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Standing tall as a classic big-mountain and aggressive all-mountain plank, the full-rocker, carbon-reinforced wood core Volkl Gotama Ski likes to go fast--deeps or harpack don't matter, the Gotama has it mastered.
Volkl's fully rockered ELP Rocker profile rises above deepest of snow, yet allows for phenomenal edge-to-edge contact on the hard pack
Torsion box construction makes the Gotama extremely durable and reduces swing weight for bringing around that second flip
Carbon-reinforced, full wood core provides excellent stability and creates a very lively ski.
Bottom Line: A Western classic that just gets more and more classicer-er.
interested in gotamas as a pure pow ski but looking for input.
I'm on kendos as my all mountain ride but am interested in getting a set of true pow skiis. Anyone have any thoughts on Goats vs. something like an Armada JJ for pow days?
Thanks for the question. When it comes to a recommendation for either the Volkl Gotama Ski or the Armada JJ Ski for a true pow option it will depend a bit on how and where you ski.
If you are situated where fresh snow comes at a slight minimum and you go Mach 3 speeds in most conditions, this is the only time where I can recommend the Volkl Gotama Ski.
The Armada JJ Ski will fit any other fresh snow and competency criteria and is overall a very versatile ski. The only thing it does not do as well or better than the Gotama is charge down harder snow conditions.
And hello to my Gotamas. I live out west, and can't say enough about these skis. At 5'8" 165 lbs with boots, gear and pack (5' 7" 145 without) I have 178's paired with a set of Marker Griffon schizos, and I love the setup! I bought both here on backcountry of course, at an incredible bargain price.
I was blessed with a final weekend dump of fresh powder in Tahoe between April 13-15, and was able to ride these for three days in Northstar and Heavenly off-piste, with some groomers near the bottom. I am highly impressed with the handling in all conditions, though I'd agree they do suffer somewhat when it comes to hard/hard pack or ice. For as wide a ski as they are, they are also very fun in the bumps, with the ELP rocker design really providing a level of pivoting performance previously unknown to traditionally-cambered "fat" skis. This is highly apparent in deep crud, where the tips are lifted above the mess ever so slightly, providing less resistance for turn initiation. I may put the AC50's up for sale soon; I don't see any reason to keep them around anymore other than for hardpack steeps, and though there is certainly more slippage, the Goats still feel comfortably predictable there.
I love these skis! For their intended purpose (Quiver of One, Second to None) only thing that might be able to trounce these skis in my mind are the Katanas, but it's possible the Katanas may be "too much ski" for my light frame.
Hi, I'm planning to buy a pair of this as my only and all around ski and I'm no sure which size to go with. I'm 5'10'' and weight around 140 pounds. I'm concerned the 178s will be a little too short and the 186s a bit to big. What size would you recomend?
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I had the chance to ski these last spring and was not disappointed. I had one of the first pair of Gotamas in March 03 and immediately loved them - although the Gotama no longer gets the "whoa, those are super fat!!" comments of eight years ago. The ski has had ups and downs, and I feel this version is an up. The new ski is slightly wider, 139/107/123 versus 137/106/122, and the kick of the tip and tail has been increased. This makes for a pretty quick, lively and user friendly ski - not always the terms used for a Volkl. It will probably be considered one of the more versatile all to big mountain skis out there - although that category is pretty loaded now, and it depends where you are skiing. This will be a good "fat" ski in Vermont, but will be dwarfed out west, where a wider option will serve you better on the bigger days. Although, so long as the snow is relatively soft, this will really work on groomers, powder, and even bumps. My sister in Telluride (say, bumps) has made this her everyday ski, trading last years version for this after skiing these with me at Alta last April in 16 inches, which went from light to heavy to crud, and then we skied with the kids on the groomers. Finally, the rumor was production of this shifted from China back to Germany, but I don't know that for certain.
I currently slide on Volkl The Bridge 169s and am actively looking to add to that quiver of one. I have raised my level the past couple years and these have spiked my interest. I am 5'5 150 and want to size up to the 178s. I need some advice from you fine folks, on whether or not this is a good move on my part. Should I go with the Goats 178s?
The 178cm Gotama is a great all mountain option for skiers looking to step it up and get adventurous with the conditions that they ski on. This could be up your alley if that is what you are looking to do.
