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Lib Technologies TRS BTX Snowboard

November 2, 2009

TNT base is awesome. I have the 08 TRS and it truly needs less maintenance (waxing) than a sintered base. Very fast and durable- hardly a scratch on the base from a full season of riding. If you keep it waxed normally, you won't have a problem. My friends have the skate banana and the TRice. Both those boards have sintered bases. We all waxed with the same brand (Bluebird). Both got slower throughout the day due to wax shedding off more quickly. The TRS kept its speed over multiple days (a full 6 in a row!) with no need for waxing. They almost had to do a full wax every 2 days. The Lib sintered bases appear to need a more thorough waxing. You can't go wrong with the TNT if you don't like to wax a lot.

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Lib Technologies MC Kink BTX Snowboard

September 21, 2009

I've got the MC kink 157 and 08 TRS 167 BTX and my wife has the T Rice 157 Btx (08). I can tell you the MC Kink is by far the most fun board I have ever been on. Soft, smooth and fast. I was a little nervous going way down in size from my usual 167 cm, but I couldn't get over how stable the MC was when I needed it and how forgiving and flexy it was for playing. It rides switch very well too. The T Rice is stiffer (like the TRS) and does not have as much rocker to it compared to the MC Kink. I can't imagine how you could go wrong with a kinky banana.

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unbelieveable

Lib Technologies TRS BTX Snowboard

Lib Technologies TRS BTX Snowboard

Rating for this product: 5 April 23, 2009

Forget the BS that has been thrown around out there- slow base, not built as well, whine whine whine.

I am 6'2, 200 lbs and bought the 167 cm, wide stance, slightly duck. I ride a lot, and have been doing so for a long time.

The magnetraction is not dramatic. You can see it with your eye, but it doesn't stand out, and you don't feel it riding, until you need it. It carves superbly, like a normal edge and I did not notice a reduced performance in speed. In sketchy hard pack or ice, it takes hold and gave control when and where I needed it.

I don't know what people use for wax, but that makes more of a difference than what the base is made of. The TNT base is tough and took up the wax I used. For the record, Bluebird wax is the best hands down. Cold wax along the edges, a mix of standard and cold wax in the middle, and you're set. I have had no problems with speed. I couldn't tell the difference between the TRS with a TNT base and my older boards with sintered/ "high end" bases.

The banana is also not dramatic. It's slightly raised in the nose and tail, more so in the nose. In my opinion it did not take time to get used to. It functioned like a normal snowboard and hauled through every kind of terrain I threw at it. Chunky, skied out, sketchy sections? The TRS plowed through it cleanly and did not feel loose or squirrely. When did it not perform normally? Goofing around, buttering, and popping 180s at speed. Playful, presses, butters, and has amazing pop. I got great air, and the TRS ollied like a normal board, but a normal board on steroids. I really didn't feel that I had to alter my riding to get it to ollie. It pops!

BTX is amazing. The board literally rolls over into a carve the minute you think about putting it on edge. Effortless carve. Seriouly, I don't feel as tired riding it and trying to control a good carve- it's there doing most of the work for you. The only thing you have to consider is how long and deep you want to hold the carve. The TRS just effortlessly pops out of a carve just as easily as going into one. It's kind of like this: on a cambered board, the proper carve comes in when you squeeze your knees together slightly bending the camber out of the board and really getting the whole edge into the carve. The BTX already flexes the board for you, so now you have the control between your feet and you don't have to apply the old-school camber mentality to riding. It's easier and more fun!

I was nervous about riding a Lib after reviews on quality, BTX vs camber, and the TNT base on the TRS model. I really can't understand where bad reviews come from. The new technology is not hype- it's a breakthrough. My riding is more clean and effortless and there is exponential potential for learning how to play with BTX. Anyone who gives Lib a bad review should re-evaluate their riding and consider new wax. I suggest Bluebird, but that's what works for me. It's been a sold, long lasting wax from Baker to Jackson to Sugarloaf. Ride it switch, ride it regular, ride park, ride some black diamond glare ice. Ride some powder. My TRS has replaced every board I own and I'd have a tough time considering riding anything else.

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Better than I ever expected

Lib Technologies TRS BTX Snowboard

Lib Technologies TRS BTX Snowboard

Rating for this product: 5 November 29, 2008

Not sure how I felt buying this deck because reviews have been mixed on other chat boards. Slow base, terrible pop, tech is hyped too much. Let the haters hate. Lib tech is great and thank baby jeebus, they're made in the USA. Coming from an east coaster in Maine, I'm used to variable conditions: 3 ft pow days, blue ice on 40 degree pitches, man-made groomers. At 200 lbs and 6'2", I picked up the Lib Tech TRS BTX 167 cm from Backcountry and I couldn't be happier. My Lib cherry has been popped and I'm not going back.

