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January dawn patrols and high-alpine ascents call for warm, dynamic protection: say hello to the high loft fleece-insulated Stoic Welder Hi Softshell Jacket. The Welder Hi’s fully-welded winter-weight sofsthell material bolstered by high-loft fleece acts as a insulating shelter from elements, while maintaining four-way stretch mobility and highly breathable, weather-shunning protection. The Welder Hi’s fully-adjustable hood makes room helmets when for when you’re tooling away on an alpine climb, and the hood compresses to fit over a beanie without limiting vision for in-bounds ski days.
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For real. I finally had to when my wife and I were making caramel, and I got some on the sleeve, and it came right off! The fit is perfect for a SLIM athletic build. I'm 6' 160 lbs and a medium fits me perfect. I can't want to get out in the nastiness with it!
some have said that this jacket is a better replacement-or cheaper substitute for the arc'teryx hercules. I absolutely disagree. Polartec powershield high loft laminates the fleece lining to the softshell material while the fleece lining of this jacket is sewn in-consequntly the fleece bunches up on you and the softshell material can snag easy. the softshell material doesnt feel like it uses a perforated membrane like powershield-The jacket wet out from light snow the first time I used it-i had to take the jacket off and put my Gamma mx-alot thinner jacket but kept me dry. I spilt some food on the sleeve of the jacket and had to rub the sleeves-where the seams are welded togethor-the welding began to come undone. Arc'teryx doesnt weld any main seams because the company has found that welding actually decreases the materials strength. If welding was so great-why doesnt arc'teryx have any completely welded jackets. the articulation is horrible as well-try on any well designed climbing jacket-while you are wearing a climbing helmet you should be able to look all the way up and all the way down without the jacket constricting you-i could not look all the way up or down without unzipping the jacket. Ive never had to do this in a rab, montbell or arc'teryx jacket. and the hand pockets are not accessible while wearing a harness-what the crap is that about! Why have a picture of a guy wearing a helmet if this jacket really doesnt function as a climbing jacket. Overall the jacket is weak. it wets out easy-even in dry utah snow, the fleece is sewn in, not laminated to the shell material, and the welding is subpar-
I feel like your jacket is faulty somehow...I have the 2010 model and it's fantastic. No problems with it wetting out or delam-ing or anything like that. I use it in Upstate NY, so it's been in plenty of drizzle and snow. It won't hold up to * lot* of water, but snow is certainly no problem for it, and drizzle is fine for an hour or so (it dries quickly too). But I agree that movement is pretty restricted, especially your head. On one hand, zipping it up all the way with the hood up makes you feel snug and warm. On the other hand, it makes it harder to look down. The zipper stops right below my nose (I'm 6' 0", 160 lbs, but I'm all legs and no torso...my backpack size is between an S and XS! I ordered the L and it's perfect in the arms but a little long in the torso and too baggy around the torso).
This answer is speculation because everyone is so different and it depends on what type of activity your are doing. I would say most people would be in the high 20's to low 30's F.
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I had a few reservations about this jacket's performance in the wind and its water-proofing after reading a few of the other reviews. Just got back from Wolf Creek Colorado and the jacket held up marvelously in 20-30 mph gusts. Forecast was 18 degrees with -15 wind chill and I was cozy in my Welder Hi and a base layer from REI. Hood function is fantastic--fit over the helmet when I wanted it, and the drawstrings let me close it up when I wasn't wearing it so it didn't fill up with snow. Didn't notice any problems with waterproofing but the snow wasn't real wet. Collar had plenty of space to come up over my face and shield it on the lift, so I didn't need to wear a gator. Super comfortable, light-weight performance in some pretty chilly conditions. I won't ride with anything else now.
As far as fit, I wear Large in just about everything, (16.5 34/35 shirts, 42 regular Suit Coat) and the Large fits perfectly.
Got this jacket on Steep and Cheap for $99 but was planning on paying much more for it. the best feature is the welder fabric. It is much softer to the touch than softshell fabrics from other brands, but does not seem to be less durable. The fleece inside is also super-soft. The hood does fit over a ski helmet, but it is a pretty tight fit.
President's day weekend at Telluride allowed me to test in a wide variety of conditions, from 40 and sunny to driving wind and snow. Even in crazy wind at the top of the mountain, I was comfortable with just a mid-wight base-layer. But I didn't get overheated at the base either.
Movement is good because of the fabric; the lack of a powder skirt is noticeable; and it does a pretty good job repelling water. I am 5'7" 180 lbs and wear size large in this jacket.
Use a front-loading washer on a delicate cycle with cold water and a good specialty down detergent. Then into the dryer on low with a couple of clean tennis balls in there with it. I would take it out a few times during the dryer cycle to fluff it up, even with the tennis balls in there. Fluff it up again after it is finished drying.
Once the sustained winds hit about 30-35 mph this thing starts leaking wind pretty bad. I really wanted to love the jacket when I had it but I just couldn't convince myself to keep it. It worked great when it was snowing and was great for getting around town when I wasn't playing in the snow. The outer material was tough and stretched adequately. Tough enough to not worry about trees and rocks ripping holes in it during "typical" ski use.
As other reviewers note this jacket is very "athletic" fitting. I could fit a thin baselayer (IB 200g/m2 wool shirt) but I think a medium baselayer would be too constricting. I'm 6' and 180lbs and wore a large. The hood, length, torso and sleeve length was great, it was primarily the sleeve tightness that bothered me.
Jacket is great if your in low wind, above 0 conditions. I wouldn't want to be on an exposed ridgeline and depend on this to keep me warm...
