I am training with the ski patrol here in Oregon and I have been searching for a glove that will hold up to the abuse of running sleds, checking ropelines, hauling equipment ect. while keeping my hands warm. These gloves seem like they would hold up to normal abuse for a long time, but on the second day I had them on the slopes the middle finger on one tore open. I treated them with the balm that was provided and they were waterproof for the first day, then on the second day when it was snowing I noticed near the end of the day my fingers felt wet and the leather was soaking up water. These kept my hands nice and warm as long as I was active, but got cold on the lift or if we were standing around talking about something. My hands are terminally cold on the mountain and these gloves kept my hands warmer than any other gloves I've had, though they didn't keep them warm all of the time. I'm returning these and will try my luck with the Army XCR's. Oh and the wool liner feels amazing.