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Yes, the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Sleeping pad packs down the size of a one-liter water bottle, and the regular size weighs a scant 14 ounces. But what sets the NeoAir apart from other non-insulated pads is its ability to keep you cozy on winter trips. A reflective barrier reduces ground heat-loss and returns warmth to your body. The fact that there isn’t down or synthetic insulation means you can blow this mattress up without a heavy pump, and without worrying that exhaled moisture will ruin the interior.
Bottom Line: Warmth without high-maintenance insulation.
I am really happy to find this item. It's much lighter than my old pad, much smaller and way more comfortable. Not often you can improve in so many aspects of a product. Wish I had found it sooner. I was skeptical about it's durability, but with over two weeks of backcountry use there have been no issues. Well worth the price if weight is a concern.
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Respectfully, I wish people would put a little thought into how difficult it is too watch a movie that bounces all over the place. If people don't want to take the time to at least keep the camera steady... don't bother with the video. No offense intended -- the information may be helpful, but at least try to make a nice video.
Thanks for posting a video, not everyone can be a professional videographer and the videos add a nice perspective regardless of the quality. let the haters hate, they obviously have nothing better to do.
So far this pad has been amazing! Light as a feather and comfortable as all get up. I make sure to not over inflate it and it gives to make for a very comfortable sleep that works over lumps and rocks. I have been using a thin pad underneath that protects it from rocks as I am sketched out about punctures. I got the Large and would get the Medium if doing over. This is because it takes a long time to blow up and is a challenge to fold up. I keep it folded in thirds, as it comes from the manufacturer, and this seems to be the best way to store it. I would like to know if it can handle being used directly on stones but don't want to deal with punctures if it blows, so will keep using my super thin foam pad to keep the NeoAir off the stones. I used it nightly for two weeks on a glacier in Alaska and then again on a four day ski tour in the Wind River Mountains as well as several nights car camping with my son, and I sleep great with the NeoAir.
Bottom line...an amazingly light and comfortable sleeping pad that I highly recommend. If camping on sharp stones, I recommend bringing something to insulate the pad from the stones. A tent floor will probably suffice. I have been using the floorless Black Diamond MegaLite Tent...
I have been using thermarests for about 18 years. For me, the lighter the better, and I don't expect to be literally "bed style comfortable." I haven't tried any new ones for a few years, but I got this one because it was far lighter and smaller when deflated than the old ultralight ones I had. I am truly shocked at how comfortable it is. It inflates to be extremely thick and uniformly supportive, which I haven't experienced before in an inflatable pad. In the past, they have all been much thinner, especially in the ultra lightweight models, and I have always found the thicker ones to be kind of mushy and swimming-pool-air-mattress-like, if that makes sense. I am actually equally comfortable on this as my home mattress, and I can't get over how firm and supportive the baffles are. I feel like the technology has really gotten there. I think this pad is worth investing in, if you are considering upgrading.
This is probably not a good idea for sleeping on wooden planks (AT shelters), no? I am thinking the Pro-lite would be a better choice, it has a higher r-value and although 1.5' thick vs. 2.5', it is much more resistant to puncturing. Any suggestions, confirmations?
Just don't sleep directly on the wood (put down a groundsheet of tyvek) and you'll be fine. The shelters have pretty worn floors, there aren't a lot of splinters.
Ill preface this review with my cut and paste statement that I work as a backcountry backpacking guide in Yosemite National Park. Nearly all of the products I take the time to review have seen at least a half a season, if not more, of use... and Im committed to not bothering to write a review until I feel like Ive really gotten to know a product. I never thought Id bother to write reviews, but Ive recently decided that since Ive spent so much time over these last many years reading reviews, and finding a tremendous amount of value in articulate and well-informed opinions, that I wanted to give back to the community. So, with that being said, here we go...
My NeoAir has seen a lot of use. And not just normal wear and tear, but it sees a lot of Sierra granite. I've never had a leak of any sort. I keep the patch kit in my stuff sack for it, but have yet to use it. Granted, I'm not using it as a sit pad on bare granite, nor do I take it surfing on Tenaya Lake. I treat it with care, and its served me well in return.
It is incredibly light, packs down nearly to the size of one liter bottle of Coke, and is very, very comfortable to sleep on. Also, though its well known and marked on the package, the r rating for insulation on this pad is very low. It essentially offers no insulation value. However, I've slept with this and my Western Mountaineering Versalite (a 10 degree bag) down to the low 20s and been just fine.
The complaints about the noise it makes are not problematic for me. Sure, it makes a little noise when you're moving around, but its not like you're sleeping on a bag of broken potato chips. I have no problem with slipping off of it either. The only minor quibble is that since it lacks any insulation it will initially 'deflate' once the breath you've blown into it cools. My formula is this - pitch my tent, inflate the NeoAir, throw my bag on it, and the get dinner or hors d'oeuvres going, then come back in an hour and top it off so its nice and tight. If you like it a little soft its easy to tweak via the valve for just the right amount of cushion. I've turned a few friends onto this pad, and all of them love it, and none of them have had leaks.
All in all its as good as sleeping pads gets. Sadly, it looks like Thermarest has moved on to another design thatis a bit heavier. Maybe I'll find out if the few extra ounces are an improvement once this old faithful kicks the can, but I'm hoping that's a long way off.
This pad is a great blend of features that are important to most. EXCELLENT comfort, EXCELLENT weight and pack-ability, FAIR on insulation. The only downside to this pad is how loud it is. It sounds like you are sleeping in a bag of jiffy pop popcorn.
I gotta give my love for the NeoAir, cause well, I do, a lot! It was one of the very best purchases I made last year, and I will do it again if need be.
The horizontal baffles are much more comfortable than the vertical baffles. When I lay on my NeoAir I dont feel like I am laying on a pool toy, like I do when I lay on my Exped SynMat 7. (But hey, thats me and not everyone will feel the same )
I have had no issues with crinkly noise, nor has anybody else that has been hiking with me, or any of the other hikers that I bunked with in the shelters.
My thoughts on durability: Its an air pad. I take that into consideration when I use it. I try to clear the area of sharp pointy things, same as I do with ANY air pad. However, they do make a repair kit for it if something were to happen, just like they do for the rest of them (and it is in my kit) If I need to carelessly throw my pad on the ground and plop down on it, I will use a ccf pad. Otherwise, I have no reason to cry about how the air pad wasnt durable enough since I didnt treat it the way it is supposed to be treated, same as with any other air pad.
R-Value. It is listed at 2.5. What does that mean to me? Well, I dont know. What I do know is that I can use my NeoAir with a 1/8 inch Thinlight pad and be fine to right around single digits. If I want to go out in colder temps, I will use a 1/4 inch pad, maybe even with the 1/8 inch pad if needed.
Weight. My regular size NeoAir weighs 13.8 oz. It measures 20 x 72 x 2.5 inches. I splurged rather than using a small (short) pad and trying to make my empty pack work under my legs. And it still weighs less than most other pads out there, especially this size. Plus it packs down to the size of a 1L Nalgene, so I have plenty of room for my other tiny stuff to fit in my pack
As well, I appreciate that the bottom of the NeoAir is tacky feeling. That means it slides around less in my tents (especially those with sil floors) than my other pads.
It takes me approximately 18 breaths to inflate, so no big deal (for me). Deflating it is even easier, just unscrew the valve while I am laying on it in the morning, just before I get up. About 15 20 seconds later it is almost flat.
Also, the insulation is really only a mylar sheet. So, I dont have to worry about long-term deterioration of a synthetic or down insulation inside the pad. As well, I dont have to worry about the moisture from my breath damaging that insulation.
I can say some bad things about the pad though. It didnt come with a stuff sack (which means I can save half an oz by using a rubber band, if I choose).
It also didnt come with a repair kit. That one was the real bummer. A repair kit is essential to have with ANY air pad. So, I had to look around to get the appropriate repair kit. It cost me $10 (I think).
