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Lightweight, highly-compressible, and a god-send on top of frigid ridgelines, the Stoic Luft Down Sweater offers stow-able insulation for the coldest temperatures. Stoic insulated this on-the-go oven with 750-fill goose down in the main body and included 100-gram Cirrus synthetic insulation in the Luft Down’s underarm panels to reduce moisture accumulation when you get the blood flowing. Close-fitting and layer-friendly, the Luft Down Sweater wants to tag along on your next climb, tour, or shoulder season-backpacking trip. If you're aiming to use the Luft Down as a layering piece go with a true-to-size fit, but if you're looking to layer over another jacket, you may want to consider sizing up.
Bottom Line: Lightweight puffy ready for any task.
I picked this jacket up as a layer under a shell for extreme conditions. That's really what I've used it for and it has done it's job very well. It's puffy enough to keep the wind out, but not so puffy to make you up your shell size by 3x. Kind of a happy medium. Sizing seems to be pretty much right on with what you'd normally wear. Definitely worth the dough, especially being as durable as this jackets appears to be.
Got this on SAC... Great down jacket... Very warm, without the "Marshmallow" puffiness... I had originally ordered a large but it was too tight across the shoulders and chest. I am 5'10", 180 lbs. with a 44" chest and broad shoulders, so the XL fits better. The wrists of the sleeves fit snugly around the wrists, which is nice for keeping snow and cold out, but it makes looking at your watch a little more difficult. Overall, a great jacket especially for the price.
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In a 4 season tent on Mt. Rainier (Camp Muir, July 2011), getting ready for sleep. This jacket exceeded my expectations given there wasn't as much loft I as I expected. Superbly warm inside the tent and out, without activity either. Temperature probably in the lower 20s at night, little wind. Very pleased
I absolutely love this jacket. I bought this jacked last December and it was my favorite jacket this season. It is extremely warm and extremely light. I described it to my friends as wearing really warm air. I love that its not too puffy like most down jackets out there. They make you look like the Michelin Man and this does not. I am 6'2" and 170 lbs and the Medium fits me perfectly. I got the black/tang and I love the color combination. The orange is a brighter orange so it doesn't look like I'm dressing up for Halloween. I also like how it compresses and is able to pack down really small. I get tons of compliments when I am out wearing this jacket. I like the quality of Stoics garments as well. They are still a smaller company so it seems they are still able to put some love into their equipment.
I'm 6'4" 190lbs and the XL fits me pretty well. It is long enough to cover the pockets on my jeans and the sleeves are also of a good length. It's a little bigger than I would like it to be in the mid-section, but then again, everything seems to be, too. I considered sending it back for the L size to make it more snug around the body, but I didn't think the trade-off in reduced length would be worth it. I cinched it up with the elastic strap at the bottom and it seems to help.
I have to preface this review with the fact that I got a smokin' deal on this jacket so the was value is absolutely incredible.
Stoic stuff seems to fit me (6' 190 lbs, long torso bought the L) very well which, to me, makes or breaks clothing. It can have great features etc. but if it doesn't fit me it isn't worth it to me.
The sewn-through baffles are well filled with down except maybe at the top by the shoulders but that's not where a ton of your heat output is, right? Also with a pack on it's irrelevant as well.
I haven't noticed a difference in warmth between the down baffles and primaloft insulated areas either so that seems to have been well executed.
The fleece lining at the chin and in the pockets isn't the softest at first but it works fine.
The zipper tends to always get caught up when it hits the chest pocket which is a little annoying but not a huge deal.
I like the stretch cuff gaiter things on the sleeves but if you have gloves on and biggish hands you won't get your hands through them but I think it's better than a normal elastic cuff and I have to admit it, it makes the jacket look cooler. :)
Also the pertex shell is impressive (at least while new) for shedding light rain and the odd drops here and there for a bit. It also seems to breath fine.
Warmth is difficult to quantify as everyone is different etc. but I am pretty happy with it down to 35 F with nothing but a t-shirt underneath well fed, well rested and not moving.
