Stoic Tour Softshell Pant - Women's

The amount of time I spent obsessing over these pants before I bought them was probably unwarranted but overall I am happy with them. Fit isn't absolutely perfect - a little gappage in the back of the waistband and a weird pulling at the snap closure in the front (almost like my hips are angled differently than the model the pants were based off) - but the legs fit great and these pants feel like fleecy tights. Great for skinning and backcountry skiing. The rise isn't as low as I was expecting, they hit a finger or so below my belly button. The legs are a smidgen long for use with my ski boots, but the extra length is great for hiking. As has been said, there's no inner lining/snow cuff, but the cuff fits nice and snug around the tops of my ski boots (I pull them down to the ankle and fold up the back a little bit to expose the walk mode switch). On the plus side, the teal zipper details in the shale/ceramic color matches my Niagra Arc'teryx shell PERFECTLY.

I bought an XS - 5'3" 115lbs. My guy friends like skinning behind me when I wear them, which can only mean that my primary goal of looking good in the woods has been achieved with these pants.

I was a bit hesitant to buy these as Stoic is a new brand, but I am glad I did! They are very well made, and fit very well. I will use these for backcountry touring, I wanted something lighter & more breathable than the shell ski pants I already have. I got my normal size, and they fit well. They are a bit slimmer than other pants I have/have tried on, but I don't mind. They fit fine over my tele boots. They do zip up the leg a bit, but don't have any type of liner inside to keep snow out so this may be an issue in deep power. They have a heavy reinforcement patch on the lower inner leg, which is pretty tough material. If you scratch it with your nail it makes a really loud sound (think chalkboard). All in all, I am happy with these, and can't wait to be able to use them! (P.S. "Not black" is a really dark gray, almost black.)*Update... changing from 5 to 4 stars. I've now used these several days. The fit is not as great as I initially thought. They do have a gap in the back, and I've gotten a back side full of snow a few times because of this. Still like the pants, they are very breathable (great for skinning) but the fit makes me think about swapping them out for something else...

These seemed like good pants, so if they fit you, you might love them. They are mid-rise, nice-looking, and not the least bit bulky. However, if you have hips like a girl, these pants might not fit you well. My build is fairly average, and the difference between my waist & hip measurements is about 10" -- not huge. But these pants were very tight in the hips, while leaving a huge gap in the back waistband. So if I'd gone up a size, the waistband gap would have been even bigger. Cold place to let snow get in, ya know? (The Patagonia Alpine Guide pants fit me better.)

I am always looking for rugged outdoor pants since I spend a lot of my free time in the CO mountains. Snagged these on SAC..normally I do not bother trying pants sized S-M-L being that I have enough trouble finding pants that fit. Since it was a good deal and I've found Stoic to be a really high-quality brand, I ordered a pair to try them out.

They're fantastic! First of all, the quality and construction is absolutely top-notch. I have not actually worn them on a hike/climb/ski yet, so I'll update when that happens, but based on the detail and construction I'm expecting a great performance. I love how they placed the zippered pockets out of the way on the sides and back, and the bomber fabric reinforcements down at the boot level.

Second, or maybe it should be first - they fit perfectly! I have an athletic build so the thigh/hip/waist ratio is always a problem (you know what I'm talking about)...not with these. I'm 5'9" and 145, normally a size 6-8 and a bit short-waisted. The M fits snug in all the right places, especially the WAIST (they are somewhat low-rise) and they are the perfect length for taller girls. The people who designed these know whassup with the ladies, I'd say.

In my experience with soft shell pants, you have to keep in mind that they will stretch out as you wear them, especially if they get damp...so when you try them on you may want them to be a little snug to start.

Ida paid full price for these...but watch for them on SAC. Happy trails! :D

I'm one of those no hip or butt and not-tiny-waisted girls. Medium fit me perfectly at:
hips: 38"
waist 31-32"
inseam: 33"

I agree with the one reviewer who said there seems to be extra fabric in the crotch. No one will know it to look at you, and it's not uncomfortable, just feels a little odd. And yes, it surely helps with mobility.

They look great. I wore them around the house for two hours comfortably. Doesn't make loud swishy sounds when you walk. Haven't tried them in the field yet, but it will be nice for spring backcountry skiiing.

I needed a new ski pant that had some good inside guards because all my ski pants without a guard I rip up with my skis. The guard on these is perfect: durable and thick. As for the pants, they fit snug, but Stoic tends cater towards a more form-fitted style for women. I'm a size 6/7, 28/29 waist and the medium fit just fine. If you are looking for a roomie pant, do not purchase these.

