These have a huge chamois. I didn't even have to sit on the saddle to realize that these wouldn't work. They might have been okay to ride in, but I couldn't stand to feel like there was a sleeping pad in my shorts...

The chamois is by far the least comfortable of any shorts or liner shorts I have. Would not buy again.

I bought M, and its tag indicates it is M size, but printed size label show it is S. After washing, I found that. What I bought is compression inner... I'll not buy zoic brand any more.

Edit: Update after 2 months and hundreds of miles.

Wear is starting to show on the mesh next to the chamois. Way more than is reasonable for this short of a time in service. Overall, I really do like them, but I'm dropping to 3 star given the issues. Might try a Large and see how that goes.

Purchased 2 pairs for an upcoming trip. My PI liners were causing some chaffing and I wanted to try something different. The pad is well placed and comfortable. So far I've put about 30-40 hours in the saddle on these shorts. Up to about 5 hrs in duration on a single ride. I was feeling the butt pain, but zero chaffing. I ordered a medium, I am almost always a Medium size, but they feel a bit small. They fit, but are a bit low-rider feeling on the hips. I suspect a Large would fit better and when these wear down a bit I'll move up a size. Sweat wicking is outstanding and build quality is quite good. Overall a very good value and short liner.

These shorts run more like a boxer brief with a 9" leg. They are perfect for us short legged guys. Excellent padding for a 4+ hour mt bike run and you don't get that sweaty diaper feeling. These shorts wick the sweat away so you never get damp. The mesh is great as you don't over heat on those 80+ days. Buying another pair

high quality, fit well

These are awesome but whats more awesome is that they are actually affordable. So many quality bike products are just over priced and these are right on the money.

I don't care one way or another. It's better than the alternative. Add a little chamois cream to these and you're set for a few hours of riding hard. I've done 20+ miles on singletrack with these on and walked away feeling fine. The fit is generous in the waist, but they're tight in the thighs. The thigh band keeps them in place, but it's designed for a someone with less mass than i carry. Maybe this keeps them from riding up. In that case, i'll take a few more pairs.

My Dad wanted a pair of bike shorts. I got these along with the Zoic Ether shorts. He liked them. Would recommend to bikers.

I bought these liners after loosing a pair of Pearl Izumi's during a cross country move. The are on par with any other liners I have had. I have only used them 4 or 5 times so far, but they will be my daily commuters going forward. I have a 32" waist and the medium fits great. They are awesome under regular shorts for cruising the city on the way to work or the bar!

Love being able to throw these on under whatever I'm wearing. They don't feel too awkward or diaper-ish, are well ventilated, and save my ass whenever I go for a ride.

Love these padded shorts! Slip 'em on, toss over a pair of baggies, and rip up your local trails without the usual irritation or uncomfortable bunching of cheaper alternatives. The chamois is pretty nice, keeping me comfortable in the saddle during longer rides and intense climbing efforts.

I just started commuting to work and these liners have been exactly what I needed. A pair of liners I can put my pants on right over top of them. This chamois has enough padding to cushion the ride so when your getting used to the saddle your not hating life.

Needed a longer liner for biking and was happy to come across these. Has handled well during all of my rides and I plan on purchasing another pair. Breaths well and flexible fit.

the liners are true liners and pretty thin with good padding.

i wear them under both baggy and more slim fit mountain bike shorts and they fit great. fit true to their size.

I got these to replace the stock ones that came in my Zoic shorts a couple of years back. They are slightly better, offering good padding for the thickness. I have done some long rides, some almost completely in the saddle, with no issues.

If you do, you better pick yourself up a pair. Gave these to my roommate so I didn't have to hear him complain anymore. He said they work great. He rides almost everyday. Doesn't think he could without these.

I have 2 Zoic Assault Liners that are just now starting to become threadbare adjacent to the chamois pad. I just reviewed my purchase history, and I bought those liners both in 2009. I ride trails 3-5 days per week, year round. Zoic's chamois position is the only one that puts the chamois where it belongs. The new liner is exactly like the old Assault liner, as advertised. The fit is perfect as always, and the pads and the elastic grippers on the bottom of the pants keep them in place for entire rides.



I wish my road bike spandex fit like these.

Zoic's stuff is always high-end.