During the summer, I have to take more care with it as far as leaving it inflated. In the heat, the air will expand and if the NeoAir is left inflated it will ruin the internal baffles by blowing them apart. So, if I am base camping, I have to remember not to leave the pad inflated during the day. However, during the day I am usually hiking to my next destination anyway.
So, as may be seen, the regular NeoAir is a winner for me. I really dont think I could have a better sleeping pad while on the trail. Even the newer versions coming out
As for the Trekker, the only advantage I see is that it is thicker skinned. However, since I try to clear my area of pointy objects first, that doesnt really seem to be an improvement over the regular NeoAir (to me). And like I said, I do have the repair kit just in case I miss something. I try to remember that even the thick-skinned Trekker can pop out there too. So, the thick skin manages to add a few extra ozs, but somehow lower the R-Value honestly, it doesnt make a lot of sense to me so it only seems right that it is a few $$$ cheaper than the regular NeoAir. Doesnt the rule go something like this: The lighter things get, usually, the more $$$ they cost
Now, the NeoAir All-Season pad may be a nice addition though. It is a few ozs heavier, but it promises twice the R-Value of the regular version, plus has a thicker skin. And to top it off, it does come with a repair kit, and for good measure they even throw in a stuff sack that doubles as a pump. For me, I could see this working as a nice 4th season pad (remember, I am in the Southeast). However, about 80 90% of the time, it would still be overkill, both in weight as well as in R-Value.
So, I hope that this helps to answer anyones (potential) questions. I would like to make one thing clear though. I am not trying to push the NeoAir as being the best air pad out there. However, I do feel like it is the best for me. Everyone has different issues, concerns and needs and we are all built different so we experience life (and everything within it) a little different than the next...
izzy, there is a NeoAir All Season. The R-Value is 4.9, weighs 19 oz., 72L x 20W x 2.5 " in thickness, 8 x 4.75 packed size, 75d Polyester top, 70d Nylon bottom, and the color is what Cascade Designs calls columbia/griffin for the regular. The original NeoAir has an R-Value of 2.5, weighs 14 oz., is also 72L x 20W x 2.5 " in thickness, 9 x 4 packed size, 30d Nylon on top and bottom. Color is Limon.
It does appear however, the regular NeoAir will be replaced with the NeoAir XLite and it looks like Cascade Designs will offer it WITH a SS AND repair kit. Check it out.
I've used a Z-rest for as long as I can remember, and I've been very happy with it.
But eventually I wanted to try for more comfort and a more compact pad when stored. I've now been spoiled by the comfort of NeoAir. I went with the large after trying the regular (I'm 71"). It is well worth the few extra ounces and dollars.
Yes, I do hate the time it takes to air up and down, but resting after a 6-15 mile hike... You just can't beat this comfort.
Been using this sick for the whole summer now. I have been using a large for an ultra pad. It replaced my Prolite 4 regular. It weighs less, and inch thicker, compresses smaller, 5 inches wider, 5 inches longer and way more comfortable. There is nothing out there that is this light and comfortable. I would venture to say that this is the great pad for backpacking ever made.
The only down side is that it is not self inflating. I can blow it up in about 20 breaths.
I'm looking at the therm a rest prolite plus and the NeoAir Sleeping Pads. At the present time we are car to the camp site family so weight is not a big issue. Other than price what are the differences?
If weight is no issue, you can find a much cheaper mattress out there that will suffice in both warmth and comfort. The Neo Air is meant to serve backpacking enthusiasts with the lightest most comfortable pad Thermarest can off. The differences you will find are thickness and insulative quality. While the Prolite has more foam for insulation, it is also much thinner and therefore less comfortable. The Neo is a true air matress with a thin layer of insulation laminated to the interior wall for added warmth. Check the warmth rating and go try them out in a store. I'll bet you will find the Neo to be the most comfortable matress out there.
this is by far my favorite thing to sleep on!! i sleep on this more than my bed because it's MUCH more comfy!! costs as much as a mattress... BUT it's well worth it because you can take this one with you anywhere!!! youre for sure not to leave this guy at the campsite due to the bright color (thank you thermarest) and i've aired it up in 18 big breaths before! wore out my lungs but was very quick to fill! the insulation is fantastic, it helps you retain so much heat while sleeping or using it as a bench to play cards with your buddies! easy to roll up and store which is my number one pet peeve with sleeping pads, they nailed it. i always suck out whatever little air is left in the mattress to make sure it gets down to the tiniest form possible! i stole one of my girlfriends hairbands and use it to wrap around and store! it's the size of a .5L camelback and can be packed anywhere in a pack, just be careful for the airvalve, you don't want it to break off:/
so pretty much buy it already, quality quality quality! you won't wake up sore in the morning with this guy, i promise!
The lightest most comfortable pad on the market. Don't be confused by other companies attempts at this pad - the competitors weigh more or have a lower R value, so it makes sense that they are cheaper. Cascade Designs always makes top of the line products and have a great warranty. If you want the best sleeping pad on the market, this is it.
I couldn't find exact details on the R value since both sites list a range of 2-4, but both pads are definitely cheaper. With regards to weight, the 72" x 20" x 2.5" pads all way approximatley 14oz. The mummy shaped POE and Kooka Bay pads do weigh less, but are not as big as the rectangular equivalent. Good points though, I'd love to learn more about the other pads. How do you like your pad?
Except the POE Ether Elite 6 and the many pads that Kooka Bay make... Both are cheaper and warmer, and in the case of the Kooka Bay pad quite a bit lighter! Still, the NeoAir is a very nice pad!
4 Stars cause it costs more than spending a night in a 4 star hotel.
With that said, I love this thing. Definitely the most comfortable I have been sleeping outside. I didn't slide around on it at all, in fact it made rolling around in my sleeping bag a little more challenging. I had no issues with being cold down to 35 deg. I haven't gone colder than that with it yet, not sure I'd' want to go too much cooler without adding something else underneath.
Blowing it up isn't too bad. There is one thing to be aware of though, some people have complained that this thing leaks, or deflates on its own. This is wrong, to debunk this - little science lesson coming up... PV=nRT (That's pressure x Volume = moles x constant R x Temperature) Don't worry about n & R they're constants. So Basically Pressure x Volume = Temperature. What that also means is that PV/T = PV/T in the same closed container at two different temperatures, obviously. So basically, what I'm getting at is the air you're putting into this thing is 98 degrees. Let it sit out at camp for a while before you go to bed and it's going to cool off. Pressure inside isn't going to change, but you better believe the filled volume is. Based on the geometry of this thing, it's about 3000 cu in. So if you fill it up with 98 degree air, and then let it cool to say, 60 degrees, it's only going to be about 1800 cu inches - yeah, it'll look like it lost 40% of its air!
Some of you may have followed that, some peoples eyes may have glossed over reading it, but if it made sense to 1 person I'm happy. Hope it helps.All in all this thing is awesome and I recommend it if you can afford to spend all that money on it. You just might have to top it off with a little more air before you go to bed.
**Since there's been a few comments and my memory of the ideal gas law was a bit rusty... Temperature must be expressed in Kelvin, so 98.6 deg Fahrenheit = 310K and 60 deg Fahrenheit = 288K. What this means is that the bag will look like it lost 7% of it's air, not 40% (that did seem like an awful lot). Obviously the colder it gets, the more air it will seem to have lost. At 0 deg Fahrenheit it will have "lost" 18% of it's air.**
"In a closed system, where air molecules cannot enter or leave, as the temperature increases and decreases, the pressure will increase and decrease respectively. You will not lose any air unless there is a leak. As it gets colder the air simply contracts, reducing the pressure inside the mattress."
The pressure will be constant while you're lying on the mattress as long as you're not resting directly on the ground. If the area of your body doesn't change and your weight doesn't change then as long as the mattress keeps you off the ground it will be exerting the same psi (weight/area) on you which corresponds to psi of internal pressure (I should probably be using Pascals). Since pressure is held constant, volume varies with temperature.