I am 5'7" and usually wear between a 6 or 8 in pants. The medium is snug fitting but very comfortable. I bought a large so that I can wear long johns for extreme cold. So far I have hiked in dry cold conditions of above 20. And I have been warm and comfy. There is plenty of stretch allowing great range of motion. Def a recommendation pair of pants to own for hiking!!

I got a pair of these for my wife after getting one for me (male version though) and they fit her perfectly. We were a bit worried they were going to be too big but XS is perfect for her. She usually wears XS. They could have been a bit tighter at the legs because they're very stretchy but it's fine like that too.

Love the pants. Very true to size. I wear a women's 10 or 12 and I ordered a large. They are a bit long for me with a 29" inseam but that is normal. Very warm too, I wore a lightweight thermal tight underneath and was perfectly comfortable. Considering ordering the men's for my husband. Thanks.

Super bummed out that these pants didn't fit. I normally wear an x-small or 0 in pants and I'm only 5'1. The XS had the perfect height, but the waist was super tiny and it was riding up my crotch. I'm in no way a curvy lady, but I do have an athletic tone and couldn't believe that my butt was for once too big for the pants. Interesting reading the other reviews about the waist being bigger than the hips. It seems that the waist on the xs was absurdly smaller than normal. Too bad, these pants really look like they were made really well, warm, soft, has a feminine fit, lots of pockets. Didn't bother going a size up because according to the size chart, so does the inseam. Can't hem them because they have zippers and buttons on the bottom cuffs. Paying the MSRP on these isn't worth compromising or just dealing with the fit for me. Bottom line.. if possible these pants should be tried on in person based on all the mixed reviews.

It would be a great pair of pants if you have a Barbie Doll waist! I had to return them.

I've owned the men's pair of the tour pants for a few years now, 99% of use has been for ice climbing. I just barely purchased my girlfriend a pair and she loves them too. These pants have very little flaws and several very nice features. First, they stretch a lot, which is great because they fit like pants but stretch like spandex. This makes it very nice for ice climbing, skiing, hiking, and even walking around your house in.
Secondly, these are very warm. My girlfriend suffers from getting cold in 90 degree weather. We just went skiing yesterday and we shredded for an entire day and she wasn't cold once (not even a base layer).
Third is their durability. These have been battered by ice screws, tools, all sorts of gear, trees, ice (of course), and my dog who loves to jump up and say hello. In three years all I have to show for it is about 4 superglued tiny tiny tears (size of a pinhead). Other than that they are flawless.
Highly recommend these pants to anyone!

Only con: I'm 6'4 and 190lbs with a size 13 boot, I'm not too crazy about wearing these for skiing because ski boots are typically bigger and wider than mountaineering boots. They aren't baggy around the legs so I feel like I look awkward having skinny legs than a huge boot. My girlfriend however (with the tour womens) uses these for skiing and absolutely LOVES them. She says that most ski pants are "form fitting" for women. These keep her warm and look goooood!

First off--really great construction; nice heavy softshell material, durable zippers and snaps, reinforced belt loops. These are really well-made pants.

The downside? They are NOT cut for girls with bigger thighgs/hips and small waists. I am 5'-6" and usually a size 6/8, but i bought a large after reading some of the reviews. The plus: the large fit over my giant muscly thighs with room for wool tights. The downside: There was about 3" of material I could pinch together in the back.

If you have thinner legs and less wide hips, I think these would be IDEAL pants for you!

I've worn these pants both spring skiing in Washington and backpacking in Alaska, and think they are great. I agree with the other reviewers that I had to order up a size (or I should say that I typically fluctuate between a M and a L in pants and I went with the L this time. And they are rather form fitting - the make my legs look super slim, added bonus :). They are super comfy and soft on the inside. I wore them day and night for 4 days in Alaska, I didn't want to ever take them off!

I only wish they had a few more pockets. I love the stash food, keys, the like in my pants pockets and the limited (and small) pockets cramp my style.

These have very strange fit. The waist is much larger than the hips. Belt loops, but no belt? I am a 6/8 and ordered the M - way too small. Tried the Large - way too big. Nice fabric, but not made for me. Returning.

At 4 foot 11 and a curvy 118 pounds, I knew I was going to have to try a few pair on. Small I couldn't even get over my hips, medium was too tight in the thigh, and I finally settled on a large with a belt. I did have them tailored for my height by taking out fabric at the back knee seam and they still retained their water resistance. Great fabric, comfortable. But I honestly would not recommend them for a petite person unless you plan on having them tailored.

Bought these for my wife and was pretty psyched when they arrived...look good, heavy, nice quality. Unfortunately, they have a very unusual cut. Medium should have been a bit too big, if anything, but were super small. Because of the unusual cut, I don't think the large would help much.

