Stoic Tour Softshell Pant - Men's

The quality of these pants are apparent from the moment you take them out of the bag. Great materials and quality construction /stitching will make these solid performers in the backcountry. Unfortunately for me, they won't make it out there. As most reviewers have said, the fit is very weird. I think they would likely fit someone who's legs are disproportionately longer than the rest of their body. I usually wear a 31 waist and 30 inseam. I went with the small and they were too small in the waist and too long in the inseam. Fit like a 29-32. If you're tall and skinny - these pants are highly recommended!

I like the material, and the cut is okay but would be better if I were skinny; luckily they stretch. I however, like many other reviewers, cannot get past the MAJOR DESIGN FLAWS... #1 the pockets fill with snow if you're in powder or so much as sit in the snow and worse than that, they are lined with mesh, so there's a perpetual dripping snowball inside your pants - nice. I'm going to try to just sew them shut. #2 The cuffs are also too small, they BARELY fit over my lightweight AT boots. Worse than that, they are secured unnecessarily by snaps, which can come undone and flail through the snow next to your boot, each becoming a dingleberry of packed snow.

I just got those on SAC a week ago and tried them on as soon as they got in: Perfect fit and my wife said they're a very good fit. I usually wear 32 size pants and I got a M. They fit perfectly and going with a L would have been way too big for sure, especially that they are stretchable.
They seem quite warm for just a softshell due to the micro fleece which is nice for skiing. I just can't wait for the season to start now!!!

For the money - these are one fantastic pant. they are not without flaws, but nothing comes close at this price point (great job BC). Materials are nice, wind resistant, stretchy with a nice light fleece backing, and some decent breathability. they fit true to size and have a nice athletic cut. They are very comfy with some fine details in the pants, knee articulation (cut a bit too high unfortunately), zippered rear pockets, covered cargo thigh pocket. Double snap front closure, belt loops. Overall a nice package especially if found on sale. could use powder cuffs- but I didnt plan to use these touring. They are a great all around fall/winter pant. used them hiking and snowshoeing and loved them. Got the Metal and they are a little more grey in person. Highly recommended!

Paid $65.99 at steepandcheap.com, and for the price these are exceptional pants! I'd go 5-star but the irregular stitching work along a thigh seam and the lack of front pocket zippers precluded that even at this price point. Great materials and design. I have a 36" waist and a 32" inseam, bought the Large. No complaints. The fit seemed distinctly odd at first, but by the end of day 1 (a jaunt up to Mailbox Peak in the Issaquah Alps), they felt like they'd been custom tailored. These are very warm *and* very breathable. Water resistance not yet tested.

I just used these for two days of powder skiing with temps around 20 F. They worked great. I also use Patagonia simple guide pants. The Stoics protect from wind better, and are more water resistant. The pocket were not a problem at all for me. They also fit fine. I have mediums and I am 5'7" around 165 lbs. Waist is normal 32-33, inseam in jeans is 31".

SO FAR SO GOOD. WEAR THEM FOR MOUNTAIN BIKING AND LONG HIKES IN SUB FREEZING TEMPS.,NO L.J'S. THEY FIT CLOSE AROUND MY BOOTS,A GOOD THING,DON'T HAVE TO BE CONCERENED ABOUT HOOKING A CRAMPON WHEN NOT WEARING GAITORS. I WEAR A 32" INSEAM, XL'S LENGTH JUST RIGHT. HAVE'NT GOT RAINED ON YET, WE'LL SEE.

These are great when I am plowing snow in my bobcat. Super warm and durable construction, mostly wear them at work on sub freezing days. Way more comfortable then carharts or some coveralls. Fit over my work boots with out any issues, have not tried wearing my snowboard boots under them, I could see them being a little tight for that. I am 6'5", 215, got an XL and they fit great. Have not warn them boarding, and I could see open pockets being an issue with that. I love them, and I have two pair.

The fit is awesome, I'm 6'2" and 220lbs size 36 and the large are like a glove. They are defiantly for taller people. I have used them for XC skiing, touring, and winter camping/backpacking. They are very waterproof in snow(haven't used them in rain yet) and windproof. They breath very well. I could see if you were falling in deep powder snow could get in the pockets but thats the only negative. If your taller than 6' get them!

