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I have the Mtn Hardwear sub-zero and really hate it - the fit...
By ipa rider
Ranked #1778 - Men's Down Jackets
December 11, 2009
I have the Mtn Hardwear sub-zero and really hate it - the fit is too short and wide in the body, making the thing really drafty...the cut of the arms is also not the greatest for mobility.
So I'm looking for a replacement, but want something more athletically cut...comparisons with the Phantom
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By Barry Blalock
Ranked #447 - Men's Down Jackets
December 11, 2009
This thing is dope money. But so is the MontBell Permafrost Light... Look at two things here: Weight and warmth. Which do you think is better? The Phantom is 15oz and has a 15 denier fabric which will be very, very susceptible to tears and snags. Also it won't be as weather resistant as a thicker fabric would be... Enter the Permafrost. 30 denier fabric, 800 fill just like the Phantom, weight is 14 ounces but here is the catch: Permafrost has Gore WindStopper, the well known, long proven windproof and fairly waterproof lightweight and stretchy Gore laminate. Our results: Permafrost has WindStopper, 800 fill, Ballistic 30 denier fabric, and comes in lighter and more packable than the Phantom. Plus, when the Phantom isn't on sale, both jackets cost the same. I've used both because I am an avid Mountan Hardwear guy, but the MontBell Permafrost Light takes the cake when comparing the two. Check it out, here on Backcountry.com.
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Tech Specs:
- Material:
- 15D Nylon ripstop
- Insulation:
- 800-Fill down
- Center Back Length:
- 28in (71cm)
- Hood:
- No
- Pockets:
- 2 Hand, 1 chest, 1 internal zip
- Waterproof:
- Water-resistant
- Weight:
- 15oz (420g)
- Recommended Use:
- Backpacking, mountaineering, alpine climbing, backcountry skiing
- Manufacturer Warranty:
- Lifetime
Change me.



