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It takes something awfully special to improve upon Pinarello's F10. The ride quality, weight, and looks are beyond reproach and put the bike in a class of its own. We have however, become smitten since riding disc brakes on the road. The performance advantage in all-conditions cannot be argued, but we don't want to lose any of the wonderful ride feel or add an anchor to our lightweight steed. Since the Dogma F10 Disk Frameset is, well, still an F10, Pinarello ensures that we don't have to.
On the surface, it might appear that Pinarello simply adapted disc brake mounts to the existing F10 frame. This couldn't be further from the truth, since adding the mounts and reinforcing those areas would negatively effect the ride quality and take on a weight penalty. Pinarello has experience transforming their previous superbike, the F8, from rim to disc, so the exercise wasn't too foreign to them.
The F10 was already one of—if not the—favorite all-around road bike here at Competitive Cyclist, and the addition of disc brakes takes it over the top. Pinarello, already experts in asymmetric carbon layup design in drivetrain applications, now applies this technique into handling disc braking loads. This results in creating areas of the frame that are durable and completely apt at handling the disc brake stresses that they'll see without overbuilding the entire frame, adding unnecessary weight, or making the ride overly harsh. Though the frame is significantly redesigned, Pinarello continues the use of an Italian threaded bottom bracket shell, which is easier to install, maintain, and keep creak-free than the PressFit standard.
The Onda fork is also redesigned to meet the demands of disc brakes. Thru-axles are used to secure the wheel to the dropouts, increasing the stiffness and allowing for out-of-the saddle climbing efforts and sprinting with nary a brake rub. Pinarello adds fork flaps, essentially mini fairings, to the trailing edge of the dropouts to further increasing stiffness and enhance the aerodynamics. A 12mm thru-axle is also used out back to secure the rear wheel.
Like the standard F10, this bike has clearance for tires up to 25mm. This is, after all, a road racing bike, and 25mm tires offer the best balance of aero efficiency and rolling resistance. This isn't as much clearance as other disc brake drop bar bikes on the market, and many might be disappointed by the lack of space for tires, but an F10 did win Strade in 2017 piloted by Sky's Kwiatkowski on Continental Competition 25mm tubular rolling stock. We doubt the majority of you looking at this frameset have ambitions to build this into your gravel grinding rig, but the bike does have some gravel riding in its pedigree.
The beautifully balanced geometry from the F10 carries over, and it has proven itself capable enough to carry riders comfortably into the third week of a stage race yet so confident on the descents that you feel like cornering hard enough to blister a tire. The addition of discs encourage you to push your speeds downhill even more with all of that braking power available at your fingertips.
- Tour-winning superbike now with disc brakes
- Pinarello's flagship frameset for all-conditions
- Perfectly dialed race geometry is surefooted and comfortable
- Asymmetric design is lightwight and responsive
- Features Toray's top, Japanese-made carbon composite
- Aerodynamic tubes originally developed in partnership with Jaguar
- Internal routing for mechanical and electronic drivetrains
- Thru-axles anchor wheels and add stiffness
- Item #PIN004Z
- Q & A
- Familiarity: I've used it once or twice and have initial impressions
When I got to the bottom of Emigration canyon, a whirlwind of adjectives swirled through my head. Fastest, stiffest, most intuitive, most collected, best handing, most confident... The bike that had just carried me down the canyon (in record time) might have been the best I'd ever ridden.
Let's talk straight. This is not a featherweight. It's not a heavy machine by ANY means, but if you're an out and out climber, you'd probably be better suited to the Ridley Helium SLX, or the Bianchi Specialissima. My size 54 tipped the scales at 17.2 pounds with 404 NSWs, eTap, and an alloy Most cockpit. Again, that's not shabby at all, but Pinarello seems to have transcended the grams game. They just want to make wicked fast bikes with space-age tech and impeccable handling characteristics. The F10 disc is a freight train. The bike climbs incredibly well, and goes like a bat outta hell on the flats, but I was most impressed on the descents. Pinarello's ONDA layup incorporates the curves of previous Dogmas into the fork, and the rear stays, while retaining an external profile that looks a little more conventional than the 65.1. The ONDA frame design translates into consistent, predictable handling at all speeds. Paired with SRAM's wonderful Red HRD brakes, you can chuck the F10 into a corner at 20 mph, or 40 MPH, and you'll never be surprised. Unlike other super bikes, you don't have to be a professional to appreciate an F10. It's an incredibly approachable bike. Anyone can make an F10 go fast!