The material on these are pretty nice. The material is stretchy and warm. However, there are some design overlooks in my opinion.
The hand pockets are not zippered. WHY? thus when you fall or sit or whatever, snow just gets in the pockets. It seems every other winter tour pant has zippered hand pockets. Arc'teryx gamma sk, Patagonias, Outdoor research pants all have zippers.

The leg cuff barely fits over snowboarding boots. The pants were a pain to zip up. While I understand that most tourers are skiers, I would think you would give more space for skiers as well. The boots fit over my scarpa F1 boots, but not with much space.

lastly, I dont know why there is not a gaiter. why not integrate a mini gaiter of some sort. They are winter pants meant for snow.

If you get the pants cheap, they will do the job. For full retail, I would prefer the Arc'teryx gamma sk or Outdoor research Credo for some extra money.

I got these for my dad - he says they stop the wind and water pretty well when he is biking to and from work. He tried wearing them when the temperature was down in the teens and said they still kept him warm, even without another layer.

Picked up a pair off SAC after reading the reviews. The only size they had was the XL when I normally wear L (38" waist) Thinking I would just return them if too big, had no idea how the sizing was as this was my first stoic pant. I gotta say though, after trying them on, I was surprised they fit almost perfectly. The L would not fit what soever. So yes, the sizing may be off a bit but I am happy with them.

Not sure what this ergo fit is really, but the flexibility of these pants is amazing, didn't run up the crotch or pull up off the ankle like many of my snow pants do. I'm not sold on no zippers on the front pockets, but the cargo pocket should fit the things I usually carry in there.

Can't wait to try these out in the field, northern NY is getting snow today (10/27), although it'll be gone tomorrow. If these pants work through the season I'll def be giving them 5 stars

Update: I've been wearing them constantly whilst alpine skiing, this past weekend I even wore them hiking and they performed admirably. Again, the flexibility of these pants is great, water resistant and light insulation, so when hiking in sub freezing temps, you are not sweating when moving, and not freezing when stopped.

Great fit super breathable. Have used them for ice climbing to days on the lift. Stoic rocks

The fit is awesome, I'm 6'2" and 220lbs size 36 and the large are like a glove. They are defiantly for taller people. I have used them for XC skiing, touring, and winter camping/backpacking. They are very waterproof in snow(haven't used them in rain yet) and windproof. They breath very well. I could see if you were falling in deep powder snow could get in the pockets but thats the only negative. If your taller than 6' get them!

The fit is awesome, I'm 6'2" and 220lbs size 36 and the large are like a glove. They are defiantly for taller people. I have used them for XC skiing, touring, and winter camping/backpacking. They are very waterproof in snow(haven't used them in rain yet) and windproof. They breath very well. I could see if you were falling in deep powder snow could get in the pockets but thats the only negative. If your taller than 6' get them!

Ordered a L and XL off SAC, figured one of them might fit reasonably. I'm 5'11 185, 36 waist, 30-31 inseam in most pant lines. I had to literally yank the large over my legs and could barely button at the waist it was so tight, I thought I ordered the wrong product at first, but confirmed it was a large. Basically forn fitting around the calves, couldnt get around a hiking boot, much less a ski boot, and the scuff guard was small and ineffective. The XL felt like a 40+ waist as it was very loose, even with a belt, and the calve region was still tight enough to not make it possible to fit over ski boots. I must say, the Stoic Overhang pants fit quite a bit better, specially for its intended use, in a Large, for my frame. I'll admit, I'm not incredibly slim, but my body frame is quite common, but these Tour's simply did not fit. I ended up going with the Patagonia Backcountry Guide Softshell pants (in a size 38), and they fit great, FYI (the 36's fit even better, but not around the ski boots, so I sized up).

