Stoic Welder Trigger Mitt

First, I should say these are a good quality glove. The softshell is nice, the leather is high quality. The gauntlet is great, I much prefer outer gauntlets than fiddling with my jacket over my gloves. Tightening and loosening the gauntlet is easy with the draw cords, and there's even a rigid shell to keep them straight over your cuffs. The liners are ok, though I have my own glove liners I prefer (either thin wool gloves for not so cold or thick fleece gloves for cold). I've had these down to 15F night skiing and been perfectly happy; they do the job and do it well.

What confuses me about these gloves, though, is the three-finger/pseudo-mitt design. In theory it's great, you have a mix of the dexterity of a glove with your pointer finger free but the warmth of a mitten with your remaining three fingers bunched together for warmth. But...the inside of the glove lining has the remaining three fingers separated by nylon lining inside the shell. This isn't the wool liner glove, it actually is the sewed in nylon lining of the softshell. It is impossible to hold your three fingers together in the mitt part because there is a glove sewed inside there, which boggles my mind. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the mitt? It eliminates the warmth bonus, anyway. I even thought about tearing the seams out and re-sewing it, but it's just sewed in there too tight.

So...this is a good glove that somehow manages to eschew the benefits of the three-finger design due to a stupid, stupid design decision. It is a good glove and I'll keep it and use it for that, because it's still pretty warm, but it's not as warm as it could be. The sacrifice of the last three fingers isn't a big deal because I don't really use them independently anyway, but keeping them seperated inside the mitt still leaves me wondering what could have been...

For my first pair of decent quality gloves I was looking to get Hestra's 3 finger but it was not available in my size, so gave these a crack. Quality is fair at best - first time I put them on one end of the elastic came out of the leather tab they are sown into and shot into the glove, took 10mins to fish it out, tied them all in a knot so it won't happen again. Now, the release for the elastic has come free, so tightening is a 2-handed job, and I have been boarding with them for only 2 weeks. The "talon grip" is a furphy, my finger slips back below the tip, but the dexterity is adequate for boarding.

Having said that, my hands are warm (-5 to -10 degC before wind chill), usually without using the liners. With liners they go over my wrist guards and the fit is firm but comfortable. I still would be prepared to pay a bit more for Hestra in the hope of better quality.

This is an updated review after having more time with the product. I liked them quite a bit at first but they have increasingly grown out of favor for me. They have a number of positives: they are warm, I enjoy the mitt/glove combo for warmth with dexterity, the wool liner is a great material and teleing all day in the rain my hands were warm and dry. But the negatives win in this case. They say they run small and they do a bit - I got large and usually get small or medium - but the sizing, for me, is strange. The length of the fingers is generally okay but there is too much bulk in the circumference. Also, there is a light microfleece liner between the shell and the wool pull out liner that makes grabbing very difficult because there are too many layers slipping around between your hand and the desired object. The wool liner is too long and interferes with jacket cuffs making the jacket-glove interface uncomfortable. The positives are really positive but the negatives means I'm ultimately sending these back. Not sure what to get get instead (BD Legend with a separate liner? BD Virago with a separate liner?). We'll see.

Just took 'em up for the first time on a late season trip. With the liners out, the gloves are pretty nice in warmer temps. (It was in the upper 40s/low 50s.) The liners are warm, but don't seem to be anything special. I do like the double draw strings to tighten them, and the design is pretty cool but also keeps the hands free enough to function well.

I dont think these gloves are bad, as some people have said. But you can tell they are a "first run" The wool liner is very warm, but a little "un-finished" - meaning there are some bumps and lines that make the feel; less than comfortable. The outershell is nice, but there are some weird seams on the thumb and index finger; while you have more dexterity than a mitten, it's not as good as you can have in a glove. If you can find them for cheap (over 50% off) I'd get them, but not for full price

Addition after 1 months use: I really tried to find some faults with these, but they are pretty great, other than the sizing (buy 1 [maybe 1.5] size larger) The liner needs to be fiddled with (maybe take it out, wear it, then put it back in the main glove) and then it's comfy, all 3 pairs I have came with the liner all screwed up and folded, and was uncomfortable when I put my hand in. The gauntlet closure is good, and I've never had any snow come in. My hands have never been cold in them, and I found once you get used to the weird seem on the thumb, it actually works. If you see 'em on SAC, definitely worth getting!