It has a few stray and weird threads but overall the quality seems as good as anything these days. No down leakage yet either which is impressive to me.
Get it on sale and I think you'll be happy with it!
Another angle of the medium crammed into my down bag's stuff sack next to a Nalgene. It required very little effort to get it packed down this small and I think that if I tried hard enough, then I could get it into the Nalgene bottle. However, recent studies suggest that down feathers don't keep you hydrated quite as well as water.
I was able to purchase this at such a low price i couldn't turn it down. In my opinion the collar could be 1/2 to a full 1 inch taller for that crucial warmth around the neck but no biggie. The sleeves have a lot less loft than anywhere else which I expected but even a little less than hoped. I have the similar synthetic version (medium) and it fit tight across the shoulders so i bought this one in a large. The fit across the shoulders is good but it is slightly puffy around the ribs. I'm a tall & thin- 6'2" 165lbs... shoulders are a little broader than normal. So there's all the negatives i can think of. It packs down small enough for me. Unfortunately, it's summer and i've only done one higher alpine hike. So i've only brought it out once (though it remained in my pack), but i can't wait to see how warm it really is given the weight and size
Ed, I'll try and get a picture of it, but for reference, it takes up about half the space in my 5L OR stuff sack, so about the same size as a Nalgene, perhaps a little smaller.
Size Medium crammed into my down bag's stuff sack next to a Nalgene bottle for comparison. It didn't take much effort to get it down this small so I'm confident that it could stuff down a little more but I didn't want to force it and wind up popping a stitch. I've already ripped plenty of stitches in the seat of my pants after chili night at the local watering hole. Another photo from a different angle is also uploaded.
I am looking to buy a down sweater, but not looking to spend a fortune. I have heard a lot of great things about the Stoic Luft and I think I am going to get one. But I need help with the sizing. I am 6'3" 240lbs. and I wear a 48L sportcoat. I really want this to work as both an outer layer as well as something I can wear under another coat. Should I get the XL or XXL?
This jacket is pretty warm. I have been using it with the Stoic bombshell jacket as well as alone. It is pretty wind resisted. It easy really easy to pack on those winter hikes for those times when I'm resting.
A medium fits me perfectly. I'm 6'2", 215, and usually get a medium tall in shirts. I get shirts with 36/37" sleeves and the sleeves on the jacket fit perfect. I've worn it just about every day for 2 months and it looks like it just came out of the box.
It's warm enough that I am fine with just a t-shirt on underneath in anything down to single digits. I wore it under a Norrona shell and went snowboarding when it was -10F, about -25F with the windchill. Hands, face and feet froze, but my core was nice and toasty all day.
Anyone know how many ounces of down fill in this? And has anyone thrown their jacket on a scale to get a real weight? The price is tempting, so I'm looking at them, just wondering...and the sizing and fit does look and sound like it might be a bit strange...I'm 5'11.5", 175 lbs., athletic build, and wear a 42 regular suitcoat. Dress shirts are 16.5, 34/35. I'm concerned that I might be caught between a medium and large...
You are very welcome Cameron. It is a nice jacket but it didn't fit my body type. I ended up buying the Patagonia and later got a Marmot from my wife for Christmas. They do not have the slim fit that this jacket has.
Hey Cameron, the fit is kind of strange IMO. With your stats I would start with a Large and this jacket should fit you well. I think a Medium would be too snug, this has a slim fit.
Hey Tyler, what size dress shirts do you wear? I'm concerned about the arm length. The arms on the jacket look pretty long and might mean a medium for me...
So I got this last week (for half off) and was looking to use it for the super cold winter we are really in for here in the NW. I am 6ft and 185lbs and the Large is perfect for me.
This morning I had to stand outside in 20degree weather for an hour with a pretty nasty wind and this kept me crazy warm for the little movement I was doing.
After that I used it as a Midlayer skiing because the wind chill was so gnarly. Bad Idea. It made me sweat so bad I had to take it off after the first run. It fits perfect underneath my L Helly Hansen Technical Shell.
