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ZOIC Knicks Bike Knickers - Women's

Rating for this product: 5 July 7, 2008

I just received these and they fit great. I got a large (I'm usually a large) and the rise is about 9" from seem to top. They feel like the usual rise of pants for younger women, which is nice because I'm not a fan of the to-the-waist rise, but you'll still get adequate butt coverage when you ride. The material is beautifully stretchy, no restriction at all. The pad seems nice, but I have no extensive experience with it yet, though I plan to take these mountain biking next weekend. I'm quite pleased with this purchase.

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ZOIC Knicks Bike Knickers - Women's

Rating for this product: 5 July 7, 2008

I have a large, it's got about a 8.5" rise from seam to top. I think the rise is perfect for young women who are used to their pants hitting low, but may cause problems for people used to waist-rise bike shorts. They fit great! They're so stretchy and really cute on. Plus, I love the adjustment at the hip that keeps them from gapping in the back. The inner bike shorts seem really comfortable as well (though I haven't ridden in them yet). I'm looking forward to mountain biking in them in a couple of weeks!

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