Just picked the jacket up from SAC and so far impressed. The weather has started to cool off and I can hang out on the porch when it is 20 degrees and not worry about getting cold. This jacket appears to be well constructed (haven't truly tested it yet) and is definitely very warm. The pockets are usable and the hood is not obtrusive. The hood doesn't seem big enough to house a helmet, but it is adjustable and comfortable. The velcro closures on the wrists should be enough to keep the majority of snow out. I think that my main parka is going to get lonely this winter... I am also happy that stoic put the pit zips in. The material is breathable, but sometimes those pits just need some air! The put zips are mesh lined so you won't fill your side with snow when you eat it on those warmer days. The jacket seems a little heavy but it does replace 2 layers with 1 for backcountry play so it really isn't too bad.
Bottom line: I'm impressed and I have started recommending Stoic clothing to friends. I have been looking at their other products for something that I like so much I could convince myself I need it.
Definitely better than an Arc'teryx Hercules. I can't see any way to improve this jacket other than removing the sleeve pocket, just because I'm not going to use it.
Perfectly compatible with same-size Norrona hard shells.
Arc'teryx hercules/hyllus uses polartec power shield O2. One of polartec's newer fabrics that has a unique balance of breathability and warmth. The cut of the hyllus is much more articulated and the jacket itself weighs significantly less. The hyllus imo also has much better design, colors, and style. On the down side fewer pockets, no pit zips, and a 100 dollar arc'teryx logo mark up.
I think the added breathability of polartec O2 fabric and the excess pockets on this jacket, make the two downsides of the hyllus relatively irrelevant. Stoic makes some great products, but in this case arc'teryx takes the cake.
I'd been looking for a good coat for months, and originally bought the Marmot Vertical. It wasn't as warm as I'd hoped though and I ended up returning it and getting this one due to all the great reviews.
When it first arrived, I'll admit I felt a little let-down. The material feels very unique... almost cheap. But I just took it skiing up at Sundance this morning, and it was fantastic! I stayed surprisingly warm. (I was only wearing long underwear and a t-shirt underneath.) I was able to move so freely, it was almost like I just had a hoodie on.
I'm looking for a measurement on the main zipper for the Medium and/or Large sizes. I have the Welder Lo in Medium and it fits me well enough. If this jacket has the same dimensions I may need to order a size up.
Suddenly one of my favortie jackets. I love that the hood is insulated, sheds water very well, and fits perfectly. Im 5'10", 140 and a medium fits really good. On my last snowboarding trip wore this and a merino base layer and was completely content. Long lift ride? Just pull an the insulated hood for a chill free ride. Only complaint is the cinching system for the hood. It comes loose over time but it can easily be remedied with a couple cordlocks.
I picked up this jacket from SAC and couldn't be happier with it. I basically live in this jacket. All my gearhead friends are super jealous. It has a great form fitting cut which is spot on for me(Medium: 5'10" 160lbs). If you need to layer, I would size up. So far I haven't had a need to layer though. It has been breathable enough to wear in the 40s and still warm enough in the 20s with just a t-shirt underneath. We will see how the welder will holds up when it dips into the teens and below. Now my only gripe is with the hood, as it does not fit well over my Giro helmet. But then again it's a Giro. Other then that, I'm very happy with Stoic and hope BC.com continues to add to the line-up.
okay, sick deal on SAC. the question is, i'd like to use this at mammoth where it gets WINDY and snow can be fairly wet. is this the jacket for me? (i have a down cloudveil for the cold cold days). is this the complementary jacket to my cloudveil for warm or cool WINDY days? thx
6' and 190lb the large was way too tight with a t-shirt and polartec layer. Chest is tight and arm holes are way too small, but arms are quite long. I returned the L and ordered an XL hope the arms are not too long. Can't wait because I love the liner. This liner is really unusual for a softshell--after seeing it, I would love a waterproof hard shell with this liner.
Follow-up! After upsizing to an XL, still too tight in the chest. I want this jacket, but will now have to try an XXL. love all the details and materials, but this would only be usable with a t-shirt.
This jacket is truly awesome, exactly like all of the other 46 people said. The fleece lining is toasty warm, the soft shell will repel anything short of a thunderstorm, and the gray and orange color combination looks great. You must size up, I'm 6'5", 225 and the XXL fits me like my other XLs. I got mine from geartrade.com for 80% off, I definitely recommend looking there first.
So I found one of these for a great deal, and snatched it up. I would recommend you do the same! I am about 6', 190lbs fairly athletic build, and I usually wear large in most stuff, and even though I probably should have sized up, I went for the large because I got it for so cheap. I also have one of their bombshell insulated jackets in an XL, and I like the fit of the XL better, but I am still able to wear the welder hi very comfortably with no restriction, with little to no layering under it. All of that said, this is one of my favorite jackets I've ever worn. It's pretty water resistant, I mean its great for most snow conditions, but its no rain shell, but then again its not trying to be. It absolutely blocks the wind, and I was wearing it in serious blizzard conditions with just a base layer and a cap 3 mid layer and was more than warm enough, I was playing around in the snow with some friends and nearly worked up a sweat in 0 degree weather, over a foot of fresh powder and wind gusts up to 70mph. So I would say if you aren't sure about the sizing, size up one, or if you like the technical athletic fit just go for it. Either way you need this jacket, its well built, does exactly what it says it will(and then some) and so far has been very durable, overall I love all of my Stoic gear.
Bought this off of SAC. It's probably the best jacket I've owned. Keeps me warm in the 30's with just a t-shirt underneath. Great on the slopes without being too bulky or too warm. Probably the most versatile and comfortable piece of clothing I own.
2 questions: 1. Any chance of these having a powder skirt or thumb-loops like the bombshell anytime soon so can be used for skiing?
2. How does the welder hi material compare to Schoeller WB400, windstopper softshell and polartec powershield in terms of warmth, breathability and waterproofness?