Someone suggested only a place like the Mojave would have temp swings of more than 15-30%. I live in KS where it is very typical to have highs in the upper 90z, even 100 then drop to the 60z at night. So such temperature changes occur in more places than you would imagine.
Brad - you asked where I camp that it starts at 98 degrees and drops to 60 degrees overnight. No where. But I use my lungs to blow this thing up, and the air that comes out of me is 98 degrees. So it's always going to start at 98 degrees and drop to whatever the ambient air temperature (or temperature in the tent) happens to be. Hope that makes a little more sense.
Kretzky: where do you camp that it's 98F when you set up camp, and then it drops to 60 overnight?! Must be the Mojave Desert. Few places would be that extreme. A 15-30 deg. swing would be more typical. I recently used the NeoAir with a 20-deg swing of outdoor ambient, but I doubt it was that great a range inside (warmer overall), and especially with my bag and body atop the pad as the outside temp. cooled to the upper 30s. Seemed like the pad lost a greater % of its air than your equation would have predicted. I'm not convinced that it doesn't leak a little.
You say the pressure inside the mattress isn't going to change as the temperature cools off. But it will decrease.
RickP,
In a closed system, where air molecules cannot enter or leave, as the temperature increases and decreases, the pressure will increase and decrease respectively. You will not lose any air unless there is a leak. As it gets colder the air simply contracts, reducing the pressure inside the mattress.
I may be wrong since it has been a few years since I took college chemistry, but shouldn't the equation use kelvin temps instead of fahrenheit? Just doing the math real quick in my head makes me think that, by using degrees F, the ratios will be skewed enough to give you a much more pronounced pressure/volume loss.
You guys commenting that the thing might implode had better hope it does not do that too violently. Enough of an implosion might cause the formation of a black hole, which could suck up the earth, and then you would not have the opportunity to review other gear, unless you figured out a way to get the reviews back out past the event horizon! So don't let any extremely heavy people sleep on it. Marmot from Thailand
Great application of thermodynamics to explain a common misconception. The ideal gas law can explain slight volume changes in normal sleeping pads as well if the pad is allowed to fill and closed during the day. The night temperatures will cause the volume of the air to decrease.
Sorry! You had to get me started. Below 0 and it becomes a vacuum. Far enough below 0 and I guess it implodes, then you still freeze your ass off, because you end up sleeping on the ground.
Almost, but not quite... For your calculations, the temperature should be on an absolute scale, e.g. Kelvin. 98 Fahrenheit and 60 Fahrenheit are 309 and 288 respectively on the Kelvin scale. So, the volume is reduced to 288/309 = 93% of the original volume when you lower the temperature from 90 to 68. I.e, you lose 7% of the air. (If you really could use Fahrenheit temperatures, what would happen to the calculation when the temp dropped below 0?)
A little update to this review. My neoair had it's first sub-freezing experience this weekend. Temps dropped into the low twenties overnight. When I got up in the morning I could definitely feel the coolness from the ground working up through the pad. I'd say anything below 30 deg F - add a Z-lite pad underneath this to keep yourself insulated from the ground.
I'm looking at the therm a rest prolite plus and the NeoAir Sleeping Pads. At the present time we are car to the camp site family so weight is not a big issue. Other than price what are the differences?
The neoair is an ultralight pad, I would not recommend it for car camping. The material is very lightweight and I'm affraid of a puncture. I've used the prolite plus and like its ease of use, warmth, comfort\ weight ratio very much. If weight is not an issue the trail pro is a good pad also. Hope that helped.
Great until your butt touches the ground at 3:00am. Mine leaked. I got it from REI due to a gift card for Christmas and I hope to take it back but not likely to get a replacement like BackCountry... It is an air mattress and I kind of expected it to leak but have only had it about 6 months and used it less than 5 times. I am pretty careful with it and have always used a sheet of tyvek under it.
Return it to REI or send it in to Cascade Designs. There are a lot of NeoAirs with delamination problems. In these cases, the problem isn't a puncture, but that air is leaking out of a seam. If the problem is related to this, CD will send you a new one, no questions asked. If the NeoAir is leaking because of small hole, they will consider it your fault but repair or replace it for a $20 fee. Sort of the price you pay for having such overengineered bit of lightweight gear.
If you want to avoid the change in pressure from the temp differential between your lungs and ambient, make sure to top it off an hour or two after initially inflating it. You can also use a pump to fill it- I use a simple pump out of garbage bag and rubber band on backpacking trips, fills a pad like the NeoAir in 1-3 bag fulls of air.
swap it out for a new one. It has a lifetime warrantee. there is always some pressure decline since you fill it with warm air from your lungs and overnight the pressure drops but if it's leaking it will be replaced no charge. Remember tires drop 1psi for each 10 degrees.
REI replaced at no cost. I have been using the new one for about 6 months now. Still careful. Sounds like mine would have been delam as i put it in a hot tub of 70 degree water for 20 minutes could not find even a pin hole anywhere. As I said in the original, I am pretty careful with my gear. Still happy with everything but price but sleeping through the night is worth it.
REI has a 100% satisfaction guarantee. In all the years I have been shopping with them, they have never questioned any of my returns. That policy, just like the one here at BC, is why I pretty much buy all my gear from those two places. Outfits like Sport Chalet won't take anything back after you have clipped the tags off, which just doesn't work for outdoor gear. There is no way to know if something is going to work until it's field tested, at least in my opinion...
i try not to flex inflatables. i feel like it puts stress on seams that werent meant for that. i have always used closed cell foam pads for chairs because there is no chance of them popping. if a closed cell rips or gets punctured, it will still function. no so with an inflatable.
that is not to say that you couldnt do it, that's just not really what its meant for. there may be people out there doing that, just not me.
I've used this NeoAir mattress for the last few years and it's been great to be able to cut down on weight and increase comfort. My girlfriend recently picked one of these up and hers came with a small patch kit (which mine didn't, but thankfully I haven't had to patch anything up!).
Be sure you have a nice, fluffy pillow with this pad -- without one, it's pretty easy to sleep with your back out of alignment and wake up sore the next day.
I've used this NeoAir mattress for the last few years and it's been great to be able to cut down on weight and increase comfort. My girlfriend recently picked one of these up and hers came with a small patch kit (which mine didn't, but thankfully I haven't had to patch anything up!).
Be sure you have a nice, fluffy pillow with this pad -- without one, it's pretty easy to sleep with your back out of alignment and wake up sore the next day.
I have used this pad on three ski trips now....And so far it has been working great,this pad packs very small leaving much more rooom in my ski pack,It has enabled me to ski with a smaller ski pack on two or three day ski tours....In moderate winter temeratures this pad has been warm enough,when using the apropriate sleeping bag....I still need to get the repair kit just in case on longer trips....
This pad truly is amazing. I converted to it from a 1.5 self inflating REI pad, that while warm, was the traditional 18inx7in size that those types of pads are. Getting a NeoAir was the best choice I've ever made in regards to sleeping on the mountains.
Size, small...really small, it's not joking about the 1 liter bottle size, before rolling I actually suck whatever air I can back out, then close the valve to make sure I can get it as small as it's intended to go. While it doesn't come with a stuff sack, you probably won't need one, it's small enough to fit into any free crevase in your bag.
Weight, less that a lb, you won't feel it. This is a pretty big weight loss on the bag if you are moving from a self inflating like I did, as those are usually around the 2lb mark.
Durability, I've had it in the tent, I've had it in the sand in korea, the rock banks of the arkansas river in colorado, the bare peaks of the san isabel range, no holes to speak of so far, 2 years and around 40 camps, pad looks great.
