i would like to buy this for my son in L black, they only have M do they run big, I would hate to get it and it is 2 small Thanks

while TNF has become the "Armani" of wanna-be outdoor types trying to seem fit and upbeat while strolling the campus or the local mall, coffee shop, etc. try not to forget the big picture...TNF jackets and such are not designed to be casual wear even though they seem to be amuck in every javashop in town. I'm not trying to sound smug here, but did want to point something out that I think too many people miss when deciding on and ordering a TNF jacket is that the torso length IS going to be somewhat short. This is not a design flaw. It is a 'for real world outdoor environment design specification!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" TNF jackets are designed with layering in mind for outdoor conditions. Jacket torso lengths are going to be cut off right around the WAIST not HIPS!!!!! There is a very good reason behind that. If one uses a TNF jacket for its intended purpose (outdoor use, not looking cool and keeping in trend) then you want the torso length cut at the waist so when the weather turns and you have to break out your rain shell to layer over the jackets then you don't have to concern yourself with the bottom portion of the jacket getting all wet and defeating the purpose of your rain layer...ingenious ingenuity now isnt it? once again, not trying to come off as a jack@$$, but I truly do get sick of people bashing TNF (and other outdoor companies) sizing designs because it doesn't fit their metro-java cafe, neiman marcus ways of thinking while purchasing a friggin backwoods outdoors piece of gear...not article of clothing...its gear to those of us in the know......sorry for rambling but hoping to help clarify this so called design flaw of TNF (and other outdoors outfitters)......

I am 5 10 185 and the M is fine in the chest and sleeves but the length down the back is close to being short.