I hear these boots are supposed to be tight out of the box and after heat molded and toe box expanded, they fit great. How tight is tight though? I tried on out of the box and my toes are at the end, and quite tight, and they still are at the end when flexing forward. Havne't done the heat molding yet..but is this too tight?

I have one of the linner ovens from the Raichle days. These work best since it's like a convection oven. I have seen people use a regular home oven and done it once myself, you have to be carful not to melt the liner by touching it on oven parts like the rack or heating elements. 10 minutes at 250.

Seth, what method do you used to heat your own liners? I know this can be tricky to not over do it...but I've wanted to do my own for a while.

Thanks for the info on the fit!! I am thinking the 28 mondo shell would be more in the 1 to 1.5 finger range, then the 27.5 I picked up (the 27.5 is just under a finger). I am getting fitted at a shop in boulder that I think likes to fit boots quite tight, so they can sell their add-ons...may need to get into the 28!!

How is your shell size? Pull liner, just have toes touching front of boot, stick index finger behind heel and or index plus middle finger. You should have 1 to 1.5 fingers behind your heel. Trying them on out of the box they should be tight, but you should have your ski sock on and footbed in as well. While molding them they will be even tighter since the liner expands when heated. You should have a toe cap on while doing said molding and have cant adjustments set prior to molding. Once they cool off. If they still are to tight you can remold again and liner will loose more thickness. Fine tuning with shock thickness helps! I'm not a boot fitter I just cook my own liners and know what works for me with this shell.