No idea about the schoeller, but it will breathe better than windstopper, but not as well as powershield. As for warmth, it's got a high loft (300 equivalent) fleece bonded to the inside, so it's pretty warm, and is incomparable to powershield or windstopper, as they are just shell materials. It's winter weight softshell, so it repels snow well, about the same as powershield, but not as well as windstopper. It's softshell, so keep in mind that it's NOT waterproof.
A great winter jacket for a variety of different pursuits. It works great to simply wear over a t-shirt and cruise around town but with a couple layers can just as easily be used for very cold weather situations. Water beads off in almost all rain conditions and snow can't touch it. Its windproof like a champ and the hood is great for keeping your face toasty. My one small complaint is that the insulation can be slightly restrictive with certain types of fleece layers. It might simply be that I'm putting too many layers on, but it can feel a little tight especially in the arms. All in all, an awesome everyday winter jacket. The slim fit looks great too.
I just bought the Stoic Luft Insulated Sweater and it's awesome. I also bought the Stoic Welder Insulated Softshell Jacket and it's great too. They are a perfect complement to one another and I was comfortable in 40 degree weather without wind as well as 10 degree weather with wind gusts of up to 20mph.
My old jacket collected body heat and sweat and that created steam within my jacket. Not only did it look gross to take off my jacket but it meant that I wasnt keeping warm enough. I have not run into this problem with my new Stoic jackets. The Stoic jackets are thinner and more efficient at collecting body heat and dispelling sweat.
Both of my new Stoic jackets look as good as they perform. My friends noticed and complimented me on the Luft jacket looked and also noticed how well made the Welder softshell jacket was. They noticed everything from the heat-sealed/welded seams to the cool design on the jacket. Theyre two well crafted, easy to wear, comfy jackets that are as functional and they are comfortable.
So before going any further this is my preliminary review having just received it and not been out on the mountain with it. First impression. . . it will be warm. That threw me off a little, the weight and build of this jacket puts it in the class of an insulated shell. I initially thought the insulation or loft whatever you call it would be minimal and subtle. It's there and it's there to keep you warm. Thankfully the jacket keeps a very low profile. I'm 6'3" 220 athletic, etc. and the XL fits. If it were a shell I would have to size up so I could get some good layers underneath. With the insulation I will have to rethink my layering approach. . . I'm a sweaty beast as soon as I start moving so I'm wondering how I will match up the layers with this on the outside. Hopefully with the insulation I can eliminate an under layer. If I wear a Calipene 3 fleece underneath everything is good except the chest movement and around the arm pits gets constricted.The construction is top notch but it also leaves room for improvement. I really want an interior chest pocket for an MP3 player LIKE EVERY OTHER JACKET IN THE WORLD. . . I believe the tags in fact mention this but alas it is not there. The drawstrings seem like an after thought. . . thin and small and the cords themselves seem very weak / cheap. The zippers also feel like they will be the first thing to go on the jacket. For the price I'm used to the quality and durability of the bigger brands. The drawstring for the waist is weaksauce and does not cinch down to protect. . . which to me was a big downfall as the jacket has no powder skirt.So I'm sort of on the fence for this one, I really want to like it I will just have to put it through some licks and see. I have a gut feeling I will be returning it, but I want to be wrong. Thankfully and as usual BC has a kick arse return policy and I always leave satisfied.Bottom line. . .needs improvements to make it really stand out and worth the money. If it stands up to the pow and breathes enough in the west coast blue bird days then I'll be happy. But again I think it might be too much jacket and the traditional shell and layer system could be what I go back to.
I would also like to see how the fleece holds up to washing and long term use. Something about it just reminds me of those old swim team parkas. Perhaps it would be better with one of those trimmed fleeces and not so much the monkey fur type fleece.
I've just spent two days going on three in wet stormy conditions and I'm stoked on the jackets performance. The shortcomings are still more prevalent (hood size, no gaiters, no ipod pocket) but the performance is there. I dropped a mid weight fleece due to the heat of the jacket. Grabbing first chair and getting as many fresh laps as I can left me hot and perfect for each lift back up. The cinch cords for the waist are not strong, but the jackets length kept me all gravy in the deep stuff.
I actually though there was no mp3 pocket as well--I spent a whole day running my tunes to my pant pocket. But check the right interior right chest pocket (pictured on the sight) lo and behold, there is an access point for your audio. Hope that helps you enjoy this sweet soft shell even more.
Tried this jacket on today in the large and medium. I am often a Med, but with this was comfy in the Large. Perfect jacket for nearly everything I do under 50 degrees Fahrenheit.
Got this off SteepandCheap and like another user commented on, it is a total steal. When i first put it on the shell didnt feel that well made, but i wore it outside and on a 10 degree day with a cold win, i was comfortably warm. I normally wear a medium but i got a large and it fits perfect
Hey, a backcountry chat rep recommended me the Welder Insulated, but I didn't like the silky smooth lining of that jacket. This looks like it's pretty much the same, but with a fleece lining (possibly warmer?).
I have a Mountain Hardware Monkey Man jacket, and that's pretty much the warmest jacket I've ever used. However, the wind rips right through it. I'm looking for a single layer solution...is this it? The Patagonia R4 is pretty sweet too, but a little less warm than the Monkey Man (but totally windproof). Is this going to be as warm as the Monkey Man or R4?
Also, I'm 6'0" and 160 lbs. I have a M in the Monkey Man, and that fits me super snug around the torso, but isn't long enough in the arms or torso. I'm guessing I should go with the L in this? Any chance the gray will come back in stock?
Just got this from SAC yesterday, and took in on a morning lap on Mansfield. Single digits, light wind, and just a thin wool base layer. This jacket rocks--warm, perfect fit (i got a large, 6' 165), slim but room to move. It was great on the uphill, but a little breezy on the downhill. It was around 5 degrees, though.