First Stoic purchase and I am pleased. Had to return the small for a medium which I am glad I did. I am 130lbs, and 5'7" tall. Now I can wear them with a baselayer and be able to snap the waist shut. Wore them skiiing in 12 degree weather and was warm. There is no gaiter but the pants run narrow at the bottom and did fit over my ski boots and kept the snow out. I also use them for walking the dogs in the woods. A good all around pant at a good price. The Not Black color is great; a dark gray.

An awesome pant with great material and style BUT sized extermley small. Ordered these off of Steep & Cheap, both the medium and large and the large fits more like a small to extra-small. I am 5'6 150 lbs usually always wear a medium and I could even do up the large pant - medium barely fit over my leg. So bummed I have to send these back as they look like a great pant. Had to give 2 stars because of the sizing issue. If you are petite these are for you.

I am a size 4; occasional 2 w/long legs. I ordered both size small & medium. The smalls were tight & super short. The mediums were too big but workable - great w/all weights of long underwear. The low rise feature of the pant as I have a short torso & long legs is great. The pants have a somewhat weird cut (too much fabric) across the groin area but it allows for freedom of movement.

All in all the mediums are true to size but somehow the smalls are all screwed up.

I could wear these daily. xcountry ski or just to the hockey rink. Absolutely the BEST!!!

Just to add to other comments- these fit great on me! I'm 5'6" and 130lb. usually wearing a 4/6 and have a 31" inseam. I didn't struggle with these being too short or too tight in size medium. After reading other reviews, I did order a large as well and found them way too big with much different proportions. The quality of fabric is excellent and love the style!

The sizing on these pants is off. I have two pair both a size large, the medium being way to tight. I am usually a size 6/8 and 5'8" tall. The black pair seems to be larger than the gray pair. I made my own belt out of 2 in webbing and they now fit great. I get so many compliments on these pants, especially from guys, who now want some of their own!! I work in tourism in Alaska where I work outside a lot, and these cover me in all the elements from snow to rain. IF you can get the right fit, these pants are amazing!

they do not fit true to size, but one should size up. I'm pretty much a standard XS in most clothing, but with these I could barely zip up the fly (I'm not curvy at all). Forget trying to button it up, one time I did I had the most hideous looking muffin top you can imagine!! being active in that state? not so much...

They are well made, and I love the accent colour, but they really are fit very small. I had to return them.

I get compliments every time I wear these pants. I use them for cross country skiing. I don't need to wear long underwear because they are fleeced lined and very comfy. You won't regret buying these!

I have a Stoic softshell jacket in a size medium and love it! It has plenty of room for layering and is very well made and styled. I ordered these pants after reading all of the reviews... I am 5'5", weigh about 125 lb and usually wear a small (6) or medium - depending on the cut. The Stoic Tour Softshell is a nice heavier weight softshell with some useful features, high quality construction and nice styling... However, when I tried them on I found them to be too snug in the hips and thigh and about 4" too long. I cycle, skate and tele ski with a normal build for these activitites and do not have short legs for my height. Sadly I had to send the pants back - which was very easy to do with the Backcountry return policy. I instead went with a Mountain Hardwear Synchro softshell pant - which is a roomy medium with belt loops and easy venting (I could almost go with a small in this one - but I don't like restrictive clothing for tele skiing and prefer to have room for adding a layer). I would give the Stoic 5 stars for quality and style, but only gave them 3 stars because of fit.

I got these pants for Christmas and was worried about the size based on the reviews. They fit perfectly!! I have some definite curves but they hug them nicely and are not too tight. A base layer underneath makes them a little more snug but they stretch so are comfortable. My favorite feature is the two buttons at the waist. Having a smaller waist, my pants usually gap at the back but the second button on these makes them fit as I like.

I'm pretty tall - 5'9", normally size 8 or 10, but these were too long for me too. And I agree about the hips - the large was too big, but I think the medium would be too tight based on how the large is cut....too bad because I like the fabric and style.

These run really small, i couldn't even get them over my thighs. They seem like really nice pants if they were cut a little better I probably would have loved them.

First off, I am a male. I was so excited to get a pair of these pants off steep and cheap that I accidentally ordered a medium in the female version. I normally would wear a men's medium, although after the women's medium actually fitting comfortable around my waist, I'm thinking about getting a men's small. My two cents would have to be order these a size down from what you normally would. I normally wear pants with a 32-33 inch waist, and these pants are supposed to fit someone with a 29.7 inch waist in the size I ordered. Granted, I didn't have any layers underneath it, but I still think you should order a size down.

I obviously didn't take them out to try them, but they feel like a quality pant that will serve very well as a backcountry ski pant, or in winter mountaineering, with layers.