I have had these for about a month now. I've taken them out in -10 Colorado back country brutal coldness and warmer sunny days. On the warm sunny days they can almost be too warm. On the super cold days they work quite well and keep my hands plenty warm. Occasionally my index finger will get cold on the really bad days, but you can wiggle it in with the other three fingers and with a little arm swinging to get the blood moving you are set. I dig these gloves. The "talon finger design" is sort of weird, it is the additional leather on the index and thumb that I mention in my initial review. As the glove has broken in that has gotten more manageable. These glove are great, they aren't as dexterous as a pair of Hestras, but they don't cost as much either.

First impressions, they are cut strangely. The thumbs have this weird nub where it looks like they didn't cut the leather right, or their hand model had a massive wart. The liner has the seams on the outside, so they look strange and aren't useful as a stand alone. I was able to transition my splitboard from ride to ski mode and back, so that speaks well for the dexterity. The gauntlet goes nearly half way up my arm, so that is a good thing. I'm looking forward to trying them out in the cold so I can report on the warmth level.

It definitely seems like a first run model. You would think that quality control would have nixed the weird looking thumbs though.

I really like these things when coupled with a stoic welder shell or soft-shell type jacket, because then the gloves can go over the jacket. When paired with something like four square snowboarding jacket or something bulkier, I run into problems because the gloves have the same size opening as alot of bigger jackets. If your getting down and dirty with mother nature you want a good glove jacket seal.

As far as warmth, there pretty toasty been in below zero snow storms with no complaints but an occasional sweaty palm. They hold up much better than your conventional deer skin wool lined chopper does in soggy conditions.
Unlike some of the reviews I like the glove liners I've had no problems with being Cold. You can keep the liners on for fine fingered work. If you get cold your not layering right.

All in all I give em 4 stars 5 If getting the openings were a little smaller and they had the nifty cords useful for not losing them when you slip them off on the chair to see if the boss called.

My very first experience with these mitts resulted in the shock cord snapping out from the leather pull tab on the first glove i pulled out of the shipping bag. Really Stoic? Secondly, i sized up like all the reviews below have suggested but the mitts were still way too small. I ordered XL. One of the mitts I recieved had a size L liner in it while the other had a XL liner!?? Even with the correct liner and mitt combo the mitt was so small it restricted blood flow a bit. Thirdly, they dont seem warm at all (I know, i read the reviews). Definately not what I'd called bomber. I have been snowboarding in a pair of older patagonia expedition gloves for years. They make these Stoic mitts seem like a joke. I got them on SAC for $43, and because of the deal, i would have kept them had the not been defective, screwed up, and sized terribly. they are going back. I absolutely love all my other stoic gear. I am very disappointed with these mitts. oh and I almost forgot... The way the seams are sewn on the tip of the thumb and finger leave a wad of unused and unneeded material that messes with dexterity. More time should have been spent on R&D.

Seems like a good Idea to add the warmth of a mitten to the dexterity of a glove.

The liner is a five fingered glove, so almost all that warmth is lost.

Also they are cut quite a bit small for their size ratings.

The quality seems great otherwise.

I got this on SAC for around $60. I really wanted to like this glove. I've been wanting to try a three finger mitt as my hands get cold in regular gloves and I don't like full on mittens. I've been looking at the Hestra XCR three finger glove but saw this and thought I'd give them a try.

As many have already mentioned...these run real small. I usually wear medium and that's what I ordered. I can hardly create a fist. I can see my hands cramping trying to grip anything.

The description on backcountry.com doesn't refer to prima-loft insulation but the description on the stoic website states it has prima-loft insulation and wool liners. I talked to backcountry and asked them if this mitt has some prmaloft insulation. They said they believed it did according to the stoic description. As far as I can tell, I don't believe there is any prima-loft. However, there seems to be a polyester inner lining in addition to the removable wool lining. So there is some insulation, I just don't think its any type of fiber-fill type. I suspect that the shell alone would be warm enough for some warm spring skiing/boarding.

