Owning 25,000 worth of North face over 25 years doesn't make me an expert but I have owned what feels like it all. Out of my many shells this is my new one. I was attracted to the price when is fair for the technology. I normally like the 3 ply gore-tex because the old 2 layer seemed heavy and damp at times. This new north face 2 layer is nice. Pros: Nice pockets, warm, great martial and in sweet locations. 2 layer gore-tex really repels water, I feel room temp in jacket, hood is nice and the adjustment is perfect doesn't slip, nice colors with a clean look, the Adjustable cuffs are tight, the powder strap is not cheap. Cons: At my height and weight the jacket seems long (bought a medium) There is an indent around jacket like a 3 quarter length coat has, but no string to loosen or tighten. I do not like the three quarter length look seems to long, it does not feel relaxed fit. All this aside and it could just be my style, (I seem to light jackets that stop at waist) this is a solid jacket. I do not think I would take hiking or backpacking. More for skiing I believe you feel like you do not want to get it dirty lol. I have my 3 layer gore-tex for that. Which also comes down below the waist again it could be my height. Skiing this is fun and flexible enough, nice coat in a rain storm in the city to. I actually like the inside layer on this feels warmer. Ronnie Lees.