The only caution is that if you are looking to jib more often that not, you may want to look elsewhere even in the 178cm size. The profile on the Gotama is not as suited for the pipe as other similarly sized skis are.
I went with 178 for an all mountain PNW setup. I mounted these +2. I'm pretty happy with that mount so far. They aren't my deep pow ski so I don't worry much about float over 6". These ski bumps pretty well, pivot quickly, carve crazy good. The tails are stiff enough landing drops is pretty forgiving. The elliptical rocker is awesome.
Typically, people "size up" with rockered skis. Would that be the same case with Volkl's Extended Low Profile (ELP) rocker? The marketing explaining ELP Rocker makes it seem like the skier gets plenty of edge contact when the ski is tipped onto its side for a turn. I'm looking to upgrade from my 180 Verdicts (old blue topsheet), but I'm hesitating on pulling the trigger due to available lengths 186 vs 194. I'm a 6'4" @ 190lbs. tele skier riding the western resorts. Thanks!
I am 6' 185 - 195ish with pack. I ski this in a 194, 2cm back from true center. This is my go to ski for AT, and I've ditched my Kendo's in favor of this on hard pack at the resorts. I upgraded from 183 Gotama's - WAY TOO SHORT. The new 194's have been perfect for me in East Coast trees and hard pack, and out in Colorado trees. Go longer - you'll be happy with the additional stability on open lines.
DON'T LET THE 107 WAIST SCARE YOU. VOLKL'S ELP technology will take you everywhere you want to go. And I mean everywhere. It will carve on the hardpack, slice variable conditions, and absolutely rip in the soft crystaline goodness. I live in the Cascade Range and this is my personal one quiver ski. Please note, however, if you're not an aggresive skier, these sticks may take you for a ride. But if you drive them with authority, they will not dissapoint.
I got to ski these last month on a decent powder day at Brundage. Since I'm normally on Kendos I had high hopes for these in the deeper powder. In the powder they had more float than anything else I've been on, almost too much float if you know what I mean. Their ability to glide into the higher lines in the trees was good, though not as good as some of the other powder skis I've been on. Maneuverability was above average in the trees. Where these skis really rocked was tracked up powder and crud. You can blow through heavy crud like almost no other ski. The big downside was getting back to the bottom at the end of the day. On trail, and not even one that was freshly groomed, just firm underneath with a light amount of pushed around snow on top these skis showed their weakness. It seemed impossible to keep them on edge. In fact they seemed to want to pry themselves over to the outside edge. In thirty plus years of skiing I've never had a pair of skis act like that. Couldn't see adding them to the rack with those kind of on trail manners.
Interesting. The goats are my 1 ski quiver in the Pacific NW, and they arc beatiful turns on hardpack, (between powder turns), everytime. Sure it's more work,(and ice is definitely a struggle), but the more I push these babies at high speeds, the more they deliver. You're right about the powder turns though. It took a few runs for me to get used to how they surf in the pow. Now I wouldn't have it any other way. I ski off-piste completely different now. You might say I hear angles singing.
I would definitely opt for a ski with at least some degree of traditional camber underfoot if touring the backcountry in order to prevent slippage while skinning (which I heard can be a problem if skinning with completely reverse cambered skis) as well as to provide greater edge grip in firm snow or icy conditions.
i just got these in 183 and there my first wide base powder ski. i was expecting them to take some getting used to on groomers and bumps. not at all. they ski just fine on the groomers and they float like a dream in powder. ive had my best days skiing on these and i couldnt be happier
I am an expert skier from the Northeast so I ski VT, NH and ME. I get out west maybe once a year and I like to bring my own setup rather than rent. That said, are the Goats a suitable "northeast ski"? I currently ski groomers on 184cm Volkl G20s from '00 and powder on Dynastar Sultans. Is it safe to say I could narrow down to a 1-ski quiver with the Goats?
If you are an expert skier and can drive a ski, you will have no trouble at all carving up the entire mountain like you're on a couple Ginsus. Not so hot in the bumps at Cannon, but they were all ice anyway.
It handles soft snow (not packed powder) and powder quite well. However, this ski was not made for the typical East coast condition: hard-packed or groomed man-made snow.