With that being said, I imagine if you needed to customize or hem the Stoic pants, you'd get a much less pretentious and more down to earth sales rep at BC.com as opposed to Patagonia. People rave about Patagonia, and I will about their gear, but not with their service. Their answer to me was when I asked about hemming pants was "we try to size the product based on the most common size of our customer's. We can't please everyone, but would be willing to hem the pants to your particular size, at a charge of 40$". While I agree you can't make a product for everyone's needs, I find it absurd that some people have to pay extra money for the same product cause of their size. Its a good thing Patagonia gear is so incredibly well made, cause their customer service, more times than not, comes across as so incredibly arrogant and self righteous. On the flipside, the folks at Backcountry.com are a breathe of fresh air among the customer service of the outdoor industry.

Just my 2 cents on the fit of these products and the service that comes along with it.

I like the material, and the cut is okay but would be better if I were skinny; luckily they stretch. I however, like many other reviewers, cannot get past the MAJOR DESIGN FLAWS... #1 the pockets fill with snow if you're in powder or so much as sit in the snow and worse than that, they are lined with mesh, so there's a perpetual dripping snowball inside your pants - nice. I'm going to try to just sew them shut. #2 The cuffs are also too small, they BARELY fit over my lightweight AT boots. Worse than that, they are secured unnecessarily by snaps, which can come undone and flail through the snow next to your boot, each becoming a dingleberry of packed snow.

Havent had a chance to get them in the snow yet, but so far they seem great. very comfortable! the fleece inner layer is great!

I like these pants, they were a good price and they get the job done.

Fit: I'm 6'2", 150lbs, and I got the medium because the size chart said so. When I first tried them on I thought they would be a little too baggy but after wearing them skiing with a base layer underneath they were fine. They're not park-rat baggy, but they're loose enough to allow full range of movement. Length is perfect. They stretch a good amount, too, so they're very comfortable; I didn't notice them while touring or skiing.

Color: check the user pictures here. The stock photo of the "not black" is not right at all, it's a dark gray (which is fine, I wanted dark gray, not black, just be warned).

Pockets are ok; a cargo pocket on both legs would be nice. Also, lack of zips on the side pockets can let in snow on pow days, so that's what keeps it from getting five stars for me.

No gaiter, but silicone leg gripper makes one unnecessary; they stick to my boots and do not let snow in. Also, reinforcement of inner cuffs is great, the material is hardy and holds up to ski edges and crampons reasonably well. I'm still careful, but I breath a bit easier.

Fabric: stretchy, kinda breathable, keeps my dry just fine. It's quality softshell, what more is there to say? Fuzzy interior is nice and warm. These would need some heavier under layers for snow camping, but for touring they're great.

All in all, a good pant that I'm happy with. I've used them for two seasons now and there's pretty much no where on them anyway. I'm hoping they continue to last a long time, I really like them.

Have been touring in these pants for the last week and am thoroughly impressed.
With temps. ranging from 0 to -15 celcius I haven't been either cold or overly hot whilst skinning. They insulate really well, while at the same time being breathable to a degree which most shell pants aren't.
I've also been happily surprised with the water repellency of the fabric. I guess only time will tell how durable the DWR finish really is, but so far they have been keeping me completly dry, even when sitting around in the snow over lunch.
My only gibe would be that the cut is rather narrow around the ankles, so that they are stretched tight around my ski boots. Secondly the open pockets (ie. no zip) mean that snow can easily enter, and anything in your pocket is more likely to fall out.
All things considered though I'm stoked on 'em and recommend them to anyone looking for a ski touring pant.

I used these all winter long snowboarding in in the Inland NW Rockies. You never know what the weather will be like from day to day. I've used these in cold conditions, soggy days and sunny spring days and they performed excellently. They do tend to soak up water if it's more raining than snowing. I really like how well they breath.

A few words on sizing.

I'm 6'3" 180 lbs and typically wear 33 waist 33 inseam.

The waist on the medium fit like a 32.5. And there is no range to the waist as the sizing chart suggests.

I exchanged for the large, which I would say have a 34 waist and are perfect over my long johns.

From my experience the sizing chart does not pertain to these pants.

I wear size Small in pretty much all other brands (waist 30, inseam 32, 5'9, 150lbs). I ordered these in small and they were super tight - I could fit in but despite the stretchy fabric, the pants were not comfortable. But I really liked the material,pockets etc.so I exchanged them for medium. Sooo, the medium fit great everywhere except the waist was probably 34''... too big.
Bottom line,if they fit you, they seem like great pants. They just didn't work for me.