Bottom Line: When its cold and you are not doing anything active, this thing keeps you warm. I would not use it for a Mid-Layer again unless I manage to ski in sub zero temps. Fleece inside pockets are nice too, Extremely lightweight, I'm pretty sure I could pack this into a zip-lock sandwich bag.
I got this at a discount and have used it over the past winter season. Great jacket. Not your usual jacket because the body is down and the arms is synthetic insulation. I would usually where this to the ski resort as my warm jacket. I did not use it while skiing or any other high out put activity. I did take it on a casual snow shoe hike, and it kept me plenty warm with other layers. I would recommend this piece to anyone looking for a winter coat.
I live in southern Japan where overnight/early morning winter temps are usually around freezing point. I am able to wear this thing comfortably with only a T-shirt underneath. I have yet to wear this in an "extreme" environment, but that's not really why I bought it.
I am a slender 6'4" 190 lbs and it fits pretty well. I have a difficult time buying any clothes that fit well, so I can't fault this thing for not fitting me like a bespoke jacket. The sleeve length is adequate for me as is the length of the jacket. The shoulders are fine, but the mid-section is a little bigger than I would like, but not much of a big deal.
This thing looks great as a jacket. I got the black with orange zippers and together with the Stoic logos, I really like it. The elastic cuffs are great. Nice and soft and just firm enough to keep the sleeves from riding up. The pockets are fairly roomy and are made so that things like car keys, coins, or cell phones will not easily fall out if the pockets are not zipped.
The jacket is very lightweight and feels like it can be packed down very compactly. In the dry winter air, it is very susceptible to static charge and will collect long hair and stuff like that. When I unpacked the jacket, it was very wrinkled, but a quick pass over it with a steamer had it looking good and it has not become very wrinkled since.
The deciding factor for me to buy this over the Patagonia is that it is a little less expensive and I got it at a really good sale price. For it's use as a jacket, it has met or exceeded my expectations and gets 5 stars from me.
My fiancee's jacket saved the day in all that snow! I was turning purple with cold until I put it on, it warmed me right up and kept me toasty for hours out in the single digits :D
Got mine in red off of SAC as well for ~$60 IIRC as a mid layer for my shell and occasional outer layer use when I'm feeling slightly puffy and it's pretty darn nice for the price.
The cut and fit work great for me (6'2", 195-200 lbs w/ wide shoulders and relatively long in the torso and arms and ordered an XL) and it looks great too. Gives that nice old school puffy look and feel w/o the over inflated Michelin Man effect of many down jackets I've tried on.
Seems to regulate really well, plenty warm for casual use by itself w/ just a t shirt underneath in windy 20F temps but not stifling or clammy when worn in the lodge w/ UA cold gear mock and a tech tee under it still zipped up.
The wrist gaiters and drawstring waist are really nice touches and much appreciated. It comes w/ a truly impressive array of pretty sturdy feeling and generously sized pockets as well.
The outer material does seem like it maybe a bit delicate for continued outer user in glades or anywhere you stand a high chance of snagging it frequently, haven't had any issues myself of yet but then again I haven't really put it to much testing. Light to moderate rain and snow seems to bead up relatively well, but I have a feeling heavy downpours or dumps would soak through pretty quickly without frequent copious application of WR treatment and leave me w/ a heavy wet dog feeling and smell.
Overall a pretty kickass bargain if you get it from SAC and not too shabby a value off of backcountry.com either.
How does the Stoic down sweater compare to one Patagonia makes? I like how the Patagonia down sweater is very form fitting and not too bulky and fits easily under a shell for skiing.
I have a weightlifter build and this jacket did not work for me. In the Patagonia Down Sweater and the Marmot the arms are much larger and they simply fit me better. This is a nice jacket, just didn't go with my body type.