Warmth, most will agree the pad is warm to freezing 32F, but there is some controversy in reviews on the 0-30F range. So I can only put my experience. I personally have been comfortable on this pad in -5F, that was with the pad full inflated, in a -20 down bag, inside a Nemo Moki (expedition) tent. I was perfectly toasty. The coldest I've had the pad on the bare ground the temp was around 30F and I was in a 20F bag and I was warm. Keep in mind if you are the kind of personal to slightly underinflate the bag so it comforms more to your body then you are losing insulation as you are decreasing the distance between yourself and the ground. Best tip, if it's cold, have it fully inflated, and have a bag rated 15-30 degree below the air temp. Everything after that is trial and your own personal taste.
I don't mind blowing it up, it only takes me about 20 second of hyperventilation or 1-2 minutes of casual breathing.
Best pad I've ever had, and I doubt I'll move on to anything else anytime soon.
I wrote another review on here about my first one that leaked after a while. I did get a replacement from REI but still go to BackCountry first (if I am not in a rush). The new pad is leak free so far. I have logged at least 30 trail days and several hundred miles with this pad and would not trade it. Light and thick. Just too dang expensive. Come on therma rest... give us a break :)
This pad is comfortable. I will give Therm-a-rest that. The price is way too high and they should be embarrased charging additional for the stuff sack. That said the only other suggestion I can muster is that they should make a 25 inch wide by 45-60 inch long version. Less weight and less time to inflate. I just hope she holds up to abuse. I also agree with one of the other users and slept in the back bed of a pick up at about 25 degrees and it was not holding the cold at bay. I usually keep an old peice of therm-a-rest pad cut down to about 20"x30" to sit on, kneel on, wave at the fire...etc. and I put this under my core. That helps!!!
which would you recommend neair sleeping pad or trekker? same comfort level? i am 6ft but side sleeper so i dont think i need the length. is the small just as wide as the long or medium?
i noticed that the trekker is not insulated, i do some cold weather camping but not too much. is it still worth it? thanks, mike
At 6'2'' The regular is perfect length for me to keep my head on the pad and not hang off the end. It provides great comfort even when sleeping on your side on a rocky river bank. Just another great product form cascade design!
This is by far the most comfortable sleeping pad that I have ever used. The only reason I don't give it five stars is because after several months of heavy use, I woke up in the middle of the night to it mostly deflated. After that trip I tried finding a leak to patch with no success and ended up exchanging the pad. No problems with the new one. Did not have a problem inflating this pad whether it was after a long day climbing or 15 miles of hiking. I was skeptical about the life expectancy with the thin material, but we will see how the second pad holds up.
Got this sleeping pad a few months ago and I really like it. I have used it backpacking a couple of times, and I slept on it for a couple of weeks while I did not have a mattress.
PROS: Extremely light. I have the regular, which weighs as much as my old Z-Rest, but is much more comfortable! Holds air well - During the two weeks that I slept on it nightly, it never required re-inflation. Small!!! This thing can be rolled down to the size of a 32 oz. Nalgene. Remarkable really.
CONS: Makes a strange crinkly noise when it is moved. No big deal though, I usually fall asleep faster when I'm not moving around anyways. Can be a bit of a chore to roll up. The stuff sack (purchased separately) is somewhat difficult to use unless it is folded just so. Maybe I'm doing it wrong? Either way, a great bypass/money saving alternative to the stuff sac would probably just be rubber bands and a zip-loc (for protection).
OTHER: Takes me less than 30 breaths to get this to where I like it. I guess that's pretty good, but I can offer no comparison to other sleeping pads.
Overall, this is a definite upgrade from the Z-Rest and it is awesome to see companies continuing to make smaller and lighter products. Honestly, I'm not too worried about the durability - it may look fragile, but I'm thinking it can handle a lot of abuse. Amazingly comfortable and light - I'm giving it 5 stars.
The large is actually 77x25", not 77x20". The width of this tent is 49", 2 size large pads in here would be 50" width, so 2 large pads might be a little wide. I would go with 2 size regular pads.
So this new sleeping pad from Thermarest is killer. It packs up super small and it's very light. It is also thick enough (about 3 inches) to sleep on your side. I usually sleep on my side and other sleeping pads have been tough on the shoulders due to a lack in thickness (unless you have a heavier insulated pad). I recommend this pad for those who are weight and size-conscious toward their gear...and if you are a side-sleeper like me. I have yet to use it in the winter, but I'm looking forward to it for sure.
I will start with the two things that probably keep most people from buying this pad: cost and noise. There is some sticker shock, but the benefits are worth it. Second, for some reason it sounds like a potato chip bag in the store, but once you are on it outside, the sound isn't bad at all. My wife and I were heading to Joshua Tree in Jan. '11, so I bought a Neo for warmth to replace my short ThermaRest. I slept on it the first night, and my wife slept on our ThermaRest Prolite Plus. I was comfy, the next morning she said her hips hurt. The second night she took the Neo and somehow the Prolite had developed a leak, so I spent the night basically on the ground. My wife loved the Neo, saying that this was the first pad she could sleep on her side comfortably on. When we headed back to the gear shop, instead of the couple dollar patch, I bought a second Neo. Its smaller, lighter, way more comfy than any other pad I have used, and somehow is durable. Great product, you won't go back to other pads.
If you are going to compare sizes then you might want to compare apples to apples so to speak. In other words, post a pic of the Exped Synmat UL 7 next to the NeoAir. I think you will find that the size difference is negligible. If fact, you might be able to actually stuff one inside a Nalgene bottle. Maybe, maybe not, but it's so close in size as to make me think about it.
It took some convincing for me to pull the trigger and buy this sleeping pad becuase of the $$. However, it was worth it! Light, warm, most comfortable, and packs super small. It is a huge plus over any other sleeping pad out there. The only downside is the price but this isn't for the value minded backpacker. I've heard rumours of a 2011 neoair that uses a less heat reflective material but knocks about $40 bucks off of the price. I love my neo air and all of the jealous looks i get from friends trying to go lite with the z lite or prolite.
Hey how warm is this pad? I will be in both extremely hot temps and winter months and just looking for a pad that would be lightweight yet also warm/cool enough for the appropriate temps.
This neoair is good for warm temperatures, but isn't designed to keep you warm in cold winter months. You want the neoair All-season. It is more suitable for your situation.
It's good in the cold, and and hot. The only think to keep in mind for warm weather pads is that the cold weather pads have insulation, so the warm weather pads will be lighter as they lack the added insulation.
Weight issues brought me to it. I use this with my sleeping bag during Winter...Bag does not slide off during the night. The rest of the year I use the down comforter and fitted sheet. Totally cool, er, warm. Thermarest comforter is rated to 40 degrees...using the NeoAir, I have slept in 35 degree temps (in my tent), stayed warm all night. I love it. No issues with durability in two seasons of use (sixteen trips). I set this up when making camp, then 'top it off' with a few more breaths of air before sleep. Stays comfy all night.
What do i do with all the extra space left in my pack now that I hace chucked away my old sleeping pad? The reason why I don't give it five out of five is because it still has some way to go before it insulates good enough when sleeping directly on snow. Anyway It still saves weight and space. Get one! (I used the the extra space for chocolate in case you wondered)
The NeoAir is not meant to be used directly on snow, although many people (myself included) does so. The Neo has an R-Value of 2.5, which equals out to don't use this in anything less than about 40 F. Saying this, I do not understand why you rated it lower when you are trying to use if for something it was not designed to be used for, and then blame it's short comings on the design. I wouldn't rate a 40 F bag poorly because it will not keep me warm in 0 F temperatures.
What kind of single person screen tent is in the picture of the NeoAir Sleeping Pad. It's green, and I haven't seen anything like it. I'd like to use it for a shield for those black biting flies when I want to. :)
There are 14 "guru photos" and it's the last photo to the right. Thanks for any help.
I can't pin it down exactly- the color isn't registering, but it looks quite similar to the Golite Shangri-La 1 Nest (item# GOL 0435). Even if that's not it, very similar in look and function. Hope that helps.
