Stoic Welder Glove - 2009 BCS

I ordered these gloves for leading ice and they're not going to work.

1. They are a weird shape. Aside from the L being slightly too small for me (fine - maybe I am an XL in this glove), the glove was extremely constricting around my thumb pivot. Friends with smaller hands who tried them on felt the same way. This unusual constriction prevented me from effectively gripping anything.

2. These are thick gloves, not really suitable for grabbing anything. Far, far too thick on the palms - so I was getting pumped really easily.

3. There are some weird seams and lots of extra leather on the fingertips. Also not ideal for leading ice.

Needless to say, I am sending them back.

I got a great deal on SAC. When I put them on the first time I could tell they would be warm. They looked to be well made, no seams in stupid places that would wear out. The bad thing though, they put the zipper anchor right over the index finger knuckle position. I couldn't grab a ski pole without the anchor digging into my knuckle. I never used them but I can't imagine how painful that would be after a day of skiing. So I am sending them back. Fix the zipper position and they would be great.

I was a little skeptical of this vintage style glove when I first got them, but was stoked after my first few days skiing with them. The seams are very intelligently placed so they won't wear out, and they are extremely comfortable to use. I've worn these gloves in temps from 0 to 25 degrees F and have been comfortable every day. For those that like to wear the cuff of your jacket over your gloves, these work great due to their low profile on your wrist. I'm psyched, and I know these gloves will last me a long time.

I had a chance to test these out today in a white out blizzard at Breckenridge. They kept my hands warm enough in what I am guessing was ~5 degrees not including the windchill. I brought along a pair of the backcounty inbounds gloves for comparison and these were a bit warmer than those. The quasi gauntlet was a bit to big for under the cuff and just a tad to tight for over the cuff (Arc'teryx sidewinder sv) I wound up just half zipping the gloves and stuffing the cuffs into the gloves. The nice thing is that the insulation is thou out the entire glove, including the gauntlet so the fact that the cuffs did not get completely covered was not a big deal. Now for the bad part. The stitching were the zipper attaches to the glove (closest to the fingers) is in a bad place. There is a very noticeable ridge that, for me, rubbed on my index finger knuckle to the point that is caused an indentation and was very irritating. I felt like something was pinching me at that spot when ever I would bend my hand more than half a fist. This is a problem if you are holding ski poles or trying to hold anything. I had several other people try the gloves on to see if it effected them and every person could feel it. Fortunately it is just on the right glove. I would return it but I picked them up off geartrade and there is no returns. Hopefully this is a fluke and does not effect anyone else. As far the sizing goes - I measured 7.5 inches from wrist to middle finger and tried the large. They had excess material on the fingers. I have a medium in the backcounty inbounds and those fit much better. I believe a medium would fit better for these as well. I hope this helps you all.

Really really really warm glove, but very bulky and the zipper is just in a weird place.

I was a bit hesitant about ordering these gloves due to the mixed ratings, but I am glad I followed through and bought these. The size seems to fit my hand nearly perfect and with little tightness in the knuckle and thumb area (unlike the other complaints). Loved the leather palms, and the primaloft wicks sweat and keeps the paws nice and toasty. The overall look is great, with a nice little message added in the zippers. I will be rocking these in all weather to get a better feel, but they have worked in Park City, and should work anywhere else. Don't deny the hype, Stoic is solid gear.

I didn't think my hands were any different from anybody else's but the zipper that comes up the back pinches my index finger knuckle for some reason. If it weren't for the zipper I would be in love with these. I love the glove and the materials used, especially the Primaloft. Thanks for the easy return backcountry, I'll probably get some Hestra's this time around.

Backcountry used to make this glove and it was called the inbounds glove. Hands down the best glove I have ever used in any conditions. After a hundred days of slaying utah pow, they are still unstoppable. Now that it's the stoic welder, I am really disappointed. There is no need for a zipper. You guys should really make this glove like you used to!

Overall quality item. They are dexterous, very warm, and fit well under my jacket cuff (patagonia powderbowl) creating a good seal. The gloves run small and the zipper is in a bad place. It ends right on the first knuckle and while it doesn't really bother me it is a design flaw that could easily been avoided. Overall about 7/10.

The best glove I have ever owned! the outer shell has a neoprene fell to it and is very waterproof. the primaloft insulation works wonders no cold fingers for someone who always has cold hands. the palm is crafted with a a sturdy leather. the cuffs are a unique but very effective design when unziped the inside reads (left-hand) "Ski Powder" (right-hand) "this deep"

who puts a zipper on the knuckle my knuckle hurt for two week trash can maybe change a tire with them as long as its not cold out. 80 buck down the drain. thanks stoic for returning my phone calls and emails i will never buy your product again thank you very much. its not a wierd shape its a painful shape.