Reasonable weight, warmth, and weather resistant. Only negative is some small picing in the fabric and my foot gets hung up in the knees when I put them on sometimes.

when I wear these pants, my body (knees, and crotch) notice how comfortable they are. There is no pulling or pressure when climbing. the gusseted crotch combined with the stretch makes for a happy hang time in a harness. I tried them yesterday without my wool longies underneath, and stayed warm. I am looking to buy another pair.

I have no idea what people are talking about re: sizing issues. I'm a reliable 32-32 (my fiancee complains about how easy I have it), 6 ft., 160ish pounds. The medium fits perfectly, though I wear a belt to keep from rocking the mountain thug look. I use these for winter hiking, and they've been fantastic so far after a couple of hikes. Super comfy, super breathable, super water/snow resistant, super stretchy. On top of Eisenhower in the NH Whites last weekend, in 40 mph winds at 20 degrees, I felt just fine with no long skivvies underneath. I find myself wanting to put these on and strut around, they're so comfy. Construction is super solid, too. You can almost taste the quality. Highly recommended.

I just wanted to second nic's review about the sizing. I am 6'0" 160lb with ~32 sizing and the medium fits well. I had been concerned about some of the reviews indicating funky stoic sizing, but these are great. The pockets may not zip, but for mountaineering and winter hiking they seem very good. Better than any of the previous pants I have used in terms of weight/warmth/breathability balance. I like them quite a lot and they are my main snow pant now. Maybe the small is smaller than most are used to, but the medium feels right on.

I love the pants, but I will have to return them due to the fact that they are too small. I am a 30"x32" so a got the small. Way too tiny!! Im am going to have to switch them out for a medium which is a pain in the butt

Ive used these pants the past week skiing at some resorts in Park City. Temperatures have ranged from 15-35 degrees and the pants have kept me comfortable wearing a cwx insulator pant underneath. When I tele ski and work up a real sweat these breathe great! I usually wear a 31x31 pant. These fit little large in the waist and are too long, however when wearing a belt they fit perfectly.Also the color is a DARK gray, not black (unless somehow the color has faded after the first wash).

The fit was snug with thermals under, but they are so comfortable and warm! I normally wear 30 x 30 in pants and the size small was perfect. I used them for 3 days of ice climbing in Ouray and 1 day of skiing in Telluride. Great pants.

I have only used these for skiing and some touring so far, but my few times they have been great. The fleece is actually pretty warm inside, and they stretch a lot. Would probably be great for hiking or climbing as well.

I have only used these for skiing and some touring so far, but my few times they have been great. The fleece is actually pretty warm inside, and they stretch a lot. Would probably be great for hiking or climbing as well.

I originally picked up a pair of smalls of SAC. When they came, I loved them...except that they fit me more like a pair of long underwear than touring pants. The waist was good, and below the knee was fine, but the thighs were almost skin tight. I returned them and ordered a pair of mediums from backcountry instead. Again, I loved them, but they were way too big. The waist had about two extra inches, and they were about two inches too long. They also hung off me like a pair of baggy jeans, not the kind of thing you want when skinning up a mountain or carving down it.

Maybe I have weird sized legs, but the size difference between the medium and the small didn't seem right to me.

If they fit you, they are an incredible pair of pants, the material is tough, but still feels comfortable, and they don't have a lot of frills, just three pockets and belt loops. I'm just bummed they didn't fit me right.

These pants have an excellent, heavy woven material that seems very durable - more so than a standard softshell material. The DWR seems excellent too, but haven't had the chance to test them outside yet. I did spill some spaghetti sauce on them and it just slid right off, leaving absolutely no marks. Great pants, just note the price and the drawbacks below before you make a purchase. At the SAC price, they probably make sense to a lot of people.

