im so sick of eric pollard going on and on about how every ski he makes is just the best on everything...well, this ski sucks on anything but steep, deep powder, but hey, thats what its for, right!?! had them out all day on variable mixed conditions--the steep bowls at the top of mt. hood were dry and fluffy and the pandoras were fantastic. tree runs with 4 ft of powder, they handled like champs. i really noticed a difference with the early rise--my boyfriend was skiing line lizzies and was having issues getting his tips out of the heavy pow. after the bowls got tracked out we headed over to the other side of the mt, which was icy and windblown....i didnt know a ski could handle so poorly--because they are so soft, any "bump" you hit, they bounce you non-stop. The other skis in my quiver--the volkl mantras just plow through anything, so I wasnt used to being tossed around. Serious, my sports bra supported A cup boobs had a sad afternoon! So then off to the groomers....SLOW, again compared to my mantras, i couldnt get these things to move. to finish off the day, over on the lower mountain it was rainy, with soft slushy snow and they handled pretty well, since the snow was so soft they could plow through--but the tree runs had crusted over snow and again, pandora hell. Conclusion: kick ass ski for steep deep powder and agile turning in the trees--I highly recommend them for anyone looking for a super soft powder ski.....absolutely horrible for anything else. Oh, Im 5'7, 135 lbs and ski the 172's (170 is my standard length, so with the early rise, these are a tad shorter than Im used to). I would also seriously consider switching out my 4fnt vct's for these as my AT skis--they really are nice and light, I think my vct's are still more versatile though, since I only have 1 AT ski.