Black Diamond Cyborg Pro Crampons

Turns out they are! Although you need to switch to the wide toe bails.

I cannot answer your question fully but Ill point something out since I use Cyborg Pros with mono and dual front points.



When they are in a monopoint configuration using either of the two middle slots for the frontpoint(the only likely slot options for monopoint), the front ABS plates cannot be used. There is a plastic housing for the securing bolt that spans the area where the front point is mounted on the middle slots. There may be a different ABS model that allows for middle mounted front points, if not then a little DIY modification might work(hacksaw time)...



This isnt a problem for steep ice climbing but if you plan on traveling in snow with a monopoint crampon then the Stingers are the better option compared to the Cyborgs(without modification).



I do not know if the Lynx model has the same issue as the cyborg in monopoint, I hope this helps!

You are on the right track!



These crampons for BD are the gold standard for vertical ice climbing. The dual front points in their vertical positioning makes them ideal for steeper ice routes.



In regards to using these for technical approachs ski mountaineering with AT boots - you'll be just fine! You can't really overkill it - given these are definitely HEAVIER than ski mountaineering specific aluminum crampons - BUT - these will get the job done!

Craig -



While these crampons are more specifically made for vertical ice climbing - they can be used for mountaineering - that being said they are definitely heavier and clunkier than mountaineering crampons -



For more specific mountaineering crampons from BD - have a look at the Neve ! - http://www.backcountry.com/black-diamond-neve-strap-crampons

Hey Dragisa,

Yes the Pro version will fit your boot. From personal experience the Cyborg is way over kill for mountaineering. Its more made for technical ice climbing.

I would suggest the BD Sabretooth Pro crampon. It will weigh less and still preform very well on both vertical ice and glacier travel.

ah man, that's a major bummer, just before ice season! It doesn't look like we have any more on the way at the moment. check out the Grivel G14's, pretty similar to the cyborgs: http://www.backcountry.com/grivel-g14-crampomatic-crampon?ti=UExQIENhdDo6MTo0OmJjc0NhdDgxMTEwMDEzMQ

rigid bars ...but they flex between heel and toe from the sloppy fit..

On long alpine routes the sabretooths will fill more stable. but if you going for a lot of mix/ice the cyborg is the god of the climb...
what r you going to do the MOST "long alpine routes"=sabretooths, or mix=cyborg

I haven't removed the metal strip, but you could look at potentially wrapping it with something to provide a thin layer between it and your boot. Duct tape comes to mind... and provided that it doesn't alter the fit of the front bail..could be worth a try.

The metal band makes no sense to me either. I never removed it from my Grivels but I considered doing so. I don't get what that thing is accomplishing. (If the toe bail detached from the crampon it would probably be broken so you would have bigger problems than losing it.)I now use the Newmatic style. Anyway I could see getting it off of there with a Dremel tool or a file very carefully.

These are step-in crampons. Your boots must have welts on both the toe and heel for these to work. Which TNF boots do you have?

The BD sabertooth would be a better all around crampon. It's great for glacier travel and will do vertical water ice.

Ryan is right about the Sabertooths, but they aren't really going to hold front points as well as Cyborgs will on vertical ice. Personally, I'd go with the Cyborgs if you're more serious about ice climbing.

ya that will work i think. I have ice climbed in these pros with T1 tele boots and they fit perfectly, like they were made to go together. The bill on the tele boot really keeps them snug and you can go with it for a few climbs if you aren't able to afford ice clibming boots like me, but the tele boots are really heavy

Flexibility wise the cyborg and the sabretooth are quiet the same. Most all modern crampons are semi-flexible so that wont be your problem. The realy problem when climbing in snow is that the front points are not horzontal like the sabretooth. It really should do just fine. However you might find your front points slicing through steep snow while front pointing.(They dont spread the load out like a horizontal point would) But if your on snow you should not really need to be front pointing.

Agree with David. Most all crampons are going to be stiff, but so are good mountaineering boots, so it doesn't make a difference. It's all about the front points. The BD sabertooth would be the better choice for Elbrus.

The only question to ask, is if you will be doing technical vertical ice climbing. If you are doing vertical ice climbing then you will need a crampon with vertical front points, like these, and not horizontal. Otherwise, if you are doing glacier travel then the two horizontal front point crampons are the way to go. Make sense?!

These come in one size and will fit anywhere from a 36-46. So not going to be big enough for your 48's, sorry.

They come with two points but you can easily convert it to a monopoint - and have an extra point!

Step-in, no question. More secure, easier to get in and out of - generally better. The only reason you might want the clips would be if you were planning on using the crampons with boots that aren't designed for step-in crampons, but the Mantas are, and Cyborgs really aren't the sort of crampon you would want to use with a tamer boot anyway.

Also, make sure you really want this style of crampon. This is more of a steep ice climbing piece, not a slog up rainier or shasta product.

Either will work fine with your boot. The clip type binding is more versatile in that it will fit more boots. The vertical stops at the end of a clip type binding also create a stiffer attachment to the boot than a wire bail for better sticks while climbing.

I'd disagree that the step in is more secure or easier to get in and out of.

if they do not fit as you would like, BD has Asymmetrical Center Bars that have a more pronounced curve for like 25 bucks.

Can they? I've read posts from folks saying you could use these for glacier travel, but would advise against it unless you're just taking a short hiking approach to some vertical ice. Unless you're going to be doing some substantial vertical ice climbing, I would look at the Sabretooths which are still capable of some vertical ice as well. If you won't be anywhere near vertical ice and are just looking for crampons to hike in, you can probably get away with something even lighter such as the Contacts.

They are absolutely fine for glacial hiking, but they are heavier. If you are doing short sections of near vertical ice (around 15-20 feet or so, around 50-80 degree) something like the Contact would suit your needs much better. If you are sticking mostly to big mountain with less technical terrain, I would go with the contact. I used them almost exclusively on Mt Baker and in other areas of the North Cascades.