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Add warmth and fend off unwanted hostel funk with this liner.
- Item #STS0064
- Q & A
A really expensive bit of cloth
- Familiarity: I've used it once or twice and have initial impressions
Well, what do you expect; as with every liner, this is probably the most expensive bit of cloth you will ever buy, but worth while for me.
The liner feels slightly warmer than a regular cotton sheet, however it is significantly lighter and thinner. It is non-stretchy, and the toe has a double seem (forms a box) to accommodate the hight of your feet without wasting any of the length of the liner.
I much prefer this cotton/silk blend to the pure silk liners as I find pure silk a little clingy. I would say this feels like a very fine cotton to the touch, being more matt than silk.
Regarding durability, this would not stand up to anything near what a regular cotton sheet would, however this does make it much lighter and more compact. The material is sufficiently thin that I can feel the texture of the outside of my sleeping pad, however not enough as to leave a pattern on my skin from the pad. It also does not have any kind of zip/button etc to allow you to open it up - it is a fully sewn tube, top entry only. It comes with a nice little zip bag that forms a tube that fits in slightly less than a double palm of the hand. This size will also be able to be compressed by ~30% under weight of other stuff in your pack.
I am a very hot sleeper, and will probably use this without a bag at all down to ~12-15 degrees C. After that, my light summer bag is warm enough down to 5 degrees C for me. I suspect this may add a couple of degrees to that.
In summary, its really expensive for what it is, but it's the best liner I have tried. I would like to try one of the stretchy, moisture wicking liners, but will have to wait for another time. 4 star for the product, but only giving it 3 because it really isn't worth $50.
For the pack size, this sleeping bag liner is hard to beat. I initially purchased the liner for an extra bit of warmth while camping in the cooler days of spring and fall - and it works great for that purpose. However, I also found that it works well for summer camping. When the weather is on the border of too warm for full sleeping bag coverage, but not warm enough to pull yourself entirely out of your bag, this liner is a savior! Just partially peel off your sleeping bag and let the liner help modulate your body temperature.
After writing this review I am purchasing another for my wife. Any product that makes my wife happy definitely earns five stars!
This is not a good product, just imagine the cheapest sheet that you could find in Wal-mart folded and sewn together,but paying three times what its worth.
how much thermal performance to you got...
how much thermal performance to you got from the silk/cotton liner? Your silk liner is said to add up to 10 degree F, How much for the silk/cotton blend?
I'd say it's all relative. I have the all silk liner and 10 degrees might be a little generous. You're definately going to add some warmth with this one however in my opinion, cotton doesn't insulate as well. It might feel a little better however because as one previous reviews said, the all silk version is a little clingy. All in all, I think the best use for these liners, no matter what the material is ( excluding extra insulation) is a protective barrier between you and whatever you're sleeping in. Even if it's your own sleeping bag, by using one of these you extend the life of your bag, especially if its down. And if it's a nasty hostel bed...well then no explanation is necessary. Hope this helps.
one more thing. If you scroll down to the bottom of the page. A Sea to Summit representative (Barry Roberts) discusses this very same subject.
"In the case of the woven liners (whether the Silk/Cotton blend as shown on this page, or the Premium Silk, or Cotton liners, that is the extent of the additional thermal performance they can offer, and indeed, a plus of 5� to 8� F (3� to 5�C) is realistic. The silk or silk/cotton blend liners may offer an additional performance edge in that they will wick moisture away from a sleeper, which prevents evaporative cooling. "
Some people swear by liners. I happen to think that it's largely BS. Realistic temp ratings are more like just several degrees than those stated, plus you have the constant issue of them twisting up if they're not pinned in, and hence, not doing what they're supposed to. Except for packability and weight, the absolute best extra insulation is going to be from polyester (fleece...that you're probably carrying anyhow), and the best way to use it to insulate your body is by wearing it. If you really need an extra 5-15 degrees of insulation, you chose your sleeping bag poorly for the conditions at hand. My opinion...the opinion of a cold sleeper...for whatever it's worth. Hope it helps.
I am traveling to Australia and Bali this...
I am traveling to Australia and Bali this upcoming summer. I am looking to purchase a liner for hotels/hostels and beach/hammocks. Does anyone have experiences in these activities with this liner? Also looking for feedback on side vs top opening bags. Thanks
i need a liner for my hammock. top opening...
i need a liner for my hammock. top opening seems very cumbersome. do you have any side open?
In this brand, theyre all top opening.
Does this bag have a side opening. . .or...
Does this bag have a side opening. . .or is it more like a pillow case that one would slip into?
They're all top entry...more like a pillow case.
Here's the link to STS's specs and diagrams on sizes and types-
I'm 6'7" tall, should I get the long, or...
I'm 6'7" tall, should I get the long, or the traveller with the pillow pocket? Weight is less important than comfort, and having room for my legs to move around a bit is important, too....
Both the long and traveller offer the same width, so leg comfort wont be an issue. Question is do you want to cover up a pillow as well?
No, don't need to cover up a pillow....
The long should suit your needs just fine.
How big does it fold up into?
How big does it fold up into?
Does this bag have a Pillow Pocket?
Does this bag have a Pillow Pocket?
Description:Silk/Cotton Standard (Rectangular) 73” x 36”Silk/Cotton Traveler (w/pillow case) 88” x 36”Silk/Cotton Mummy with hood 82” x 36”Silk/Cotton Long (Rectangular) 82” x 36”The only variant with a pillow pocket is the 88" x 36”.
Write your question hereHow many degrees...
Write your question hereHow many degrees do this add to a sleeping bag ?...
The average sleeping bag liner will add 10-15 degrees to your bag.
definitely less than that, maybe 5 degrees.
any liner will add some extra warmth to a sleeping bag, by virtue of the fact that it traps one more layer of air between the sleeper and the inner lining of the bag.
In the case of the woven liners (whether the Silk/Cotton blend as shown on this page, or the Premium Silk, or Cotton liners, that is the extent of the additional thermal performance they can offer, and indeed, a plus of 5° to 8° F (3° to 5°C) is realistic. The silk or silk/cotton blend liners may offer an additional performance edge in that they will wick moisture away from a sleeper, which prevents evaporative cooling.
If you want to add serious performance to a sleeping bag, we'd recommend the Sea to Summit Thermolite Reactor or Reactor Extreme, which will add up to 14°F/8°C for the Regular and 25°F/15°C for the Extreme. This performance comes from the fact that Thermolite is a hollow core fiber, and the liners have a 3-dimensional knitted structure, both of which trap air.
Please be aware, however, that the additional performance a liner can add is a function of your metabolism (whether you sleep warm or cold), of the external humidity, of the insulative value of your sleeping pad, and of the design/details of the sleeping bag itself. Given that there's no mandated standard for sleeping bag ratings, the performance claimed for *some* bags is somewhat unrealistic.
If you'd like more details, please feel free to contact me directly at firstname.lastname@example.org
Sea to Summit Consumer Relations Manager