The inner lining is actually a pain in the butt. The inner lining is actually a glove type, i.e. the attached inner lining is not a three finger type but has all four fingers. The issue I ran into was that the tip of the fingers were not attached/adhered to the shell so as you pull out the removable wool lining, the fingers of the non-removable lining gets pulled out or twisted and then its nearly impossible to reinsert the removable wool liner. I had to take of the removable wool lining off my hands and individually straighten out the fingers of the non-removable poly liner. So if I take of the mitts chances are that I'm going to have to remove the wool liners from my hands and spend time screwing around fixing the attached poly liner. I tried taking the mits on and off a number of times and it happened enought to be noticible.

The double helix closures work fine. However, I would have liked some sort of idiot straps or at least loops to attach wrist lanyards.I'm going to send these back. Even if the mitts didn't have the issues I noted above, the glove is much smaller than the indicated size.

So, let me start by saying that i was really looking for a waterproof glove. And when it comes to that, Stoic delivers for sure. The glove has some great features, like 2 cinch cords (one for the wrist, and one for the gauntlet), the extra long gauntlet is really nice. They look really cool... and they have removable liners.

The liners: The liners are very thick, and seem very warm, but i've never had to use them, because the shell with a much smaller liner was just fine for all of this season. The liners are also sort of scratchy, not too great, but its ok, because any other liner will work with it. One thing i do have to say is that if the weather gets warm, and you dont have a liner on, the fabric on the inside of the shell (while comfy) makes it hard to get a sweaty hand in and out. To combat this i wore thin wicking linings, and it made everything better.

The Interior: As mentioned above the shell interior has some kind of fabric... i guess micro fleece? it's pretty comfy, but in the mit part, theres this really thin piece of fabric separating the fingers... it's sort of unnecessary and annoying, but not that big of a deal., i suppose if it really bothered you, you could cut it out? ... maybe thats not a good idea though.

Functionality: Well this mis is definitely warm and waterproof (i ran my hand under the faucet for a while). The freed index finger obviously allows for more movement, but the way the index finger is stitched up is sort of funky, its stitched down the middle, so you are left with some extra fabric, and a pointy finger, its hard to explain, but it doesn't really allow for all the articulation a well designed glove would. It's not terrible though, i was able to do simple tasks i.e. zipper my jacket, adjust my helmet, get out my phone.. but you might have a hard time doing smaller things like... i don't know, picking up a nail? I suppose i should also mention the gauntlet has this neat little plastic thing in it that helps the gauntlet stay straight, really a great idea. The gauntlets are also nice and long to keep the snow out.

Other things: Man, do these gloves look B.A. definitely the coolest looking gloves I've had. One thing though, you know those straps that go on you're wrist to stop you from dropping the gloves when you take them off? they aren't present on these mits... and i just don't understand why... I suppose you could attach a loop to the cinch lines... but they should have just included one. Also, the two cinch cords arent distinguishable, i found that a little annoying, but thats easily fixed.

Bottom Line: a great glove, that wont disappoint, but for over $100, i expect every detail to be attended to, and it wasn't.

At first I was very skeptical about these mitts but I used them boarding for a few days and couldnt be happier.

Just tried them on for the first time, they definitely run small, most XL's are too small for me, and these are too. The wool liner is not the most comfortable liner ever, but if you take it out the gloves are bigger and more comfortable, but not as warm. If your hands aren't sensitive to wool the liners will be fine for you.

Haven't had a chance to these in the field yet, but first impressions are.... well, 3/5 stars.

PROS: They look sweet, the materials seem high qual, and the double helix closure is nice (not sure how practical though).

CONS: The most notable thing to be aware of when buying is that these do run small (other posters have mentioned this as well). I had to return my L for XL, and they still *just* fit. Buy a size up to avoid having to pay multiple shipping fees for exchanges. Also, as another poster mentioned, there are weird stays in the cuff that run along the forearm, and while they don't get in the way, I'm not sure what they're there for.

I'm hoping these babies are nice and toasty. I'll soon find out...

Pulling these out of the bag, I liked 'em. Unfortunately, the thumbs are way too short for me (and I don't have monkey hands).They look great. The wool liners fit well. The velcro attachment between the liner and the glove didn't seem completely secure, but without wearing them for a while, I can't say for sure.Sadly, I'm returning them. Perhaps the next iteration will fit better.

All in, this is a great glove for the person (me) who can't always afford the Hestra trigger mitt. The wool liner is a very nice touch and the glove dries quickly when disassembled. I didn't find the thumbs to be too short, though I agree that they may run a touch small to the size chart. For $65 on Steepandcheap, I think these compare very favorably to other options.