For just over 100 shipped from SAC, it's likely the best deal I've ever found, and I'm a cheap SOB when it comes to gear. Definately my new go-to jacket for touring and uphill laps. Another reviewer was right, though, on a windy ridge you would probably want another windblocking layer, at least on your chest.
A fitted, no nonsense shell that is very comfortable, great style points, and practical.
I wasn't sure about this coat, and am still testing it to see how I feel. I really need some serious weather to put it to the test. It's pretty good for the water resistance, I needed something here in Central PA that would stand up to our miserable drizzle-freeze-yuck winters.
Don't expect it to perform in a downpour though, it appears that it will stop beading after a while.The overall build quality is very good, I don't see any flaws so far.
One thing that concerns me is the hood adjustments are easy to cinch down, but restoring them is a little bit of a pain because they use these foam stops that the pull-cord is threaded through. You pull and the pressure holds it there, so to 'undo' it you have to move the foam down, hold it and pull the string back to release the tension. At least, (unless I am doing something wrong?), this appears to be the case. No biggie though, just wanted to mention it. I also wish the zippers were top down, not bottom up zips for water reasons, but maybe I'm just being too picky?
Today was 27° F, 79% humidity, with a windchill of 22° F. I was wearing a tee, jeans, knit hat, gloves, hiking boots and my Stoic Welder. I went for a walk (4 mph) and at the end I was heating up a little but not sweating. So it seems to be doing what it is supposed to: Keeping me warm and dry without overheating. [Before I started the walk, I felt warm.]It's a little weird at first because the jacket is so thin (and yes very fitted. I am 5'11" 200 lbs athletic and got a large. I can fit a sweater and tee underneath but I lose some movement in the arms) that it really makes you question if it is going to keep you warm on cold days. The winds have not been violent yet, but on noticeably windy days I cannot feel it penetrate.The jury is still out. I want to see on a day in the 'teens if I can sit out side inactive for a bit and find out if this will keep me warm. Until then, I stand by 4 stars. Minus 1 star because I am just not sure of it yet.
[UPDATE] I have had this in the teen weather, gusty winds and it's amazingly warm. On another occasion I was out standing still for a couple of hours with only a light thermal layer and was getting a chill, I realized I had left the pit zips open. So, my concerns about keeping me warm have been assuaged, but I am not sure I am totally sold on this jacket yet so I'll keep the 4 star rating for now. There is room for improvement as others have mentioned and my new concern is abrasion resistance. I am not entirely worried about a zipper failing because of the lifetime warranty, but I am worried about a snag on a thorn ruining this coat, and with the winters we get here it can be really rainy so I am not sure under what conditions this will keep me dry.[/UPDATE]
I love this jacket!! does extremely well in both wind and water! I think someone mentioned how quiet this jacket is compared to some softshells and I couldn't agree more. Its very quiet while moving. only small issues i have with it, i wish it was about an inch longer. Everything aspect as far as fit is perfect. another, though I dont think it is too much of an issue, is the pit zips seem to rub a bit while swinging your arms back and forth... It may cause some unwanted wear on the jacket.
I bought this on SAC for $100 and am extremely happy that I did. It's crazy warm for a softshell. It's exactly what i was looking for. I needed something for the day when my old TNF softshell wasn't warm enough and the Stoic Welder Hi is a perfect fit for that. The pitzips, welded seams and hood are nice bonuses. The material is a little different than I'm used to but it feels nice. It's smoother than my other softshell.
I like the longer sleeves and back. I'm 6'0" and 175 lbs and the large fits perfect. I would suggest that if you are borderline between two sizes choose the larger of the two.
I would have a hard time justifying buying this for the $299 msrp but at $99 it's a steal.
Haven't worn it in super-wet conditions but I wore it in temp range of 8-29 skiing at was comfortable throughout thanks to fleece and hood over helmet for cold temps and pit zips for warm. My eVent shell has been demoted to the wettest days only due to it's lack of windproofness compare to this jacket. Also the hood is great under my Smith helmet. Not the usual egghead look. One minor gripe is that the neck material could be more flexible to allow more mobility when hood is over helmet.
I have this jacket and love it but it's time to give it a wash, I remember that the tag had wash instructions but the problem is I am in another country. Can someone post the wash instructions so I don't mess this great coat up.
wash instruction state.... Wash me often for best performance. a common misperception out there is to not wash technical jackets, but washing jackets, helps to revive the DWR treatment.
wash with Nikwax techwash, or if another country a delicate wash (no surfactants). DWR treatment may be needed after a few washes, use a spray on nikwax softshell proofing. this will make the surface bead up water, and breath better.
Another great Stoic product - perfect for the Wasatch weather. This is my third Stoic coat and the fit is great - 6'4" 195 lbs with a 36-37 in wingspan for an XL. The chest doesn't leave you swimming despite the XL size for those of us with orangutan arms and a fit midsection. You won't be disappointed.
I wear this jacket snowboarding at The Canyons on days where it's not too cold. For the really cold days I still fall back on my Foursquare jacket. The insulation on the inside is really soft and nice. The only negative is that the sleeves are really long, to the point of being annoying. I'm 6'0 and 165 lb's and I had to return the medium for a large.
The Welder is the fire sauce. The fleece liner is so comfortable against bare skin that I find myself turning off the heat inside just so I can slip inside the jacket's comfy interior. The jacket stretches if it needs to but the fit is so great it rarely has need. The hand pockets are very warm if you go out with naked hands. The welder and I together laugh at Mother Nature. She has used all her tactics including rain, snow, cold, high winds, sleet, and all of those in combination. I normally get cold fairly quickly in the 0 degree F wind chill days but this jacket won't allow it. Water doesn't bead but I can't complain as I don't get wet and the jacket doesn't seem wet. My one neg is the lack of tune pod compatibility. I have thought about putting a hole behind the breast pocket to run my tune cord but I haven't because my Jacket is still pristine after a couple months of daily action and abuse. I copped the XL and it fits my 6'2" $2.10 frame perfectly. I think I have fairly long arms and the sleeves are the perfect length. They allow me to move around comfortably and don't expose my wrists to the nippy winter gusts. I can even slip my Stoic Insulated Sweater under it comfortably but I haven't really needed to with this jackets warmth.