Sizing is a little different on Pinarello. It's not at all uncommon for people to jump 2 sizes down. Please get in touch with me directly if you have any questions!
F10 For Days.. Now With Better Braking
I wanted to write a super long review about how much I am in love with this bike... but I'll keep it short. I also didn't want to be yet another 5 Star Employee review. But this bike is so perfect I couldn't help it. This is how a bike should feel. This is what true love is. I've had the chance to ride A LOT of different bikes during my life, and none have even compared to this. This is the Ferrari of all bikes. This bike wants to go fast. No matter what wheelset or drive chain you choose, this bike moves with you. On my own build: With every pedal stroke, the bike goes with you. Rather than feeling every single pedal stroke as a challenge, this frame and drivetrain just want to go forward, the Zipp NSW 404's could have something to do with that too.. The new updated F10 is, in fact, lighter, stiffer and more compliant than the F8. Not that the F8 is inferior, but the F10 is just an overall better ride experience. Pinarello brought over a lot of aerodynamic elements from their Bolide TT bike. Less drag, more aero, lighter, faster, stiffer, comfortable, the list can go on.. what more could you really want from your race machine? I am 5'8" with a 35.5 in inseam and went with a size 53. For any questions about customization, feel free to call or email me directly.
Perfection got Better
I had previously spent a lot of time on a Dogma F8 (rim brake), which was hands down one of the best bikes I've ever ridden. The bike was plenty stiff when i stood up to stomp on the pedals, yet surprisingly compliant and smooth over rough surfaces compared to other race-caliber bikes. The most distinguishing feature of the F8 was the way it cornered during high-speed, technical descents. Whereas some other race bikes are *too stiff* that the fork would start chattering during hard cornering, the F8 stayed completely planted. Not that I ever would, but I felt like i could take my hands off the bars at 40 mph due to its stability.
Fast forward to the F10 Disk... I was able to really put this bike to the test equipped with Shimano Dura Ace 9170 Di2 at the Gran Fondo Pinarello in Treviso, Italy, which featured about 9000 feet of elevation (and subsequent descent). The F10 Disk took all the things I loved about the F8 and got disc brakes.
I'll be the first to admit i've been pretty curmudgeonly about the whole road disc movement... I consider myself a fairly capable descender and have never melted carbon rims or anything of that sort. Disc brakes will inevitably be heavier, so what gives, right? In a word, performance.
I really shocked at how much better of a descender i was on disc brakes. Whereas on a rim brake bike with carbon wheels I'd have to start braking pretty early and hold firm pressure throughout the corner to scrub speed, i found myself testing how late i could hold speed and brake going into corners due to the far superior braking power. Just as important as the actual braking power was the confidence in which I knew that it was there. Everyone has experienced that feeling while riding carbon rims that you're just not quite sure if you're going to get the braking you need. While i can't make any claims about how much faster you'll be on this bike than any other bike, I know for a fact that you'll be a faster descender on this one than your current rim brake bike. I was one of probably 20 or so riders in the Gran Fondo who had the privilege of previewing the F10 Disk early, and found myself flying past other F10 rim riders while descending. If you were waiting for a good reason to make the switch, thru axle standards have stabilized for the time being with 12x100 front and 12x142 rear so that you have the freedom to run pretty much any set of road disc wheels you choose.
Inevitably, any conversation about a Pinarello would likely come back to its seemingly exorbitant pricetag... Crazy, I know. But this bike is legitimately a pleasure to ride. I dont think I'm exaggerating when i say that this bike will make you ride more because its that much fun. If you're looking for one of the best road disc bikes on the market, you've found a very worthy candidate above.
How much does it end up weighing? (Please state the components you have the info with)
Depending on size and componentry, it'll build up to the mid 16s with Dura Ace Di2 R9170
Is there a reason why you all do not sale the 62cm size Dogma Disk framesets?
62cm is now an option to order!