Those gloves are very cool with great style while providing a lot of warmth for you hands. I skied them few times already in pretty low temp condition and they worked like a charm. Personally, I really like where the zipper is placed, doesn't bother me at all, on the contrary.
Only thing is the "ergonomic finger design" which doesn't seem to be ergonomic for my type of fingers. The seams are strangely placed, removing some of the sensations and grips you should expect. But this is honestly a minor complaint. Overall, they rock.

First off, these gloves keep your hands warm. That's what gloves are supposed to do and these gloves do it really well. The merino wool interior is soft and warm, even when wet. That's con #1--These babies get wet and heavy really quick, and they stay wet and heavy for at least two days of non-use/drying near a heater/fan/whatever. You don't notice the weight of the water while you're out, but once you take them off it is surprising how much extra weight you were carrying. I've been using them for snowboarding, so I do spend more time palm-down in the snow than a skier may. They are warm even when wet, though.The top of the zipper sometimes digs into my hands like others were saying but not enough to make a dent in my skin or any major discomfort. I can feel it, that's all. I may have bought a size too small, though. The stitching on one hand near the zipper is starting to come out, so I can see some Primaloft starting to poke out. That's after 3 days of use. I'll probably just sew it closed because I still wouldn't return these.They are fairly dextrous. You probably couldn't tie your shoe laces, but you can adjust bindings.They look the business.

great performance on cold mixed alpine routes. goatskin holds up well to belaying/rappeling.

As another review below said I do feel the zipper ridge at my index finger knuckles when gripping anything. Also, the gauntlet isn't great for me, too thick to easily get my jacket cuffs over (stoic event stash) and not tight enough zipped to stuff the cuffs in.

Mine get a little soggy after long days on ice/snow, but still my go to glove for cold weather when I need decent dexterity.

I really enjoy the texture of the inside of these gloves. Ya know your favorite towel that is forever old, but you love, because it doesn't shed like a German Shepard, and get the job done? Well the inside of these gloves are terry-cloth-like texture that gets softer over time. The gloves are warm, water repellant, and just darn tough.
Addressing the issue of the zipper, yes it did put pressure on my left index knuckle at first, but over time this pressure went away.
The other issue, if they fit under or over your coat? My coat has a velcro cuff, and these gloves fit easily under my coat. As far as over the cuff, you can zip them halfway up and cover the cuff if you know you will be taking them off and on a lot. No big deal here.
On this inside of the glove, on the tag, it suggests to use nikwax glove waterproof to re-waterproof these babies. I would suggest to do this if you wear them more than ten times out in the wet snow. I did it, and they repel water like new.
Buy these at this great price, and put them on every so often until next season to get you excited for the next deep pow day.
Oh, and they will make you feel stronger.

I took these gloves out for the first time on a 4 day ski trip. Initially I was concerned, I am used to mittens and never get cold in them. When I first put these gloves on my fingers were cold in a couple of minutes. It was only about 20 degrees out and expected better insulating abilities...what I discovered though was that after only about 45 minutes of very bearable coldness, my fingers were no longer cold and only felt a bit of chill initially each day, after first putting the gloves on.

The only thing I missed was the safety cord that I would normally connect around my wrist so I can let the gloves hang when trying to access something requiring the finer dexterity of my bare fingers. Fortunately, I have two sweet pockets in my Arcteryx jacket that functioned well as temporary storage locations during such activities. However, before the next outing I will be attaching such safety cords to the gloves.

I had no dexterity issues with the gloves and though they have ample leather where it is needed and it is initially a bit stiff, it breaks in quite soon. One learns quite quickly that were designed with function and comfort in mind for skiing and not so that one could perform detailed work on a watch. Additionally, the zippers on the cuffs made it so that the gloves were easily snugged beneath the sleeves of my jacket.

Haven't given these gloves a thorough workout yet, but think they make nice driving gloves until the car warms up, with one exception - the finger tip bulges hinder touch task dexterity.

They seem to be well made and the leather is very nice (soft, substantial). The other materials are cool too. I am wondering if the leather color will "bleed" when wet - hope not, but time will tell.

While walking the dogs one evening, it was coldish and windy, my hands got cold after about 15 minutes. They are a bit sleek, so perhaps a bit more insulation is appropriate. Then again, these are ski gloves and perhaps appropriate for that level of body heat generating activity.

The gloves are nice enough that I find myself guarding them against wetness and dirt, but eventually that will pass. I look forward to seeing how they continue to break-in and age.

I like the zipper gaunlet feature. The nose wipe is cool, but I have not used it yet because the gloves look so good without glazing.