The BTX is not very dramatic. The Magnetraction is subdued, which isn't a bad thing. The Banana reverse camber is also mild. More of a lift in the nose than the tail however. Riding the MTX was a dream. It carved like a normal edged board- I did not notice drag or feel like the MTX took control. But on ice, or sketchy conditions, the MTX gripped like a billy goat. Hands down, I'm a big fan. The banana made me nervous because I haul. I'd rather go Mach 5 than play in the park all day. Banana was awesome! It took less energy to carve compared to riding a cambered board. Because the board is already flexed into a carve position, the deck literally rolls over into a carve w/out even having to think about it. No more bending kness together to get a cambered board to hug a carve. This thing does it naturally and it couldn't be better! The TRS locks into a carve that can be held indefinitely, but can pop out of a carve effortlessly. Amazing. Plus, riding switch has never felt more stable. The BTX is superior in all conditions. It rides up over pow and chunky ice cookies of death. The TRS just hauls over variable or changing terrain. It's like riding a full suspension mountain bike, which to me is like riding a sofa through the woods.

The base is fast. People, if you think the TNT base is slow, try waxing it yourself with some quality wax. I use Bluebird. 1 part cold temp w/ 1 part all temp. Perfect. I couldn't tell the difference between the TNT base an sintered base from other high-end boards. It's a matter of keeping a good wax on it. Bluebird is hard wax and last a long time- but that's another review all together. Lib puts the TNT bases on multiple models for a reason. It's tough and fast, and if you're lazy it doesn't NEED as much maintenance.

The TRS also pops. There's not another way to describe it. Crazy pop... off rollers, jumps, children. Just sick. Overall riding this board is fun, effortless, less strenuous..the TRS BTX dominates. I'm on the larger side (11.5 boot) and I was worried that a 167 would be huge. With a centered, wide stance, it doesn't feel huge. It's stable at fast speeds, carves, butters, and pops, but has the length for deep days. Still can't wipe the grin off my face. Go get one!

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Lib Technologies TRS BTX Snowboard

August 23, 2008

anyone out there know how the 167 cm btx handles everyday riding (groomers, free ride etc.)? I'm 6'2", 200 lbs and have been riding a long time... backcountry to resorts. I'm used to riding 163-168.5 cm boards and love hauling on the longer lengths. Needed longer lib tech due to larger waist width (something over 25.9 cm width). Plus with my weight and height, andything under a 163 is squirrely IMO. No sure how the 167 TRS bananna will ride though. Any reviews? Thanks!

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nice-not for cold weather

Burton AK 2L Stagger Pant - Men's

Burton AK 2L Stagger Pant - Men's

Rating for this product: 3 November 27, 2007

These are great pants with cool style. Vents are uniquely placed to open and close as you walk, cycling air. Zippers really are waterproof and wind proof. They have fleece lining only in the seat, not the knees however (as advertised) and the gore-tex material is very very light... so these aren't the warmest pair of over pants you could wear. Also fit is smaller and tighter than previous seasons- Burton isn't as consistent with their sizing as they should be. If you're on the larger size of a Large pant, I'd go up to an XL. If you hike a lot and earn your turns these are the pants. If you do a little of everything, maybe consider something else.

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Borat says "High Five, very nice"

Burton 3L Sqwawk Softshell Jacket - Men's

Burton 3L Sqwawk Softshell Jacket - Men's

Rating for this product: 5 October 26, 2007

I love Gore Tex and I love Gore Tex soft shell material. This jacket incorporates breathable, waterproof tech, and stretchy fabric where you need it- shoulders and back, the full back! Two way stretchy and breathable which is great when wearing a pack or throwing a 540. The waterproof RIRI zippers are crazy- you can literally pool water on top of them with zero leakage (yes I took a shower in it). Jacket is light and breathable. Gore soft shell is very very breathable for backcountry use and I have stayed warm with the fleece liner and windproof quality when sitting on a lift. Great in spring conditions with a light base layer. I have never had wet under layers wearing this softshell and I've never been chilled to the bone. This is the most substantial jacket by Burton to day- quality material, stitching, design and fit. There are no inner pockets though, which could be improved to store a hat or extra gloves. That's my only complaint. I think it's the perfect front and backcountry jacket for riders. The offset center zip is nice as it comes up to your ear, not your lips so you don't end up eating cold metal all winter. By the way, showering in your jacket is a great way to test breathability and waterproofness...at least that's what I tell the wife.

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gnarly with a capital GNAR

Salomon Malamute Snowboard Boot

Salomon Malamute Snowboard Boot

Rating for this product: 5 February 22, 2007

Super boot...stiff and comfy. Super warm. I think they put in this little neoprene flap over the toe on the liner which keeps my little piggies warm- in New England- during a blizzard when it's -17F! I love them.

