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Patagonia R2 Fleece Jacket - Men's

September 8, 2009

I agree with Babak's answer. Try upgrading your underwear first. Don't wear the R1 or R2 as your base-layer and go for thicker outer layers, first try the Capilene 3 or 4 (or wool equivalents if you can afford it). I go snowshoeing in Capiline 4 + R2 + shell and I'll take the shell off if i'm too hot and it's not windy.

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Patagonia R2 Fleece Jacket - Men's

September 8, 2009

Too late for you, I know, but the medium will fit perfectly. This jacket is a layering piece that is designed to go *under* other layers (thicker insulation and/or shell) and it should only go over a baselayer.

It's supposed to be form-fitting to perform its function: keeping you warm, keeping you dry.

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Patagonia R2 Fleece Jacket - Men's

September 8, 2009

The Rainshadow would work well with this. While hiking/backpacking you'll be fine with just a T-shirt and the R2 if you need it. However, if you feel like you might be spending some time hanging out waiting for trains, or hitchhiking, then consider a vest to add to your system. When it's chilly and you're not active, you'll probably want something in addition to keep you warm. A vest will pack down nicely and give you the most warmth per ounce/size as it will keep your core warm. Don't bother with a wind-proof vest - just use your shell as your windproof protection, and something to add 5-10F in warmth even when not active.

Check out the Patagonia down sweater vest or the Micropuff vest. For your purposes I recommend the micropuff as it will likely fit better under your rainshadow, and because it'll stay warm even if wet. Wet down is not something you want to drag around with you. Also consider a wool baselayer because it really does resist the inevitable smell.

With a baselayer, R2, vest, shell, you can pick and choose which piece(s) to wear for the conditions, and ultimately end up wearing all of them when it's really getting cold. That's the way to keep your pack size down.

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Patagonia R2 Fleece Jacket - Men's

Patagonia R2 Fleece Jacket - Men's

Rating for this product: 5 September 8, 2009

I love this mid-weight layering fleece - it's my favorite fleece that I own, and I own many. I find that I can hike in a thin baselayer and this fleece from temperatures in 40s and 50s. Above that and you'll likely find it too warm while hiking.

I see too many reviews of this product that say "didn't like it - not windproof". Well, it's not a windproof jacket, and in fact it's been purposefully designed to be virtually transparent to wind. Why? Because it's just about the most breathable fleece you can buy! The wicking ability is partly the fabric and partly the slim fit, as close contact to your base-layer will encourage better transfer of moisture.

So, this fleece will work well for you if you're doing high output activity in cooler conditions, but not if you're sitting at basecamp in a breeze without a shell on top of the fleece. It's mostly just a mid-layer, but works well alone if it's not breezy. If you want a windproof piece, then do you self a favor and buy the windproof fleece as this will result in you receiving what it is that you actually want. Check out the Lightweight-R4 for a thinner windproof, or the regular R4 for a thicker one. The LWR4 is about as thick as the R2, and the regular R4 is about as thick as the R3, which is another NON windproof fleece.

For Patagonia gear, check out their website as they have much more information on the products than Backcountry does....

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Patagonia R4 Fleece Jacket - Men's

February 17, 2009

there's nothing wrong w/ the Denali, but the Lightweight R4 is a much nicer jacket. It's got a full windproof membrane that stretches and moves with you, while the Denali just was wind resistant panels on the exterior. the reviews speak for themselves below as to how much myself and everyone loves this jacket.Not sure how it compares to the Denali, but the R4 (topped with a hard shell) kept me warm today with wind chill numbers as low as -20F.R4 kills the Denali...it is far warmer and wind resistant!! The Polartec material is so warm given its weight to warmth ratio, if there is such a thing, I cant believe how light and soft it is...range of motion is excellent and very comfortable. This is a very nice jacket but is a little to girlie for me (totally kills it for me)...too soft and fluffy...if it wasnt it would be easily one I would wear!!!I have worn both in active situations and the biggest difference for me is bulk. The Denali is impossible to pack and hard to layer. Not to mention the fact that the R4 is completely windproof. In short, the denali does not even compare.Added by nwbackpacker: I have both. I use my NF Denali for keeping warm in the house when it's cold out and I don't want to burn as much fossil fuel. I use the R4 for going outside and doing actual activity in. The Denali is stupidly bulky and not windproof, so it's as as bulky as the bulkiest outer layer but not at all appropriate for that task, and as a mid-layer it's way too bulky. The R4 has room to layer, but not quite as much as the Denali, but still *plenty* and it's windproof so you'll actually be able to wear it out in the snow and wind without catching a cold.