This jacket is fantastic! I'm 5'10, 170, and I opted for a Large, even though regularly I'd wear a medium. The large fits great, not too bulky, but feels like I have room to move. The fleece inside is super warm, and while we haven't had record cold weather this week, I still wear it to walk the dog at night with just a t-shirt (20's or 30's.) Can't wait to test it out in extreme conditions. I mostly wrote this for those of you in between sizes (as I was), I'd size up rather than down.
I look at this jacket every time it's on SAC, and now I'm even drooling over it on Backcountry with everyone's great reviews.
My question relates to sizing. I am a pretty regular guy, 5'10", 165 lbs. I am thin, but, the way people describe this coat, it's like you have to be a marathoner for it to fit you correctly.
What size should a 5'10" regular guy get? I like the athletic fit of a coat, but I don't want to feel like a mummy. I order mediums in most things, but, maybe a large for this coat?
Go for the large. I'm 6' 155 and it fits really well with room for layering. I had the same question and just went large looking at everyones comments. GO FOR IT. The medium would be a mummy on you without a doubt, no room for anything.
Just got this jacket off of SAC for a killer deal...definitely pumped about that! The fleece on the inside of the jacket feels like a blanket of sweet nectar soothing my frigidly wind blown skin back to life after a day of rippin' it up. Best part is, the hood is lined with the fleece and it definitely feels awesome! Run a bit slim fitting, but looks slick as hell.
Just got this jacket off of SAC for a killer deal...definitely pumped about that! The fleece on the inside of the jacket feels like a blanket of sweet nectar soothing my frigidly wind blown skin back to life after a day of rippin' it up. Best part is, the hood is lined with the fleece and it definitely feels awesome! Run a bit slim fitting, but looks slick as hell.
I'm 6'3" and have the XL. . . if I wear the sleeves over my gloves and I stretch out they come short about 1/2 an inch. In terms of length it's about perfect but falls short as the cinch cords are weak and it has no powder skirt. . . so not good for tall guys in the deep fluff. . . I've got this jacket and have just ordered the Bombshell in an XL to see how they stack up. Bombshell has powder skirt, wrist gaiters, and a media pocket. . . all features that this jacket is begging for. Give em a bottle of Jack and lock em in a closet and see what happens.
I wore this jacket during my summit to Kilimanjaro. The temp was ~10 F, 30 mph winds, and light mist, but this jacket kept me warm and dry and didn't cause me to overheat on the way to the top. I even wore it to bed on a particularly cold night on the mountain. Very comfortable, but as already mentioned, the fit is trim. I'm 6'2", 220 and the XL fits me perfectly with room for 2 extra layers underneath. It isn't 100% windproof, but if you keep moving, you'll stay warm. Great jacket.
The jacket seems well-designed and fits well enough (6'4", 170 lbs., got the large, and my only complaint re. fit is that I can't keep the cuffs over my short gloves; will need to wear it with gauntlets next time). It's pretty slim and does look a little funny with heavy layers underneath. The color known as "Deep" is what I'd call "teal." It's not as blue as it looks in the Backcountry.com pic. The shell material is light and soft -not stiff. I bought it for Tele and snowboard, and when I'm bundled up, it's a little snug and minimal. It doesn't fit like a typical downhill ski parka. I found I liked it better for cold xc touring (rather than for resort days), when I can get by with fewer layers underneath (pic -probably -7F at over 9000'). Sitting on a chairlift at Snowmass, I could feel some wind through it, it seemed, and it was a fairly mild day (low 20's?). I would say it's very breathable, and plenty water-resistant for most purposes. In my personal opinion, it (like most Stoic gear) looks a bit too techy to stand in for street-wear.
The Welder Hi uses a supple high pile/loft fleece as both insulation and lining. The Welder Insulated gets its insulating ability from 100g of synthetic (polyester micofiber) insulation and is lined with a buttery soft nylon taffeta material.
The Welder Insulated would provide more insulation (warmth). Hard to match the furry goodness of the Welder Hi's lining, though. Can't go wrong with either choice.
So here's the skinny. I bought this coat the 18th of November (I reviewed it below), had it all set to RMA before the S&C 30 day return. It was sitting in the bag. I was on the fence. I even brought it to the FEDEX place to return it, but something wouldn't let me go. The 17th, the temps dropped down into the teens. My old coat just was not cutting it. So I ripped into that return bag, and have been happy ever since.
Seriously. All I have been wearing is a tee and this coat during the work week. Today was some sledding with the kids (wind chill puts us at 14 F, 87% humidity). I was wearing some thin thermal underwear, jeans, boots, gloves and the Welder. I originally had my hat on but then just went to the Welder hood. I was toasty. My rear was cold but the torso was great. It breathes really well.
The key thing about this coat is it has excellent wind protection. Again, this is an athletic fit. Size up if you think you'll be in the sub-zero's most of the time so you can add a layer. But honestly if you are at all active outside I am beginning to think this coat can handle it.
5 stars (up from 4) because this coat seriously rocks. I am still concerned about abrasion resistance but time will tell on that issue. For the money (especially if you nab it off of S&C) this coat performs really well.