I just spent 8 days & nights winter camping. Night temp. -30, day temp. -20. The NeoAir worked great. The pad was comfortable,easy to blow up & it kept me warm. Not once did I get cold from underneath me, not even at-30. I did put a hole in it, but it was very easy to fix. This is an excellent pad for winter camping. Eric Boehmler , Alaska.
Received the large version as a Christmas present this year and it's very impressive. I find the cross-chambers to be better supporting of my body than my old Big Agnes pad. As long as you don't intend to use this in cold temperatures you'll be fine. If you want to extend use into 4 season situations try and closed cell foam pad (maybe 1/4 inch or 3/8 inch) underneath for additional r-value. If you're sleeping in shelters, consider a piece of tyvek to go under the pad to keep it safe from nail heads or splinters.
If you are going to compare sizes then you might want to compare apples to apples so to speak. In other words, post a pic of the Exped Synmat UL 7 next to the NeoAir. I think you will find that the size difference is negligible. If fact, you might be able to actually stuff one inside a Nalgene bottle. Maybe, maybe not, but it's so close in size as to make me think about it.
This is hands down the best outdoors gear related purchase I've made in easily a few years. Going from a 13 year old Thermarest Guidelite to the Neo air has saved me so much weight and space that it still blows me away every time I pack this thing into my bag. This is hands down the most comfortable sleeping pad I've ever spent time on. I'm generally a side sleeper and the Neo air is by far the best option I've come across that allows me to sleep in my natural state in terms of comfort, packability, and weight. It feels a bit fragile at first, but it's actually quite durable. As far as warmth, I've never had a problem with it on snow or in the cold. I've used it on snow at altitude many times (coldest being close to 0F) and haven't noticed the need for a second closed cell pad to increase insulation. Maybe I just sleep warm, or maybe my bag is bomber, but I'd bet that you won't need a closed cell pad to use with this unless you're in some pretty extremely cold conditions. While it is a bit pricey, I've never once regretted spending the extra money. If you have an older thermarest type pad, are just using closed cells, and/or are a side sleeper and you're in the market for a new pad, the Neo Air should definitely be something to consider. Try it out at a store and I guarantee you'll fall in love with it.
I am considering replacing my 1.5 lb thermarest with this to save weight. The review says it requires no heavy pump, but does than mean no pump or no heavy pump? . I do not want the weight or voume of a pump. Can I blow it up like my current Thermarest? Is there another better lighter altenative?
I love this pad, it's nice and thick which makes side sleeping tolerable on crap ground. Bonus- it's really lightweight. I have owned this pad for a couple of years and have no patches in it with many good nights sleep. The only downside is how noisy the pad is when you move around. But buy some earplugs, my sleeping bag is noisy too. Isn't yours?
Yes Big Agnes owners, the Large will NOT fit in your bag, BUT all the smaller ones WILL!
Weight/R-Value you won't find anything better. If you're a once a year camper, don't buy this, if you're a avid backpacker or year around camper. This is one of the best investments you'll make.
Received the large version as a Christmas present this year and it's very impressive. I find the cross-chambers to be better supporting of my body than my old Big Agnes pad. As long as you don't intend to use this in cold temperatures you'll be fine. If you want to extend use into 4 season situations try and closed cell foam pad (maybe 1/4 inch or 3/8 inch) underneath for additional r-value. If you're sleeping in shelters, consider a piece of tyvek to go under the pad to keep it safe from nail heads or splinters.
Why is it so difficult to find the Specs for the various models? I am looking for the NEW NeoAir - ALL SEASON - (R-Value = 4.9) 2.5" thick Air Mattress. Is it self inflating? Price for the Small Size?
The All Season NeoAir is being released on June 1, so details are still hard to come by. It is not a self inflating pad, but it comes with a pump. It will come in 3 sizes: medium, regular, and large. The medium will cost $139.95 and is 20 x 66 x 2.5 inches
There are pads out there that are much cheaper and lighter but you will be sacrificing a lot of comfort. The Neo Air is an incredibly comfortable and compact sleeping pad. You can control the firmness or softness of the pad allowing for a custom sleep experience. The insulating properties are very impressive. 16 of us were tenting on frozen dirt. In the morning when all the tents were packed up I walked around and noticed every ones melt spot from where they were sleeping. I was using the Neo Air and my melt spot was much smaller than almost everyone else.
Durability: Very durable if taking precautions. You need a ground cloth! If youre in a tent perfect! Guys on the Appalachian using just the shelters I find a space blanket works perfect and weighs next to nothing. Ultra lighters and Light guys, MSR makes an E-Bivy that is 10oz and is surprisingly tough and water resistant, coupled with the 7oz tarp from GoLite that uses just one hiking pole to set up and boom youre in business. Some sort of stuff sack is a good idea to protect it form objects in your pack.
Cons: After a couple hardy breathes into the pad I get a little light headed. It takes about 20 to 25 good lung fulls to inflate. I usually put a couple breathes into it, get water, couple more breaths, do something else and so on until its filled. Also break down time takes a little longer as well.
Bottom line: Perfect for going as light a possible but keeping comfort at an all time high.
I am very happy with the Neoair. I used it this past weekend during a few chilly (34F) nights camping. I do agree with other reviewers that if it dipped colder than that I would like a little extra insulation and I might steal my girlfriends Z-Lite pad to put underneath it.
First off, I am happy it airs up really quick and takes up so little space in my bag. I was surprised as to how plush a pad this can be. This is more comfortable than some full fledged air mattresses I have slept on. I also found that airing it up all the way was not as comfortable as taking just a bit of air out. Once I did that I fell in love with it.
Another thing I find I appreciate about this pad is I never once slipped around on it. It also seems less crackly sounding when I am using it camping than the first time I aired it up and tried it at home.
All-in-all I am not regretting spending more on this pad because I am very happy with it and can foresee using it for quite some time.
The only negative I have for it would be that I have to watch my girlfriend as she constantly tries to steal my pad instead of use her own.
The NeoAir has been the single greatest gear purchase I have made this year! (And I have made a few purchases... I just started backpacking 1 1/2 years ago and I am now upgrading my gear.) This pad is not near as thin as many people try to make it out to be. Fact is, if you are going to use an air pad, caution MUST be taken. So, this pad is much lighter and more comfortable than any of my ccf pads, self-inflaters, and even my Exped SynMat. And it is actually quite warm, I have used this pad in temps in the mid teens and been comfortable using my 15* Marmot Helium. The horizontal baffles and the truss system makes this pad a must have.
Hey newb. Di you enjoy the rats running accross your head all night? Always put your head to the outside of a shelter such as on the AT. The reason? Mice and rats who frequent these shelters have poor vision and always travel against walls - hence accross your head if you set up as in the pics. Cheers friends ;)
Thanks for the tip, but I will stick with the method I am using. Sleeping with my head inside like in the picture has more benefits than sleeping with my head out...I'll explain...
I don't like putting my head on the outsides because you never know who will step down in the middle of the night and accidentally step on you, I would rather it be my feet, or the end of my sleeping bag rather than my face.
I haven't had any rats or mice run across my face, at least that I am aware of. I have felt them running around near my waist and torso area though. So, while they scurry along the walls at times, they also get all around the rest of the shelter.
Along with the Big Agnes sleeping bag with which I use this pad, the NeoAir is the single most valuable (not expensive, valuable) piece of camping gear I own. At home, I have a Sleep Number bed...the NeoAir is as close as you are going to get to that in a tent. I have used it in 95+ degree (at night) weather in Texas and it was comfortable. I have used it in 27 degree weather in Oklahoma and I was toasty warm sleeping directly on the ground. In a Big Agnes, the sleeping pad provides 100% of the bottom insulation. I have owned my NeoAir for over 18 months now and spent over 30 nights on it. Zero complaints. Well worth the money.