In the later case, this ski is quite skittish and suffers in overall performance versus narrower and more traditionally cambered skis.
The advert says it is a ski that handles groomers. 'Handles' being the operative word. They should really say it 'survives' hard packed conditions.
If you ask a ski shop in the East for a good quiver-of-one East coast ski, I'm sure that this baby won't be on the list.
Who wrote the ad-copy? I can't believe they said this: "yet allows for phenomenal edge-to-edge contact on the hard pack." ... WRONG. It merely 'survives' in that condition.
"Carbon-reinforced, full wood core provides excellent stability and creates a very lively ski."
It is stable, albeit in soft snow only. Moreso, it is a damp forgiving ski.
It is a smooth-flexing soft turning ski that handles powder and churned up fresh snow quite well.
In other words, get another ski, like a Rossignol Experience 88 (98 would serve as a dual East-West quiver of one ski) or a Mantra (OK for East, better for West), or the Line Prophet 90. They would all be better choices.
Yup. Volkls "ELP" fully rockered design is pretty amazing. I ski Kuros and have demoed Gotamas a couple times - to me they are more stable at speed than traditional camber skis with big sidecut, because the tips are up off the snow and don't want to dart around, but rolled on edge hold a carve well.
They're fine on hardpack, but will take a few runs to get used to.
Depending on your height, weight, and skill, the length can have a big impact on how they ski. i'm 6'3", 195, and preferred the ~195 Gotama overall, but the next size down (186?) was better in bumps, with it's slightly tighter turn radius.
Completely agree with above. Also ski VT. I was in a similar situation winter of 2010...and was torn between Goats and Mantras. I went with the Goats and have been extremely pleased with them. Awesome when I've been out west (Salt Lake), and very good here as well. Granted they're not great when it is hardpack/ice or bumps, but they are great in just about everything else. I think you'd be very happy with this choice
In my opinion yes. This is obviously a great powder ski, and will excel there. But, it became my everyday ski (albeit in Utah) because I found it so versatile. However, consider the following: You can carve on this ski, so long as the terrain is moderate and the snow is not absolutely rock hard. Once you get on a steep terrain, the ski will be skiddy, manageable, but don't expect to be laying arcs down the steeper parts of Liftline at Stowe. Of course, there has to be a trade-off somewhere. Keep the G20s for the "dry" spells, you won't get much for them anyway. I grew up in the Northeast, and skied there for many years - so, I know what you are up against, but think you will ultimately be happy with this choice.
I was somewhat skeptical at first, but I was pleasantly surprised after testing these skis out last weekend. Conditions weren't the deep pow pow I was praying for, but the skis still handled fantastic. Took them in the park as well - UBER fun and five stars.
Trying to deside between the new volkl gotama and the soloman shoguns, the gotama has metal in it and the shogun doesnt. Which one is lighter, quicker edge to edge & better in pow ? I want a ski that does it all to add to my quiver. Ive tried the shoguns and loved them, I just havent skied the new gotamas yet.
I was in the same boat last year looking to replace my cambered goats. I demoed both twice, day 1 hardpack day 2 6" of fresh. The gotama is better in pow and is easy to pivot thru bumps and trees but the full reverse camber just doesn't seem right for an every day ski. Both are very stable and the shogun has more pop and liveliness. More camber in the shogun felt better for the groomers and stability in crud. They both like long turns and prefer higher speed. Another ski to consider is the liberty helix which I wasn't able to demo late in the season. I tried the 178 gotama and bought 182 shoguns. Both were the right length for me 5'9" & 170.
I would say the shogun is better on groomers and is lighter weight. while i do love the gotama, the shogun really is a better all mountain ski. The shogun has a nice feel on groomers but the gotoma has gotten more pow oriented over the years. I'd check out the sidstash for another option. Remember generally, the further you move away from 100mm the ski tends to not perform as well on hardpack. The shogun is better edge to edge, lighter weight but which is better in pow? that can be debatable. You really cant go wrong with either ski but the shogun tends to be more fun and rail better on the packed.
I had the chance to ski these last spring and was not disappointed. I had one of the first pair of Gotamas in March 03 and immediately loved them - although more...