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Patagonia R2 Fleece Jacket - Men's

February 17, 2009

Well this is $75 less and lighter. The R4 is 300 weight fleece while the R2 is 200 weight but lacks the chest pocket of the R4. The R2 will be stretchier but the R4 will block wind better (thanks to the Polartec). It depends on what you want to use the jackets for. If you want a midlayer, the R2 is probably better, but if you were hoping for a heavier duty outer fleece, the R4 is your best bet.Update: The questioner is asking about the "Lightweight R4" which is a windproof version of the R2, as far as I can tell, and I have both. The cut is slim, like the R2, and the material is light too, like the R2. So really it's the windproof aspect that's the main difference and this makes a *massive* difference if you're out in the snow or where there's a chilly breeze.It's difficult to say which one you should get as you don't lay out what you want it for, but here is my advice:-R2 - great mid layer, or outer layer in benign weather for high activity. If you're hiking up a hill in spring or fall and it's not raining, this is the fleece I would wear. The Lightweight R4 will quickly get sweaty and you'll be busy venting it the whole time. The Lightweigh R4 is also less packable as the windproof laminate prevents it from squishing together as well as the R2.-Lightweight R4 - walking around your neighborhood in spring or fall and it's a bit windy. OR, you're out snowshoeing in 25F+ weather. Combine this lightweight R4 with an R1 pullover underneath + R2 T-shirt and you'll be toasty but have venting options. Take a down jacket to slip over it when you stop for lunch. The slim cut gives great mobility, and I'm also led to believe it's waterproof due to the windproof laminate, but that's a backup plan, as if this thing gets wet, it gets WET and soggy, and therefore colder.

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Patagonia R2 Fleece Jacket - Men's

February 17, 2009

It is a warm layer. If you are considering a down and you don't want to look like a puff, I would recommend the Patagonia Down Sweater. It is about as thick as this fleece and much warmer. http://www.backcountry.com/store/PAT0359/Patagonia-Down-Sweater-Jacket-Mens.htmlAdded: The Patagonia R2 is not at all like the NF Denali. Firstly, the cut is significantly slimmer. The R2 is cut very slim, and the NF Denali is designed to be an outer layer, or for the larger individual. Secondly, the R2 is a thinner layer. If you want something as warm as the NF Denali go for the more-regular-cut R3 and layer it, or the windproof R4 (which I love) and also layer. Depending on the level of activity, the windproof R4 might be too warm or stuffy. If you're not going to move around a whole lot then DEFINITELY go for a down or synthetic insulation material. The Mountain Hardwear compressors are great and Patagonia have some excellent options in that area too, especially in the down jackets/hoodys...Note to above: the Patagonia down sweater - while thin - is significantly thicker than the R2 and significantly warmer. I would not recommend it for high activity as it will get sweaty and useless *especially* if you're wearing a backpack.

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Patagonia R1 Flash Fleece Pullover - Mens

Patagonia R1 Flash Fleece Pullover - Mens

Rating for this product: 5 January 20, 2009

The interior waffle construction makes this pullover so lightweight and comfortable. The fit and function of this item really do suit it to a large range of use.

-Cool day? Capilene 2 t-shirt and R1 pullover.
-Cold day hiking? Capilene 3/4 shirt and R1 pullover.
-Super cold or windy day? Capilene 4 shirt, R1 pullover, R4 jacket or Lightweight R4 jacket.
-Camping and it's bloody freezing in the tent? Cap 4, R1 pullover, Down Hoody.

Right now I'm sitting at home watching TV and I'm wearing this thing. It's the most comfortable and versatile item of clothing I own. I love it. At $115 it's quite pricey though. If you can find it on sale, go for it. At full price, I dunno, but I do really love it!

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Outdoor Research Super Couloir Glove

Outdoor Research Super Couloir Glove

Rating for this product: 4 March 4, 2008

I bought these gloves for snowshoeing, snowboarding and potentially snow camping in the future. I've worn the outer shells a few times, but have always found them way too warm for the activities I've taken part in. When snowshoeing I've always found the inner liners to give just the right amount of insulation and wind chill prevention. Sometimes, when taking a break in the wind I'll put in the outer shells and it's nice to know that I have them in my pack in case of emergency or it gets really cold. As another reviewer mentioned, the soft shell liners really are much better than fleece as it's much harder for snow to stick to it. In addition, the leather grips really do help me with the poles when I'm snowshoeing. Also, they do indeed feel a little long-fingered for a medium when I compared them to other gloves I've had. OR, take note! All in all, great gloves.

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Decent backpacking jacket

Mountain Hardwear Cohesion Jacket - Men's

Mountain Hardwear Cohesion Jacket - Men's

Rating for this product: 4 February 19, 2008

As other reviewers have mentioned, it can get clammy and a little uncomfortable next-to-skin when it's raining. I think the Conduit laminate is at the limit when in a rain-storm in the northwest, it's 60 degrees, and I'm backpacking uphill and sweating! I'm honestly not sure if another jacket would perform better in these conditions unless it had additional elements to the lining that would also increase its weight.