I am a classic Big & Tall sort of person (more big than tall, but tall too) and the NeoAir pad allows me to roll over on my side without my hip ever touching ground. Sure, it takes 40 breaths to blow it up - but then it's heaven all week. When slipped in to the pad pouch on the bottom of the Big Agnes I can roll, toss, turn, and SLEEP in any position in complete comfort. Every campout (I am a Scouter) I make the folks with big blowup mattresses and self-inflators alike jealous as I fold the NeoAir into thirds and roll it into a bag smaller than a loaf of bread.
I have seen others complain of punctures on the first use - try clearing your sleeping site of sharp stones and burrs before you pitch your tent (duh). I have seen others complain of awaking on the ground in the morning. A little lesson in science - your breath is approximately 98 degrees when you blow up the pad. Warm air is expanded. As your warm breath in the pad cools down, the air contracts and so does the pad. This is especially pronounced in cold weather. Just top it up with a few breaths and sleep happy. As a matter of habit, the NeoAir is the first thing I set up after my tent. I blow it all the way up, toss it in the tent, and then finish setting up camp. Then, right before I go to sleep it needs topping up because the air I used to inflate it has cooled down and contracted. Once the pad and the ground temperature reach an equilibrium point, there is no problem. But, if you blow it up right before you get in the bag - yup - you are going to wake up on the ground. Don't blame the NeoAir, blame science.
Buy the stuff sack. Ridiculous that you have to spend an extra $15 when you are spending $100+ on a pad, I know, but the stuff sack is just the right size. I have seen others complain about the stuff sack. Here we go again...if there is ANY air left in your NeoAir when you try to roll it up - you got it - too thick to go in the bag. Make sure all of the air is out, roll it up, and it slides into the stuff sack with room to spare. There is absolutely NO problem with the NeoAir, or its stuff sack.
One other tip - blow it up the minute you get it and let it sit over night. Notice how it deflates a little. Top it up. Notice how it stays inflated. If there is a manufacturing problem this is where it will show up. If you buy it, never test inflate it, and wait until your first night out to discover a problem, whose fault is that? (Hint - it's not the NeoAir's fault. Be Prepared.)
I just got my NeoAir and I'm wondering if anyone knows if you can stuff it in a sack scrunched up or if it would be best to roll it every time? I'm worried about the inside tubes not handling it being scrunched up. Any thoughts?
I agree, I would not stuff it, but rather roll it. When using "UL" gear, it is best to treat it with care. A lot of the "UL" gear is actually quite durable, even more so than may be expected, but IMO, it is more important to just treat it right. Besides, if you roll it you will be sure to get all the air out and it will ultimately roll up smaller than if it were stuffed...
This is a great pad. I love the new technology and how light and compact thermarest has gotten such a warm sleeping pad. That being said, I did find I had to adjust the amount of air in the pad to make it comfortable for me. To much and it was hard, too little and I felt the ground. Maybe I'm just picky, but it was a little finicky the first couple of uses. Still love it though!
So I've had this for a while, and I really do love it. It's comfortable and light. However, I'm not sure if it's just because it's all air, but the past few nights I've used it, I wake up with my butt touching the ground -- the air just doesn't stay in all night. Whether its the air pressure or a leak, I have had it replaced already, and it is still happening. It's a shame, but oh well.
I have used Thermarest for now almost 20 years. From the original aluminium valve to the NeoAir. Best night sleep is now on NeoAir. Super compact and light. Downside: I spend a few minutes inflating it by mouth instead of self inflation. More details for a comaparison with Exped at http://gnarlydognews.blogspot.com/2009/06/sleeping-mats-less-is-more.html
I also have both. I find the NeoAir seems a little more comfortable than the Trekker and NeoAir is a little warmer. The key is adjusting the correct air pressure to body weight. I also use the Thermarest air adapter that takes between 2-3 bags full of air to fill. Very little effort and lightweight compact inflation option.
Great question! There are a couple of key differences between the two. The NeoAir (listed above) uses the most durable lightweight nylon available. Remember, this is ultra-lightweight material so it needs a little more TLC (no different from other super lightweight gear). However it is much more durable than other ultra-lightweight materials and has incredible tensile strength (it's ability to withstand tears). It can also take amazing amounts of pressure without breaking down. It isn't remarkably puncture proof, but really no nylon ripstop or polyester is. This material is also coated with a tacky silicon surface to help it from sliding around the tent.
The other major difference between this and the NeoTrekker is the highly reflective mylar sheet that helps to radiate heat back to the user. This increase it's R-Value by almost 2 points. The NeoTrekker doesn't have this reflective material inside the pad. The NeoAir is also about 5 oz. lighter and can pack smaller.
The NeoTrekker uses a polyester material instead of nylon. Polyester materials are less expensive than high-end nylons and don't have the same tensile strength for it's weight. However, the polyester used on the NeoTrekker has similar characteristics as the nylon on the NeoAir, but at a weight penalty. The polyester also has a brushed feel to it giving it a softer hand. Because the NeoTrekker lacks the noisy reflective mylar inside, it is much quieter if you are concerned about crinkly noise. I've used both pads and am not bothered by either although some have complained with the NeoAir.
In summary the NeoTrekker is more durable, quieter but less insulative and heavier than the NeoAir. It's also $40 cheaper. If these attributes are desirable, and the extra weight isn't a big deal, then the NeoTrekker is a tremendous pad. However, if size, weight, and extended season use (down to about 20 degrees F) is paramount without sacrificing comfort, albeit for the slight crinkly noise and a bit more money, the NeoAir stands supreme.
Neoair allowed me to get my sleep system down to 4lb 12oz and very compact. I used the Neoair with an Nunatak Quilt and with that set up I sleep right on the pad. The Quilt raps around the pad so no slip and warmth is a plus. It still helps to dig the pad into the snow to stop pad slip up and down. Another GREAT feature for snow ditch-bag sleeping is how the valve prohibits water vapor from getting in, so the dry air inside is that much warmer and doesn't decrease the inflation when the water vapor freezes inside the pad like with some other blow up pads. Also the ultralight patch kit is a bonus though I haven't had to use it as of yet.
It's hard to get something light weight that is also comfortable. At first I was using the prolite small which weighs 14 oz's and is only 1.25 inches thick, however, as soon as this one came out, I had to get it. I sent in my old pad, got this one, and won't look back. It takes a little more to inflate, but it is incredibly comfortable. I don't inflate it all the way so it can contour to my body better, but this pad is the best out there!
I was a little worried about the noise of the material, but its really not that noisy at all! Its super comfy, super light, and packs up super small. I'm 6' 3" and was hesitant on what size to get, but I bought a regular and it is the perfect size for me! Not sure about durability but I'm not too worried because I tend to baby my gear.
Being a serious gear head, I can honestly say that I have tried most lightweight pads out there -- either in store or in the wilderness. The Neo far surpasses any pad I have ever used in terms of compact weight, comfort and stability. This baby is tiny and featherweight in a backpack. It will slide into some of those tiny voids while packing. This pad is simply the most comfortable pad I have ever laid my trail weary spine upon. Some pads cause added rolling when turning from back to side sleeping and back again. I for one tend to move around during the night and the Neo is neither noisy (as some people claim) or unstable. I think its the horizontal baffles that offer improved stability and warmth. I have the 20 and 25" models. The 20 is a bit too narrow, but works fine while the 25 feels like a queen size mountain matress. It literally fills the entire floor space of my MSR Hubba HP. I simply add a 1/8" or 1/4" closed cell foam pad between the Neo and my bag during colder conditions - perfect!
I cannot put a higher rating or I would. The only thing that could improve this pad is a material that is more durable for using in a camp chair, however this would then be detrimental to the insan lightness of this pad. For that I will be more careful!
I've had two, decided to look elsewhere. My first NeoAir suffered from the delamination scourge which affected many early run NeoAirs. I sent it in to Cascade Designs Warranty/Repair Dept and they replaced it promptly, no questions asked. Replacement pad had no problems, but I ultimately decided to sell it.