Cons
- the fit! At 5'11" and 175 pounds, the medium is a good length (although if you are any shorter, they are going to be too long for you). And the width is about right, maybe a little tight at the waist but that is okay for an active pant that you don't want drooping down (I normally wear 33x34). But they are too tight in the upper thigh area, in a way that is really hard to describe. I don't think I could comfortably put much of anything in the front pockets, given how tight the material is stretched there. If you are less than my 175 pounds, they might fit ok. If you are heavier, no way. I have to knock at least 2 stars off the review for this single issue alone - Backcountry designers I hope you are reading this review and can relax the fit in these pants because they are awesome.
- The belt loops are thick and if you have a heavy pack on, you are definitely going to fill the belt loops poking you a little.
- They are probably TOO warm. As you can see when you compare the weight of these to competitors, these are heavier than most everything you can find in this class. If you are using these for ski pants, that is ok. But if you are using these for winter snowshoeing, mountaineering, hiking, then you are probably not going to need any base layer underneath. If these were lighter, you would just use a base layer if it was going to be freezing cold. It is like they built these pants without the concept of layering in mind. I only plan to wear these when it is below 45 degrees F, and even then I will probably be warm until I gain a few thousand feet and get exposed on the mountain tops. Backcountry, please fix this!
- There is only one cargo pocket on the right side. Would be nice to have one on the left as well. I don't see why the cargo pocket is angled forward, other than to look cool different. When I put stuff in there, it doesn't fit as well as if the pocket were straight. Backcountry, please stop designing stoic gear just to look cool. It doesn't.

These were my first foray into stoic gear, and I am very surprised with the quality of these. The fit is perfect for what I would call the endurance athlete- otherwise known as skinny people. They are extremely comfortable and breathe better than my last pair of arcteryx softshells. They stretch very well and accommodate movement better as well. They do have a few downsides though- the front pockets do not zip closed (which makes no sense in a winter oriented pant, leading to them becoming filled with snow when you crash) and they lack a ventilation zip on the thigh to bleed heat on warm days. But, for the money these kill it.

If these pants fit you (skinny-ish), then they are utterly fantastic. I've practically been living in them all winter in the east. Great for lowland touring and winter hiking (even sitting on your ass in a weakly-heated apartment). The fabric is rad. Durable, super-stretchy, breathable and windproof enough for most below-treeline conditions. A bit fleecy on the inside, which is great for insulation but makes them a bit sticky with certain types of underlayers. Haven't had them on the slopes yet, but they are awesome for lots of motion. The cuff just barely fits a snowboarding boot, and forms a pretty good seal on the instep.The issue with the pockets... meh. Kind of a nuisance, but the fit sort of negates the whole issue, as they are tight enough through the thighs that you don't really want anything in there. Sure, zippers would be great, mostly to keep the snow out. But the open pockets make them a bit more casual and not quite so "ski-panty". Other than that, the design details are well though-out. Shaped edge patches, nice big thigh pocket, bulldog stitching and construction.I think these will be a kickass mountaineering pant, with an added shell for ridgelines or exposed routes. Really good flexibility and warmth, while still very easy to wear them for two weeks straight and never even notice. Perfect for mid-summer in the Cascades or even spring tours in the Sierra.Lastly, I snagged these on SAC late one night, but would definitely be willing to pony up full retail–overall, superb job by Stoic at this price point.

These pants are really a good deal but fit a specific purpose; backcountry skiing. The stretch fabric is great because it won't tear on caught branches, the microfleece lining is just right for when you spend half your day hiking a bootpack (even without vents), most days another layer underneath really isn't necessary. There's no gaitor which is fine because its a snug fit around ski boots, but you wouldn't want to hike in regular boots with these pants. The Keprotech cuff is super strong and the cargo and back seat pockets have zippers but the front side pockets don't (only design flaw I feel, no benefit comes from open pockets). And the metal is much more grey than the photo shows which looks almost white.