I use this jacket as a rain jacket for 3 season backpacking in the northwest. In summer I wear a convertible (sleeves) thin shirt so that I can roll the sleeves down before putting this jacket on. This increases the comfort significantly and I highly recommend that to others.

For the weight, the jacket is very durable, and at the price it's a very decent backup rain jacket that stuffs inside my backpack very nicely.

If I'm out in the winter, or I *know* I'm going to be wearing a jacket most of the time I will instead take my 3 layer Goretex jacket with more "comfort" features. But that's almost double the weight so it's not a fair comparison to this jacket, which in my opinion is absolutely ideal when it's *probably* not going to rain, but you're sensible and you're taking a rain jacket with you anyway.

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Great pants

Mountain Hardwear Synchro Pant - Men's

Mountain Hardwear Synchro Pant - Men's

Rating for this product: 5 February 18, 2008

One thing I've noticed about Mountain Hardwear is that it's designed for a certain body type: slim, athletic, skinny, whatever you want to call it. So keep that in mind as if you're bulkier then their stuff may be a little tight on you.

These pants are GREAT. They're not "hard shell" in the classic sense so while they're waterproof (in the laminate) they will get damp in prolonged storms, but you'll stay dry inside. The water repellent is really good though so this will rarely happen if you're using these in snow, or they're old and you need to reapply the DWR.

I've been snow shoeing in these with a medium weight baselayer in temperatures of 25-35F and they were perfect. The soft lining of the pant gives additional insulation so in slightly warmer temps I doubt you'd need any baselayer at all. You don't need gaiters and you can sit right on the snow. Perfect for this activity.

If I wasn't out in the snow I'm not sure I'd take them unless I knew it was going to be below 35 degrees and raining a lot. For non-snow and generally cool temperatures (35-50F) I'd probably wear a thin/medium base layer, some sturdy nylon pants, and take a light-weight hard shell in case it rains. There is a slight lack of mobility in these pants that might annoy on a rough trail with a backpack, and articulated pants would probably serve you a bit better. But these pants would suffice for this activity too - they're good all-rounders.

Breathability is excellent, but these are waterproof pants and so you have to expect certain limitations. However, the pants have a soft fleecy lining inside and it's pretty darn hard to feel clammy inside that. And if you're wearing a baselayer then the pants will probably draw the moisture from them. All in all, I think you're likely to be too hot rather than clammy. The side zips are awesome for cool down - I love the low profile zippers.

All in all, I absolutely love these pants. While others consider whether conditions will require their noisy hard shells, I just put these pants on and don't worry about it.

Mountain Hardwear, thank you.

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Decent Jacket

Mountain Hardwear Synchro Softshell Jacket - Men's

Mountain Hardwear Synchro Softshell Jacket - Men's

Rating for this product: 5 February 18, 2008

In my opinion, this is not a rain jacket, and that should be obvious to anyone. It doesn't have a hood (although they make a version with a hood if you want that) and the lack of hard-shelliness will eventually make it get damp although *you* won't get damp because of the internal laminate. So don't buy this if you're looking for a traditional "rain jacket".

However, this is damn near the perfect spring/fall jacket to wear out around town, quick hike, dog park, and anywhere that it *might* rain and you won't be stuck out in a downpour for 2 days.

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Good jacket

Mountain Hardwear Compressor PL Jacket - Men's

Mountain Hardwear Compressor PL Jacket - Men's

Rating for this product: 4 February 18, 2008

This jacket is ideal for when you don't want to get a thin down jacket because you're afraid it will get a little wet and the down will be useless. I use this jacket around town on chilly evenings when it's not raining hard and I love it. I also take it when I go mountain biking and it's raining as it doesn't matter what you do - your mid layer will get damp in places. As a backpacking warmup jacket (for camp, not actually backpacking) I recommend down instead purely because a slightly lighter down jacket (800 fill or more) will be significantly warmer than this jacket. Check out the Patagonia Down Sweater (not "Jacket") for the ultimate in lightweight, compressible, make-me-warm technology.

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I Love this jacket

Patagonia Down Sweater Jacket - Men's

Patagonia Down Sweater Jacket - Men's

Rating for this product: 5 February 15, 2008

This is the most amazing jacket I have ever owned. For the weight, it is the warmest thing in the world. Warmer than the sun! Maybe not that warm, but you get the idea.

I also have the Mountain Hardwear Compressor jacket, which is Primaloft, and this jacket is much warmer and quite a bit lighter. It also compresses more. Just don't buy it and wear it in the rain like all those idiots I see in downtown Seattle wearing their The North Face down jackets, OK?

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