These are great shells, the quality is there, super durable, taken quite a few beginner falls skiing and snowboarding and no matter what they look brand spankin' new. The fit is VERY relaxed. I was gifted the XL, I feel like the L would be too tight so I deal with it. Proper under layering will take care of it, if you are a minimalist or like to go light this could get on your nerves. I cant think of a better pant for the price, does the job well.
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