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Sorry DC, not a substantial boot.

DC Allegiance Snowboard Boot - Men's

DC Allegiance Snowboard Boot - Men's

Rating for this product: 2 February 7, 2007

Sorry to say, that these boots are not all they're cracked up to be like I first believed. True, they are great out of the box, but past 6 days, I had a hole wear through the heel from my binding (my binding!), the boa knob had to be re-glued onto the tounge of the boots with epoxy, and the handle loops on the back started ripping off. All this after 6 days! And no, I didn't drag them behind my car going 60. I'm going back to Salomon Malamutes cause I never had a problem with those bad boys. Plus, the DC allegiance got very soft. Too much tech, not enough attention to quality especially for a stiff boot.

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not a good pack

Osprey Packs Switch 36 Winter Pack - 2000-2400cu in

Osprey Packs Switch 36 Winter Pack - 2000-2400cu in

Rating for this product: 1 September 5, 2006

Ummm....bad news for osprey lovers. This pack is NOT intended for snowboarders. I heard it was a "substantial pack," but it will not work like you want. Here's the low-down. First, put a full water bladder in the very loose holster. It flops and wabbles around. Not good when you're riding. The internal pocket for dry goods is severely limited once you put a water bladder inside. Add in your avy gear, and you have room for gloves, a granola bar, and a hat. Great if you don't want to bring anything extra like a shirt or jacket. Now for vertical snowboard carry: once your avy gear is in place inside it angles the tail of the snowboard down towards your calves and ankles. NOT good when climbing up or down, you'll be tripping on it the whole time. The helmet storage is flimsy at best, and if you don't want to carry a helmet there, it's useless: Gear will flop around inside due to the huge space and weak fabric material. There are also no straps to pull the pack up forward around your upper back/neck. The pack hangs low and backwards like a school book bag. No strap adjustment options for the shoulder straps at all. Not what I expected from Osprey this year. Your best bet is to get an 05 osprey switch 40+5.

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great poles for anything!

Black Diamond Gradient Trekking Poles - 1 pair

Black Diamond Gradient Trekking Poles - 1 pair

Rating for this product: 5 August 9, 2006

After using twist lock poles from komperdell in the Wasatch and Tetons all winter, I decided to try something that would work in freezing temperatures and was easy to adjust using gloves and mittens. Twist lock is fine for warm temps, but the plastic pieces inside don't lock and get icy in the winter. These Black Diamond poles are fantastic: the cork grip will hold up for many years compared to foam and the flick lock on the upper and snap lock on the lower shaft are so simple to use even with the bulkiest of gloves. Already comes w/ powder baskets so you don't need to buy an additional set.

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Best ever-especially for the price

Burton AK 2L Vent Pant - Men's

Burton AK 2L Vent Pant - Men's

Rating for this product: 5 April 17, 2006

I don't know what other people are thinking, but I've worn Burton AK in the coldest of cold places, in the deepest of chest deep pow, and hiked all over the white peaks of the Tetons, Wasatch, and White Mountains. They stand up. Period. Warm days, pow days, wet days and everything in between. Vents are super for hiking. Burton AK is solid from 8F and below and they keep you cool when it's 55F on the hill in April or you’re standing in a sweaty tram with burrito flavor. Bombproof materials stand the abuse of backcountry riding. Maybe someone who gets cold in these pants sits in the snow instead of shredding it.

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If you like ponchos

Burton AK Continuum Fuse Jacket - Men's

Burton AK Continuum Fuse Jacket - Men's

Rating for this product: 2 March 1, 2006

Ok, the concept is good—no stitching. It is super light, however flimsy. I expected a substantial jacket from Burton, not a wind breaker. Good zippers, but fabric... boo! Breathable? NO. Tried it on over a fleece shirt-instant. Sweat is death in backcountry. It was like wrapping myself in saran wrap. The fit was supper baggy like a free poncho you get at Niagra Falls, and it felt honestly like a garbage bag kids wear when it rains on the slopes. I can't imagine using it in the backcountry. The nylon fabric is so slick, a backpack slides around a lot, plus it looked ridiculous with all the extra fabric flapping around the pack straps once cinched down. Want to put something in the pockets? Unless you want to look like you have tumors growing out of you, don't bother. I would call it fancy rain coat that doesn't breath. Maybe you like to get sweaty and cold. Not me.

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They work. Period.

Black Diamond Contact ABS*** DO NOT USE***

Black Diamond Contact ABS*** DO NOT USE***

Rating for this product: 5 January 11, 2005

Very easy to install (10 min) on BD contact crampons (from the 2004 winter/spring season). I went on a night climb with them and never had to worry about snow bunching up between the spikes. Contact with snow and ice was great!

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