I've taken to wearing my husbands jacket around the house when it's cold inside. This is the most amazing softshell I've ever worn. Any chance you'll be making one for women? I haven't seen anything similar w/ the lining in the womens line.
just wondering if we'll see a female version of this awesome jacket this season. with all the snow in seattle today, i'm again jealous of my husband's jacket :)
a great vote for more womens styles! i hope there are more women like you out there. there were similar requests last year, for a welder softshell, for women, and it happened this year. rally up some friends, and a womens hi loft softshell could be available for Fall 2010.
I have not yet field tested this jacket, but for just wearing around and doing some light climbing the jacket is great. The fleece is REALLY high loft and quite warm. The sleeves and torso are long which works well for me and the fit is a touch baggier than I would prefer in a Large (6'1" 185). I'll check in again when the nasty weather rolls around and I get to give this jacket a real test.
this jacket holds up to significantly worse conditions than a softshell should. i'll be comfortable in it down to roughly 30 degrees in just a t-shirt. wind will break through it at around 30-40mph, but really that's about what a softshell should be good for. this thing is more averse to water than a cat with anxiety issues. the only reason i don't give it 5 stars is because the draw strings are too lightweight to really do anything, and the cut of it tends to be a bit to small, i'm 5'10" around 165lbs and a medium fits me with almost no room to spare, i would've gone up to a large had i known this. also the foam locking mechanisms for the hood are a bit strange, but i may swap those out for some spring loaded clamp things.
Any one know how it holds up to washing? I love my mountain hardware monkey fur, but have heard horror stories about washing it and have not washed it yet. The hi loft lining is very monkey fur-esque, and my softshells typically see heavy use and need to be washed.
I also assume something like a wash-in softshell proof would be out down the road with the lining? thanks
washing is encouraged. wash with a tech wash, or a delicate soap. softshell treatment is also advised one or twice a season to max the dwr and water replellency, depending on use. wash in is not advised on any softshells, since you want the exterior to repel, but you want the lining to wick moisture away, and drive to the outer surface.
durability of the hi loft- zip the jacket up and wash right side, exterior out. and a hint to help with your monkey fur - wash it with monkey fur side inside, and this minimizes pilling.
Having tried some other backcountry.com shells in the past (which the new Stoic label is) you will have to go a size up from what you are used to. I normally go with an XL, I'm 6'2" 235 athletic build with broad shoulders and bigger arms and I would have had no chance in an XL, so I went with the XXL.I got the jacket and like it a lot, very comfortable (the monkey phur-ish lining is very soft), it looks even better in person and generally I like the fit. However, the arms are fairly narrow, minus a star for that. The added fleece lining of the jacket definitely takes the place of the light mid-layer I would wear with just a shell. MAJOR TIP - I was ready to return this jacket b/c with my merino layers the fleece liner was really grabby and killed my range of motion, I just felt stiff. Before I gave up I threw on a smooth polyester wicking layer as the last layer before the jacket. It made all the difference in the world. Its a solid jacket now.I can't speak to the weather resistance yet. The hood will only fit a low profile helmet. I wear a Bern hard hat in an XL, anything bigger won't fit.I will update my review after I get a few sessions in it
The jacket rules. Temperature range is super broad. I couldn't believe it, I'd be comfortable in a doctor's lobby to single digit temps at the Bird. I was hesitant to buy an insulated softshell. It didn't make sense to me. Now after several days riding in it I see why, sweat leaves rapidly and you are left nice and cosey. NOTE: It isn't totally wind proof, to be expected (it's a softshell) but I thought I would mention it to anyone out there in gear land. I'm 5'9" 150, I ordered a large after trying on the med. I probably could have gotten away with the M, but didn't want to feel like and ice axe guy.
I ordered a bunch of stoic stuff and this is my second favorite, first being the fleece hoody. At 5'6, 130lbs the fit is slim and can only get a few light layers on under it, which is fine by me. The inside of the jacket is AWESOME, very soft and warm, though I think the cirrus lined one is a little warmer. I ordered the gray and orange and didn't like the color. At $240, it's worth it, but little more than I wanted to spend. I'll definitely keep an eye out for a red one on steep and cheap.
This jacket is quite neat! It's not noisy to walk in (no fabric rustle) and the hood is really awesome and lining is very comfy. The only down side I've found is the waist is quite athletic.. I'm a slightly built bloke but the waist is still quite snug, go up a size if you have any natural waist insulation and want to be able to layer without feeling like a stuffed olive. Pitty the chest pocket doesn't have a headphone access point for the inside, but solid none the less.
Bought this on SAC and was very excited when it arrived. Tried it on and knew it wouldn't work for me. I'm 5'10", 200lbs with an athletic build. I ordered an XL even though the sizing chart says I should be a L. The arm holes and sleeves are too tight unless you are only wearing a t-shirt underneath. The jacket has a nice feel and seems like it would be warm but the zippers and draw cords seem flimsy. Also, it doesn't have a powder skirt or interior pockets. I really wanted to like this especially as an alternative to high priced Arc'Teryx but I quess you get what you pay for. I'm returning it and will stick with my proven brand of choice.
Damn, damn, damn.....just saw this on SAC as I write this and it was even offered in the kiln red in an XL but then I read this review on sizing and thought crap I'll probably be in the same boat as "ersaderajr409643" as I am 6'2" and 220 lbs with a very muscular build. I was very close to pulling the trigger on this jacket but I guess I'll wait till next year to see what goodies BC will bring out then. Remember BC ....give us some pretty colours next year (besides the kiln red).