Had to respond to the soccer players gripes, (I am a rugby dude, and we are not as particular about custom tailoring). These pants are great. The winter weight isn't overbearing off the slopes, (I wore them on a 4 hour bus ride to Garmisch on Vet's Day and they were fine). However, don't be fooled on the slopes - if it is a windy or cold day, you will need a light layer. They probably shouldn't be billed as winter weight, because the connotation is uber-warmth, (which they are not). If they are too long, (as many ski pants will be), roll them back onto themselves above the boot or knee and snap them closed. I found the waist to run slightly larger, and I need to wear suspenders, which I like to wear anyway. I like the small belt loop under the large belt loop for me to hook in my cross back suspenders with hooks instead of snaps. The front pockets would be great if they had a zipper so you don't have to worry about loosing stuff when the yard sale occurs, (but at least the pockets are deep and should suffice, unless you really tumble). I like the zippered cargo pocket, but why not put one on the other side as well. The Keprotech cuff is strong enough to stand up to your skis as they try to slice through, as they always do. However, it would be nice if there were snow skirts on the legs, (at the end of the day, snow gathers inside the bottom - and I don't know what it is like when you fall, as I have not fallen yet this year). I was concerned about the yellow pocket zipper nylon cord hanging down and getting caught on something, but it tucks nicely under the zipper flap. If it sounds like I am nip picking, these are the only things I could question about the pants, but these observations are insignificant, if not mitigated all together. I am not as particular about the insignificant, but I would not recommend them at the MSRP of $130. Overall, the fit is great. They are quite comfy. Looks great. Freedom of movement while sitting, standing, skiing. Warm, but not an oven. Great color contrasts. Practical, and very reasonably price when on sale, ($62).

I really want to like these, I really do. I like Backcountry.com and their new Stoic line intrigues me...I’ll start off saying that buying pants for outdoor adventures (or even jeans/khakis) can sometimes be annoying for me. I'm normally a 34" waist (33” while training hard, 35” while washing down too many burritos with beer) with a 30-32" inseam. But I'm a soccer player so I'm *ahem* more athletic *ahem* in the butt/thighs... This generally means I have to buy size large pants so they fit right in the waist/seat/thighs. But normally a size large is too long for me so I just have to put up with the extra length.

The cut of these pants is weird ~ for me the M is too small and the L is too big. The M feels like a 32"x32" and fit too tight whereas the L's require a belt/suspenders or they’ll hang loose on my hips. The L feels like a 36" waist and 32-34" inseam. (I easily can pull them off without unzipping/unbuttoning, they could benefit from some more elastic in the waist). Also these pants are cut long, longer than any other pair of size Large pants that I own. When I wear them with my ski boots or snowboard boots, they bunch like a snowboarder. When I wear 'em with just hiking boots (like I would if I were going snowshoeing) I'm walking all over the heels of the pants.Besides the long length.

My other quibble is the zipper cuff. Great feature, but the flap seems like it won't do much to cover the zipper. It kinda has a flap to cover the zipper, but it’s only about 3/8" - 1/2" wide and when you stretch the pants over ski/snowboard boots the flap just sticks straight out, exposing the zipper. Ever had a zipper freeze up while you're out on the mountain? I'm curious if that would happen with these. There’s also no wind/weather flap behind the zipper.

I really wanted some softshell pants for skiing/snowshoeing and I really, really wanted to like these… but I’m afraid I’ll have to send ‘em back…

First day out in my new pants and I would have to say that they exceeded my expectations. Material - Nice construction as expected, breathable and warm. Fit (Large) - Waist was perfect but length was a bit long, I am 6'0" and 185 and typically wear a 34x32, hope they don't stretch too much! Could be better - Front pocket zippers, gators and slightly larger cuffs. SAC sale price makes them hard to pass up.

I snapped these up off of SAC in the "metal" color, which was more of a light gray than the white that the pictures on BC show. The material seems thick, durable, and warm. However, they did not fit well. I wear a 28-29 waist/32 length, and the smalls were a bit too roomy, even with layers underneath. Wanting a pant that did not leave me with a baggy posterior, I ended up sending them back.

Reading the other reviews here, I was a bit hesitant to buy into the stoic pant line. I'm 5'9" and about 135 lb, and the small fits shockingly well. It's not insulated, but it's not just a shell, either. The knees are VERY articulated, which is great for skiing, though a bit off-putting at first.