Try as I might, I just can't get comfortable on the NeoAir. The horizontal baffles just don't work well for me- the effective width the pad feels like it's only 16" with the way the baffles collapse at the edges. Makes for an poor night's rest, all night long I'm having to adjust the pad and my position on it so that I'm falling off one side or another. The sticky coating helps- if only all pads had it! Never had a problem with the many other 20" wide pads I've owned from Thermarest, Pacific Outdoor Equipment, etc. In the end, the design of the pad doesn't make much sense. Unless you're using it in a hammock, vertical baffles seem to make more sense.
Ended up selling the NeoAir and getting a Pacific Outdoor Equipment Ether Elite 6, and more recently a custom Kooka Bay pad. About the same weight as a Medium NeoAir, but four inches wider and almost twice as warm with an R-Value of 4. Both options worth considering if the NeoAir doesn't work for you.
Bought this because it's half the weight of my Exped Downmat. It's comfy but seems narrow and not quite as comfortable as the Downmat. I'd still go for the Downmat in the winter, but the Neoair did great at 11,000 ft on Mt Rainier this weekend with sub-freezing temperatures.
Only nit pick is the extra $13 for a stuff sack. I used a BD skin bag which fitted the mat well.
Or just grab a piece of cord long enough to tie the two together. Don't tie it extremely tight, just snug to hold them together. Works like a charm, and it doesn't cost as much as the piece of cord that they sell specifically for this...cord is cord...
Yes, there are a few different ways that you can achieve that.
1. Therm-a-Rest makes a down coupler that you could use to fit two pads together.
2. Therm-a-Rest makes a snap kit that allow you to snap them together however I've heard mixed feelings about how well they work and if people really want to glue them to their sleeping pads.
3. Exped makes a strap kit that basically has two straps that hold them together. I've used this method myself and it works fairly well though I haven't used the Exped kit.
If you look under Sleeping Pad Accessories you can see the snaps and the Exped straps(though the straps are out of stock unfortunately) and can see the reviews and info about them.
I knew that this pad packs down small, but I was still amazed when it first came in the mail. Not only is this pad less than 1/3 the weight of my old Therm-a-rest, it's about 1/5 the volume, and it's longer, thicker, and more comfortable.
The only downsides are that it's expensive, and it takes a lot longer to inflate than other pads. It also feels a bit fragile, but I haven't had any punctures or leaks yet.
I wanted to hate this pad so badly. It's SOOOO overpriced, doesn't come with a stuff sack OR a repair kit, and just sounds too good to be true. Turns out I hate to love it. I bought one a few months back (I was lucky enough to find a large) and it wouldn't hold air overnight. Thus, I promptly returned it and wrote it off... But since I'm obsessive compulsive, I HAD to try again. Once again, I was lucky enough to find a large (after searching EVERYWHERE for a solid month), and this one holds air better than Michael Phelps. I spent the night on it with the perfect amount of air and it was more comfortable than my bed. Seriously. I also thought I'd hate the sticky coating, but found it to be incredibly useful when I turned sideways and my sleeping bag stayed put (I like it that way). I was skeptical about the "reflective heat surface" but actually noticed that where my body was, IT WAS WARM AS HELL. Seriously. The large size is PERFECT for my fat ass, it's wide enough so my arms don't hang off the side when I'm on my back, long enough so my feet aren't hanging off the edge, and so thick that side sleeping is not a problem at all. Perfect... So, in the end, I am absolutely PAINED to give this pad 5 stars: there is no stuff sack, no repair kit, and it cost more than my TENT... but after all is said and done, the ability to actually sleep comfortably in the wilderness is priceless. And since my large weighs at least a full pound less than any large foam pads out there and stuffs smaller than most REGULAR sized pads I've seen, I grudgingly bow down to my Neoair. The perfect air mattress.
This pad really is light and packs small. Also very comfortable -- the one gripe is that it is pretty noisy. Noisy enough to disturb sleep when you move at night and noisy enough that folks in other tents (20 yards away) commented on hearing me turn over at night. That said, I am wondering if there are any suggestions to solve for that? Solve that and it is perfect.
This pad works just fine in Big Agnes bags (although in won't fit in their mummy bags). It takes a little work to get it in the sleeve, but it's not too hard if you insert it partially inflated (then fully inflate it after fully sliding it in the sleeve). As you've said, B.A. bags don't have insulation on the bottom. The NeoAir seems to hold heat fairly well, but in really cold weather you may want to go with a pad that has a higher R value (or a bag that has some insulation beneath you). Keeping the NeoAir more fully inflated can also help it to provide better insulation. Having said all this, I have been very comfortable in 30-40 degree weather with my Fish Hawk and NeoAir.
This pad is awesome. It packs down to a size of a little bigger than a nalgene bottle. When blown up it is just about 3 inches thick and comfy as heck. The only drawback is that it takes a bit of time to blow up and also to pack it down correctly. If you are dirtbike camping like me, or just need need gear to take up as little room as possible, this is the pad for you. If you are on the fence, pull the trigger. You won't regret it.
This is a killer pad. It is unbelievable how small it packs (no, like other therm-a-rests it does not come with its own stuff sack, which is unfortunate given how much this pad costs). It really does roll up to 9 X 4 inches (regular size)., and weighs less than a pound. But size does not mean anything if it does not work, and this pad really works. Yes, you have to blow it up, but this really is not too hard to do so. It is really thick, so that even if I let some air out so that it is soft, I still do not hit the ground even when lying on my side (so no more waking up with one leg asleep!). It really does a good job of retaining heat (so that I have even been fine sliding it into the sleeve in my Big Agnes bag) and is stable enough that you don't feel like you're sleeping on a pool float. Sure, this pad is pricey, but based upon its comfort, weight and stuffed size, I believe that it is worth it.
great pad. of course super lightweight and compact, but if just sleeping on ground I would recommend bringing a tarp to sleep on because the pads fabric is not as thick as the older therm-a-rests.
Would the NeoAir perform well on winter nights down to 10-15ºF without another pad underneath? I'm sleeping in a tent and I've got a down bag rated to -10ºF, but I sleep on the cold side. I probably "should" buy the Prolite Plus but I just tried this one and it's SO light and cushy... has me wondering whether I could get away with it in the cold!
I absolutly love this pad. My wife got this for me last Christmas and we took it to Guadalupe National Park. The temp was easy 15 degrees F and I slept like a baby... well until I was woken up and asked to trade pads... Bottom line, you cant beat the weight or the comfort of the neo. If you get cold, toss a few hand warmers in your bag.
I agree with everything Livingston said, just a few things to add. I'm not an expert in R value, just experience, and it seems in the sub 20 to below freezing range there is a lot of opinion on the neoair. Some people (myself included) sleep fine around freezing on the neoair, while others recommend a pad underneath. I think a big play on this is the sleeping bag the person has, as well as the inflation level of the pad.
Keep in mind, while some like to underinflate the neoair for some more comformity and comfort, this decreases the distance between you and the ground thus decreasing insulation level, if it's cold, the neoair needs to be fully inflated. And it's always important to have a sleeping bag rated correctly.
I've never gotten in to R values, generally, in the colorado rockies (san isabel range) the general backpacking rule was over 2 inch thick for a pad below freezing and yer good. The neoair, fully inflated, with a -20 down bag, inside my Nemo Moki tent, has kept me toasty in -5F.
Thanks, that's helpful! I think I'll try it out with a Z-Lite - I'm pretty amazed at how comfortable it is... Slept on it last night in my living room and feeling well rested today! Do you know what minimum temperatures different R-values correspond to? I tried googling for a chart but apparently my googling skills aren't up to snuff. Thanks!!
Because the R-Value is at 2.5, I wouldn't recommend this pad for anything below 20 degrees F. You will really start to feel the cold coming through below this temp. One way of combating this is by using a closed-cell foam mattress like the Z-Lite or Ridgerest. Both of these pads will raise the R-Value past 5 which is adequate for around the 0 degree F mark. These pads are light and fairly inexpensive and are indestructable which is important when you are in cold environments.