I got this jacket in early November, and thought it'd be perfect for a damp, cool Pacific Northwest winter. I ended up returning it a week after I bought it.I was totally enamored when I got it--the fleece interior is very soft and very warm, while the softshell exterior is tightly woven and very windproof. I wore it with only a t-shirt underneath in 20-degree temperatures and was comfortably warm on a short walk. However, the fit of the jacket is very weird. I'm 6'2, 190 lbs, and normally wear a large in just about every brand. This jacket fits very tight--the sleeves were the perfect length and the body fit closely. However, the softshell material has next to no stretch, which combined with a tight fit in the shoulders and arms made it difficult to extend my arms. If the fabric had any give to it, it'd be comfortable, but as-is, it's like wearing skinny jeans on your arms. Forget about wearing anything other than a t-shirt underneath, which means it's no good as a ski jacket and useless in anything under about 30 degrees. The solution? Get a fleece and a softshell separately. This jacket tries to combine the two into one, which is pretty much a marketing ploy. There's a reason that the idea of layering has been around forever. It works. You'll save some dough and have two versatile pieces instead of a less-useful hybrid.
What kind of material is this jacket. Last year's version of the Welder jacket was uninsulated, Polartech Powershield material. How about this version?
there are three version of the jacket this year. the closes to last year is the welder low. this version has high loft fleece. the only thing i can compare it to is the mountain hardware monkey fleece. look at the fabric detail pics, its pretty accurate.
Seriously love this jacket. Really warm and every time I put that thing on its like going home at Christmas time and getting a hug from that aunt w/ really big boobs....warm and soft! And you know this!!!!
I just bought this jacket and it's amazingly toasty and comfortable. The insulation is a fleece and it's so soft. The feel of the softshell is amazing and it fits my build great. I'm 6'5 225, I ordered a XXL and it fits me perfectly and doesn't swamp me either. Walking around work here at Backcountry you see a lot of these jackets and there's a good reason because this jacket rocks!! If you purchase this jacket it will be the most comfy jacket you will ever own and is definitely worth the money!
This jacket would be great for wearing on campus. It is very water resistant and the fabric is very soft and quiet. The lining inside is very soft too. You'll dig it.
This jacket is soft, warm, and cozy. I would have loved it if it weren't for the athletic cut, which is very snug around the torso (at least around my torso -- ahem, working on it).
Should I get the Stoic Welder Hi Loft or the Arc'Teryx Hercules Hoody Jacket?
I want a warm, wind resistant, but highly breathable jacket that I can use in cold alpine conditions and snow board. Not sure what to get...I know that the Hercules is very breathable but not as windproof as regular Powershield material jackets (it uses the more breathable O2 Powershield materhan rather than the regular Powershield material). How does this jacket stack up too thhe Hercules and does anyone know what type of softshell material is used in this version of the jacket. Last year's Welder jacket was made of the regular PolarTec Powershield material.
Definitely go with the welder, it's much better than the Hercules and is super warm. This has definitely kept me warm on some cold days, with just a t-shirt, another layer under it is super toasty.
Got the Welder Hi yesterday, sent it back today. I am bummed. The jacket looked great, was comfortable in the torso, and well made. The problem is the arms were too tight. I am 6' 230 with a 48" chest. With just a t-shirt on, my arms were very constricted (shoulder down to forearm). No way to wear any kind of base layer should it be real cold outside. People with 48" chests buying an XL probably have good size arms to match. if you are tall or big in the chest with thin arms, this coat would be great.
Had there been more arm room, I would have loved this jacket. The lining was warm and soft. The shell was not stiff, and very quiet. The extra length in the back was perfect.
I recently purchased the jacket and it's great. However on the tag that came with the jacket it refers to a "mp3 pocket". Am I correct in assuming this is a misprint or am I somehow missing the location of this pocket?
So It's a pretty darn good jacket in tech specs. The XL length is great for my 6'3" 210lb self, but the arms are made for stick figures and the torso is a little baggy. I tried an L first and between it and the XL i think the arm hole diameters are the same (small).
I got if off SAC and so far it's been great. The material is so soft inside and out. It feels like another fleece jacket yet waterproof and wind resistant. Definitely recommended.
I was a little on edge concerning a few details of this Jacket. I had wanted the old Backcountry branded welder but never pulled the trigger on it. They changed to Stoic and I had some concerns on how I would fit in the new label. I was also concerned that the liner would make me feel like I was wearing a teenage girls jacket (generally reserved for weekends only). My last reservation was the color choice.
So, the answers are: the fit is exactly like the sizing chart/ old backcountry brand. The liner is warm and doesn't look as outrageous/teeniboper as I fear/suspected from the pictures. The color looks good, not bad.
I haven't been able to really push this thing through the weather gamut but it seems fine so far. I'm recovering from epic backflip fail right now.
Suggestions for improvements: More color choices!! This jacket is very unique with the orange piping. There needs to be more color choices. I also would LOVE a recco sensor. This is the biggest shortfall of the softshell market. Avalanches can happen when wearing a softshell.
the Stoic welder Hi has a taller pile, that is super soft, so it has more insulation value, but incremental.. in practical use it could withstand 10 to 20 degrees colder temps. but, because it has this extra warmth, and we know from backcountry skiing in it, that you can get warm, we added pitzips on this style to help vent out the heat. great for someone that gets cold, does alot of side country, or is warm and clammy in goretex.
I just got it from SAC and first impression is awesome. I was amazed at how soft it is inside and out. I've worn it around the last 2 days and gotten complements everywhere I've gone. However, I'm starting to wonder if I should have gotten the L instead of the M. I'm 5' 11" 165 lbs and it's a fine fit with just a t-shirt on under it, but you can't fit much more under it. Regardless, it's an amazing classy jacket.
This jacket looks great on the site and it looks and feels even better in person. I just got mine and I am very pleased with the quality and feel of the material and construction. I haven't had it out in the elements yet, so I can only hope that it performs as well as it looks. Based on the other Stoic and backcountry.com stuff I have this should be another great jacket. Score another one for backcountry.com.
I'm a harder size to buy for: 6'4" 230, 47" chest, 37" arm, athletic build. Would the XL work? Or should I size up to the XXL? Only reason I ask is because I cannot find XXL specs on here.