Haven't had a chance to evaluate outdoors yet but thought I'd throw in my two cents on fit. I'm about 6'0" 160 and went with medium. I usually wear 32/32 pants and have a pretty lean frame. These fit and feel great. Just enough length to get around ski boots and will probably be awesome for cold-weather shinny

The medium was out of stock and the large was a bit too big (I'm 6'2" 190 lbs and a 34 waist, 34 inseam) and by that I mean baggy in the crotch, the length was great. I kind of have skinny legs so this may be the difference between this review and the previous one? The material seems great and all the pockets were in the right place, but I only toured two days in them. Instead of just dealing with the baggyness I opted to return them and wait for next years batch to get the medium, which I will definitely be buying.

I got these pants for back country snowshoeing and they are perfect. I have been out for hours in temperatures ranging from 5 above to 35 degrees and I have never once felt cold or over heated. The stretchiness of the fabric is amazing. I don't feel restricted in any way. I find that they are more comfortable that even my favorite jeans! So far I've logged about 20-30 hours of shoeing in the woods and even in the thickest brush I've haven't noticed any wear'n'tear. The pockets are useful, but I don't really use them out on the trails.
My only complaint is that I haven't been able to get a Stoic top layer yet and these pants make me hate my current options!

I sent these pants back as they were too tight for me in the crotch area and I'm a normal size guy...so go a bit bigger if you get these. Otherwise, they seem like a great pari of pants.

I bought the Welder Hi Softshell Jacket on SAC and was totally stoked on Stoic gear...probably would have bought the whole lineup if it weren't for these pants. I guess my main concern is the sizing. First I ordered the large, they were too snug. Thought they might stretch a bit but they came in just a bit too small. Returned those and got the XL. The size difference just blew me away...they not only had a ton of room to spare around the waste, but when I put my boots on and snapped up the gators they looked like parachute pants because they were so long. Maybe it's me but I have never had snow pants fit like that. I'm 6'1, 205 and fairly muscular and maybe Stoic gear just isn't for me. I really dig on the jacket though!

So I have worn these pants climbing and skiing. They are fantastic. the cut is spot on, prefect in the waist and just the right length to not step on them and look like I am treading high water. They are warm to the point that if I am standing around I will not get cold but not so warm that while climbing I was over heating.

Haven't had a chance to try these out yet, but can comment on the great quality and say that they are damn comfortable -- If it wasn't for the cuffs, I'd probably wear them to bed!
The ankle/cuff reinforcements are a nice feature to improve durability -- the material seems very similar to my kevlar kayak spray skirt and could see it holding up very well to abuse.
Both the right front and rear pocket have an additional interior pocket -- wouldn't trust putting anything in the front w/o it falling out, but the rear seems like a good place to keep your phone/multi-tool/etc. in place.
As others have mentioned, they fit true to size. 32" waist here and the M's fit perfectly.

Only gave 4 stars as I have yet to see these in action so wouldn't feel right giving a perfect 5 and also did notice a few stray threads on some of the stitching. The stitches were in no way flawed, just had some excess hanging off the end so I had to nitpick. Otherwise, couldn't be happier with the purchase!

I've been skiing in these pants now for a few weeks and can confidently say that I won't go back to a hardshell unless I find myself in a very wet cycle. The pockets are all great but I do wish that the front pockets had the ability to zip shut in order to keep some snow out while on the lift or after taking a digger. The sizing was pretty perfect for me in the size S (I'm 5'10, 155lb., 28" waist, with fairly muscular legs). They don't feel tight or constricting in the least and they breathe amazingly. The lining is warm enough on days that stay above 30deg but below that I usually wear a light capilene layer or something of that nature.

So when I pulled these out of the box, my first thought was, 'no way are these going to be able to keep me dry.' The fabric was so lightweight and stretchy (way different from the crusty feel of most waterproof pants). So, i tried it out. I put them on and stuck one of my legs in the shower. The water beaded and ran off without a trace. I took them to a cold day at the Canyons and stayed totally warm with just a baselayer underneath.

I had to order a size up though. I have a 31"-32" waist and big thighs definitely did not fit in the medium. It fit around the waist, but my thighs looked like was in stretch pants. The large fit me much better (had to belt up, they don't have an adjustable waist band).