The Prolite Plus is also a great choice. It's limit is around 10 degrees F (for an average warm sleeper) and packs pretty small.
THE BEST sleeping pad on earth - especially for backpackers, who need low-weight, low size options. This pad packs down to the size of a Nalgene, and provides unparalleled sleep comfort.
If you are over 6 feet tall, i highly recommend getting the Large - the Regular is too small for me, and I'm 6'4".
I ordered this to use in place of my Cabela's Ultimate 3" pad for backpacking. It is the size of a Nalgene bottle when stored and the weight is just over a pound for the Large model. I am 6' 7" and weigh 250 pounds and the NeoAir pad worked great for me. The NeoAir is Wood Badge tested and Wood Badge approved!
I was a little skeptical on paying the price for this but I'm glad I did. It packs very lightweight and small. I didn't fill it completely full of air so that I could fold it and use some of it as a pillow. It makes a lot of noise if you move around on it and it may disturb people sleeping next to you is only complaint. But hey I didn't care I love how comfortable it was.
I spent 3 weeks on a neo air last year and the noise of the fabric was not a problem. I can't comment on slipperiness since I used the fitted sheet and ventra comforter. We got down to the lower 40's in Patagonia and it was very warm and cozy. My wife was not excited about tenting for weeks but she warmed to the idea after finding out how comfortable the set up is. I will not go back to a sleeping bag except for winter camping.
Slippery - This pad has a thin layer of silicone that does a pretty good job of gripping both tent floors and sleeping bags, so you need not worry too much about the pad being slippery.
Noisy - This is commonly brought up when talking about this pad. Due to the nature of the lightweight material it does make a little noise when there is movement on the pad (similar to the crinkling of a potato chip bag). For those using the pad this is a rarely an issue. The increase in comfort and decrease in weight are big enough bonuses that the noise is usually a negligible detractor. Most complaints I hear about noise are come from those sleeping next to the person one the pad (jealousy?).
If either you or the guy next to you are extremely light sleepers, then maybe remedy this with some earplugs, but this is still a great pad.
make sure to use a ground cloth for puncture protection (not that that has been a problem after 10 months of use - Olympic Peninsula Coast, North Cascades, Grand Canyon, etc) - it's just that it would really suck to have to sleep on the rocks and roots in the middle of a hump
i deflate mine, roll it into a cylinder and wrap my space socks around each end, then into the pack
what's with the comments about the lung effort to blow this up? can't blow this up? really? go home
five stars for comfort, but four stars for ease of use cuz you do have to blow it up, which takes a couple of minutes. the biggest complaint is that this pad is advertised as being a good could weather pad, but its not at all. this thing will suck the heat right out of you. my solution consisted of getting a z-light to put on top of it, which works well to insulate against heat loss through the ground. four stars over all, because of that little issue.
I'm comparing two regular sized air mattresses. The Big Agnes Air Core, and the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir. I have never used either one and I am looking at both of them for a possible purchase. They are very similar in many respects, but there are some differences.
Similarities: The Dimensions are identical, both of them 20x72 inches with a 2.5 inch thickness, they both pack down to a similar size, the BA 4x7.5in., the NeoAir larger at 4x9in.
Differences: Weight - the medium NeoAir weighs 14 oz. The medium BA Air Core weighs 22 oz. Cost - Big Agnes $49.95, NeoAir $149.95. Included Accessories - Big Agnes includes a stuff sack and patch kit. The Therm-a-Rest includes nothing.
Is 8 oz worth $100? Perhaps Big Agnes includes the stuff sack and patch kit in the listed weight?
Bottom Line: Why should I buy the Therm-a-Rest over the Big Agnes? Does Big Agnes include the sack and patch kit in the listed weight? I have never used either one, so is the NeoAir more durable?
Durability is the name of the game with this product. I spent 30 days on the Big Agnes insulated air core and a friend of mine had the NeoAir. Before the trip, both pads had suffered punctures, but over the course of 30 days of continuous use, my BA ruptured again (day 22). The NeoAir preformed faithfully without problems.
The price is in the quality construction and materials.
Jerry, you are wise to shop around and ask questions. I am a big fan of both Therm-a-rest pads as well as Big Agnes pads, but you should take a look at the Big Agnes "Insulated" Aircore rather than the non-insulated version when comparing it to the neoair.
If you go for the mummy shape, regular length, you are looking at 21oz 2.5 inch thickness 72 x 20 (20 at shoulders, then tapered down towards the head and feet) You'll have a considerable increase in warmth with an R-Value of 4.1 compared to 2.5 You still get the included stuff sack and repair kit. Packs down tiny(See picture)
This Insulated Aircore is usually $75-$80 a little more than the non-insulated version, but its currently on sale for 59.96 (8/5/2010) here at Backcountry.com.
The neoair is cutting edge and lighter, but considerably more expensive and not quite as warm.
Thank you for that great answer Jason. And here I was thinking that the NeoAir was just an air mattress!! I used to sell Thermarest back in the 80s when I was in college working at a sporting goods store in Anchorage, so I know that Thermarest is a quality brand and that $100 had to be there for some reason.
It amazes me that the NeoAir has so many more baffles, yet still remains lighter weight than the Air Core. I think that Big Agnes is also a quality brand, but it seems that these two products are in a different league. On the surface they seemed very much alike, but they are really quite different.
By the way, I read your bio. I think you must have one of the best jobs in the world. Hiring? :)
There are a few major differences between the Big Agnes Air Core and the Thermarest NeoAir. They are: 1. NeoAir is smaller or at the least the same size. You can get the NeoAir incredibly small! I've actually gotten my Regular NeoAir pad in the small stuff sack. 2. The major difference between the two is that the NeoAir has R-Value, or insulative properties, where as the Air Core does not. This is done by the "Triangular Core Matrix" which uses a reflective safety blanket and air permeable material lamenated to the outer material. Because of this brand new technology, the NeoAir has an R-Value of 2.5, allowing the user to sleep in colder conditions. 3. The NeoAir is much more comfortable because of the 140 baffles vs. the 14 baffles of the AirCore. Sleeping on the AirCore is akin to sleeping on a pool toy. The NeoAir is like sleeping on a regular Thermarest much a tad more thick.
The NeoAir is much more technologically superior to the AirCore.
I just got this pad a couple days ago and got the chance to test it out for the weekend and i must say it is very comfortable, and ridiculously easy to inflate. Definitely a great buy, I'm looking forward to seeing how long it will last!
Light weight and easy to pack are the two main reasons for purchasing this sleeping pad. After sleeping on only a ISO Mat while at PTA (Hawaii) I realized I needed a ground mattress. Since buying I've used it in the Mojave Desert (EMV) for 24 straight nights without any problems. Did notice it loosing some air over night and during day when left inflated. Never enough to touch ground though. Three or four more breaths firmed it up to my liking. Once deployed to Afghanistan I of course took the Neo Air on all Op's without any issues. Did use a ground tarp and Z-lite iso mat (afraid of punctures) and slept like a baby. Took a lot of ball busting from the young Marines but only because they were jealous (Haters). Would highly recommend.
Very comfortable, holds the air well and does not make noise if you turn from side to side. It packs down to the size of a water bottle. I would recommend this type pad to a friend.
I have a Staytek Standard. I normally store it flat and inflated, (valve open). Can It be safely be stored on it's laying on it's side, (ie against a wall) ?
Yep, that is the preferred method of storage. What's most important is that open cell foam remains uncompressed, and that the valve is open so that the pad can "breathe".
Been using this a few years now for backpacking and Kayaking trips. Super light super comfy for long trips and weekenders. price tag well worth the saving's in size and space. Consider the inflate time as a work out lol.
I am really happy to find this item. It's much lighter than my old pad, much smaller and way more comfortable. Not often you can improve in so many more...
I am really happy to find this item. It's much lighter than my old pad, much smaller and way more comfortable. Not often you can improve in so many more...