Overall I think they at least initially have met my expectations - for the long haul, stay tuned.

skeener

I was looking for a high-quality warm leather gloves for skiing and these gloves seemed to fit the bill. I was exciting about these gloves based on the previous good reviews. Sad to say, I was a bit disappointed when they arrived. I had a couple issues with the product: 1. Sizing. I ordered a medium and based on the sizing chart these should have been a snug fit on my hand. However, the fingers were quite large, resulting in a bulky fit. 2. Leather stained out of the box. It appeared that the black leather dye leached through and stained the red leather. 3. Zipper gauntlet. I liked this design feature, however the gauntlet didn't really fit under the cuff of my jacket. I tried putting it over the cuff and it just felt constraining and uncomfortable. This was the killer and why I sent them back. I could have lived with the other issues.

Nonetheless, the materials and construction appeared to be top-notch. They appeared to be a good glove for the price.

I returned these before I tried them on the slopes - there was a lot of excess material on the fingertips which gave them a weird look and likely a loss of functionality while wearing them.

Wore these for some long ski days in Colorado and they performed very well. I really like how the pseudo-gauntlet construction locks out the snow but keeps from getting caught on stuff, filled with powder, or looking like a cartoon villain. The zipper makes them easy to get on/off too. Warm and waterproof with burly construction that kinda reminds me of a hockey glove.
There's room for improvement on the dexterity: a seam runs down the middle of each fingertip, and the glove's taking a bit to break in. Also, the merino lining is a towel-like knit that adds warmth but tears up your cuticles (boo hoo a hangnail)
~Made in China (the tag said it came with a hood & had a powderskirt!)
Great cold weather glove overall, just don't try to pick your nose with it

great dexterity, very comf.

spent time snowboarding in them, worked great but noticed the leather getting a little wet at the end of a long day, overall very pleased though.

a higher-class glove then most you will find.

these gloves are everything... tough, warm, easy to use. I like the wool insides and the goat skin leather (Mike says it's the only leather that thorns won't penetrate). I like these better than the black diamond guide gloves I have, but what's up with the RED stripe across the back and the RED leather palm? can't you make it in plain old BLACK like everyone else?

I got these gloves to replace an old Black Diamond pair that took a joyride on the roof of my car and were never seen again. I really like these glove. They seem true to size, although there is a little extra material in the tips of the fingers, or "talons." I like the leather palms and fingers and the wool liner is great. Construction seems very good and durable; these gloves should last a while.

5 stars for materials and concept, 3 for execution and fit (for me at least). The under the cuff gauntlet is a great idea and the zipper closure is nice for easily getting them on and off. That being said, they could be tighter at the wrist because they feel like they can slide off a little too easily. Fit through the palm is generous but the fingers feel a little short and stubby. They're definitely not as dextrous as the description indicates. I'm hoping the wool insulation on the palm and fingers will pack out some more because right now they bunch up an awful lot where they shouldn't. The unique stitching on the fingers seems to work pretty well but it seems awkward and misplaced on the thumbs. Overall I'd give them a 7/10.

I write this as I stand in he tram line. These stoic gloves were made for me. I have been on a 20 year hunt for the perfect glove. That hunt has concluded today. No more do I have to wander the aisles searching searching for gloves constantly being let down. I love this glove.

It is warm it is dry and it fits my crazy hands. The welded seams and well tailored leather palms lead to a glove that has no bunch points and flexes with your hand Instead of against it. The zippered cuff makes for easy positioning of your coat cuff over the mid length gauntlet. This is great when taking them on and off on the lifts. The best of all the liner doesn't budge when you remove your hand.

Bottom line: the best glove for your money with subtle style to boot!

Buy this glove. Buy Stoic.

got to break these bad boys in with the storm moving in and cleaning up the yard. They kept my fingers warm and dry. i didn't quite see the dwr working, no beading, but hey that is a quick fix. these gloves are going to be my everyday glove and can't wait to break them in even more. the glove fits great and the dexterity isn't bad. i was able to tie trash bags without needing to take them off.

These gloves look good. They look burly and look likely to stay together longer than the Black Diamond Prodigy glove.

I wore them on a warm touring day and my hands did not overheat on the climb. No problems on the down either. My hands were comfortable throughout.

There is some stupid writing on the gloves, but they have helpfully included zippers that cover that up.

These are pretty warm and definitely hold up to abuse. I have no complaints about these gloves at all so far. Looks like we got it right!

These gloves work for me. I snowboard so they can get some wear and tear when I am adjusting my straps on and off. I've worn them the majority of the season in all types of conditions, and even snowmobiling. I have worn them in the dead of winter in high winds, low temps and deep snow and my fingers stayed nice and warm and I am able to handle zippers and pockets easily. They do get wet in the warmer slushy days, but my hands stay dry inside and do not feel the effect of the water absorbed. I like the powder cuff, they are easy to put under my jacket sleeve or over my powder cuff and they are easy to handle when one hand is in the other glove. Messing with my phone and ipod and food I generally will take one hand out of my glove on the lift. If you are looking for a more technical touring glove these may not be the greatest. But for a quick hike out of bounds or a long day these are great.