Between this glove and the Mountain Hardwear Epic glove, which would be more appropriate for use in rainy conditions just above freezing? I've had to ski in the rain the past two weekends and both times my supposed waterproof/gore-tex lined gloves soaked completely through so I'm definitely in the market for something that is 100% waterproof.

J.Troxell. The leather comes to us treated from the factory and should keep that majority of water out without a lot of extra treatment. Also, when you consider the OutDry laminate... even if the leather "wet's out" water will still not get through the leather and laminate and into the glove. If you are a heavy user I would treat the leather with something once it seems like it is worn or drying out. Otherwise, enjoy!!

Thanks Jon - I just got a pair of the Hydra gloves to try. Do you know if there would be any value in treating the leather part of the gloves with some waterproofing treatment like what is recommended for Hestra gloves?

jat120. Both the Epic gloves and the Hydra Gloves are completely waterproof. That is because of our new laminate technology called Outdry which is laminated to the inside shell of the gloves. A couple differences, the Hydra Gloves are a softshell glove with a fairly thick leather palm and a medium sized gauntlet. The Epic Gloves have a shorter gauntlet and are made with a nylon shell material and synthetic palm. If you want a more durable glove... I would consider the Hydra Glove. Both gloves are waterproof as are any glove utilizing the Outdry laminate. Hope this info helps!

Well, to be fair the other gloves are all 5+ years old and have seen lots of use. I just need to find something that will be adequate for when it is actually raining.

Take your gloves back to where you got them and they should be replaced.