I am 6'2" 235 46-47" chest, I was looking for a more athletic fit, but even with that in mind went with the XXL. If I were only wearing t-shirts under an XL I could get away with it (Had the old welder in XL), but much anything beyond that I think you'd start to feel restricted in your movement if you have remotely muscular shoulders. the length of the sleeves and jacket are good, I'd bet into the 6'5" range.
I'm 6', 185, 42 athletic and the large is a borderline fit. In addition to being an athletic cut, the hi-loft insulation actually decreases the available spacing inside the jacket. I really think you would be better off w the xxl. Hit the chat button for the xxl stats. I'm sure they can dig them up somewhere
Wanted to keep this jacket but there is no room for a helmet - maybe a light-weight, low profile, mountaineering helmet. The construction seems excellent and the fit is stug but comfortable allowing good mobility. I am 6 ft 185 lbs and the large seemed to be the right size. Not alot of room to layer but the high loft fleece is very warm and comfortable and probably doesn't necessitate a lot of layers. Love the jacket, wanted to keep it but the with the helmet issue got to send it back - got too many jackets anyway.
I've had the jacket for a little over a year, and the seam by the LEFT pocket is coming apart. I bought it on gear trade (from backcountry) and I'm trying desperately to find out if BC or Geartrade or Stoic is going to be able to repair this thing! I think for as much as they touted the welded performance over a traditional stitched seam, it would last a bit longer than one season of use.
OTHER THAN THAT...this jacket is really great. water repellent enough, definitely warm, and fits athletic frames like a glove. I love it...just wish it was staying in one piece.
I'm experiencing the same problem on my Stoic 2.0 Women's Shell! I bought it in March off of geartrade from Backcountry and now the welded seam is coming apart at the right pit zip. Any luck finding an exchange or refund?
all stoic products are lifetime, back country should repair/replace it no problems, great warranty on stoic products, one of the main reason i buy them
How do these compare to last year's BC stoic's in size? I usually wear a large (6'0", 185), but I got a XL in the BC stoic (I couldn't move my arms in the large). Mostly cause I am getting this as a gift for my dad (5'7", 145). He usually wears medium in most things--I'm concerned he may have the same wide shoulder issue (nearly the same jacket size, definitely in better shape than me, ha ha).
This jacket is definitely cut athletically. I'm 6' and 180 lbs and the large suits me well. The sleeves are too tight on me to put many layer underneath, although with as warm as it is a body260 IB should be plenty. I bought the same size (large) as I generally do in jackets. I have a large golite rain shell, large r4 patagucci fleece, large hoodies, large welder hi-loft softshell.... you get the idea. I'd say it fits true to size. A medium should fit him fine.
Got this off SAC for a killer deal. The first thing I noticed when I tried it on was that it was much thinner and lighter than I had anticipated, but in this case it's a good thing because the insulation is effective enough to make me question my bulkier jackets that don't keep me as warm. The jacket breathes pretty well too, I never feel like I'm overheating in it, it's always just about right. I was biking the other night in 30-something degree weather with just a t-shirt underneath and was perfectly fine. The pit-zips are also very cycling-friendly for when you heat up, great feature.Build quality is great, the fleece is super soft and is in the sleeves and hood as well, I like the TRON neon orange look a lot personally too. I'm 6'1" 165lbs and wear the Large, it fits perfectly. Haven't had a chance to test it out in the rain yet to see how waterproof it is, but will update when that happens.Only a couple minor issues: I wish the hand pockets were lined with the same fleece that the rest of the jacket is lined with, and I feel like the drawstring around the waist area should be a little more substantial. Again, nothing major, just small wishes.I guess another issue is that the jacket and fleece are cozy to the point where I start to fall asleep in it during my morning classes...
Update 1/20/10:
Put it through its first test in the rain...didn't do very well. After about a 10 minute walk in moderate/heavy rain my t-shirt got soaked across my shoulders and the hand pockets were soaked at the bottom. And once water permeates this jacket you're SCREWED...the fleece retains water like nobody's business. I tried to exchange up for the bombshell and was willing to pay the $30 extra for it, but BC wouldn't do it (probably because I got this off SAC). -2 Stars off 5 stars for subpar rain performance, I wouldn't call the jacket "highly water resistant" at all. And I live in California, if California rain can do this jacket in, I can't imagine putting it through rain in other states.
You do realize it is a soft shell right? Maybe you should do some research about products before you buy. As a softshell it is designed for aerobic activity. When inclimate weather approaches, a light rain shell is suggested layering to keep the rain at bay...that being said I've had mine for 3 months and been in several snow and sleet storms and still remain dry.
I wrote a review when I bought this jacket last year, and now that its finally getting cold again in the northeast, I'm wearing it again, and just wanted to let anyone who's thinking of buying it know that it's the best gear purchase I've ever made. I was just on SAC and they're sellign some primaloft insulated hoodie for $200, down from $470. Crazy. Buy this instead. This is the most comfortable jacket you'll ever wear. I seriously go out in sub freezing weather wearing nothing under this coat but a t-shirt, and I'm cozy warm. Like tucked under a blanket warm. The seams are welded, and the exterior material is windproof and waterproof. The hood fits comfortably without being excessively baggy, and you don't lose your peripheral vision with it up either. Not many people have it either, so its an original when you're out and see 50 NorthFace coats that all look the same.
When is the red version being released? This jacket looks great, I'm debating if I want to wait and see what the new color will look like or if I should just get it now.
For real. I finally had to when my wife and I were making caramel, and I got some on the sleeve, and it came right off! The fit is perfect for a SLIM athletic more...
some have said that this jacket is a better replacement-or cheaper substitute for the arc'teryx hercules. I absolutely disagree. Polartec powershield more...