I bought 1 size smaller than normally wear and the outer short fit is good. The liners fit well through the legs, however the pad is bulky and floats around like a loose diaper. The liner is also sewn in so I'll probably cut it out and use another liner. The outer short has a nice clean line and looks and feels great, but the 4 pockets are so narrow, that my small hands don't fit past the fingers, so they are practically useless for carrying GU, chapstick or anything else. Also, the zippers work rough. They still work, but not sure for how long. Oakley needs to pay attention to function.