I just received the Patagonia full-zip down sweater (with hood) and will be returning it and most likely going with the Stoic Luft (down sweater or possibly hoody insulated)
Some clarification and explanation:
First of all, I'm 5'8, 150, 31 inch waist, ~39 chest, athletic build
I got a Small because I want to wear this jacket under a shell if needed and also don't want much room underneath
Depending on the cut of the jacket (with Patagonia especially, either the regular cut or the slim/athletic) I go between a Small and Medium
With all of that said, I tried the Patagonia last night in 30 degree weather with only a synthetic tshirt on under and it kept me nice and warm while not overheating. The hood is roomy (not too big and can be cinched down), the jacket is SUPER light and soft, the elastic cuffs are great and the fit through the chest and waist is good, with enough room for layering a capilene or R1 underneath but not much more
Two drawbacks, one major and one medium: 1 - the price 2 - the sleeves are baggier than the jacket (not sure what the deal is but the body is pretty narrow while the arms just look unnaturally big) so it makes the jacket look funny while on
Those drawbacks coupled with the sale price of the Stoic mean Im more than likely going to switch
The Patagonia down sweater is a great piece, but its pricey and the fit isnt totally right (on me)
If you have a slimmer build, go for the stoic one. If you're on the stockier side, go for patagonia. For your dollar, stoic offers much for insulation. It's very warm compared to the patagonia one. The down quality is insignificantly different, so it just comes down to your build and the warmth you want.
This question is also discussed in the Patagonia down sweater section. I have owned the '09 and '10 Stoic sweaters ('10 was replacement for stitching). I think the Patagonia may have a had the edge over the '09 Stoic, don't own the Patagonia, just seen tons of people wearing it. The Stoic is much loftier and should be warmer. The 2010 uses the same shell fabric as Patagonia, quality of materials and stitching are similar seem top notch now and are very big improvements over prior. Fit is much better than the Patagonia...for my body type.
This jacket is really light and comfortable. I am 6', 190 lbs with an athletic build and a large fits me perfect. I have worn the jacket in 5 degree F weather with a merino base and a light fleece and in 25 degree weather with a merino base and have been very comfortable. I wrestled with my two labs in the snow last week while wearing the jacket. Paws were flying everywhere as Bailey and Tucker trampled me. I heard paw/claw sounds on my jacket, but it had no damage. Good Dogs. When not getting roughed up by man's best friend, I get lots of complements from the ladies on my bright yellow jacket. I own several Stoic brand items and love them all. Cheers, John
I got this jacket on SAC, and I couldn't be happier considering it was so discounted. I would have paid more for it though--maybe not 180, but certainly 120 or so.
I've got a small yellow. The size is great for me, not too snug and a perfect length on arms and torso (I'm about 5'7", 140ish). And the yellow is a great color, nothing too highlighter.
As for warmth, I've been able to wear this guy on its own in 20 or so degree weather, as long as I'm walking/moving. It also layers great under my Stoic Monolith, also a small, which together are good warmth and wind resistance. I've seen a few feathers fall out in the last week or so, but nothing to worry about.
How is the fit on this thing? Stoic pictures never really do the product justice, and this image makes this "sweater" look more like a jacket. Does it fit nice and tight for layering? (like the Patagonia or Eddie Bauer sweaters) or is it loose and poofy? The sizing suggests it runs small... Thanks for feedback!
Timothy, it fits very snug and would work great as a layering jacket. I am only 5'9" with a very bulky weightlifter build and this jacket was a horrible fit on me.
If you want it baggy go up a size.... I fit well in the Large and I went up to an XL and it is roomy and comfortable, especially for a puffy. I am 6'0 160 lbs. hope this helps.
Sizing is very different from last year. 2010 models are much larger than before. I'm 5'9" 160, and a 10 medium fits well and so does the 09 large. I normally wear medium in most brands.
I briefly had last year's version in my possession and ended up with the non-down Luft sweater, which has a very similar fit. I am 5'11, 190 lb. I have broad shoulders and about a 32 waist. For me the Stoic Luft fits tight and athletic, perfect for layering. It fits my torso closer to a medium, but has enough in the shoulders to accommodate my frame. If you have REALLY broad shoulders you might run into issues, but from the sounds of it this is the kind of fit you're looking for.
I haven't purchased this product but the item detail description seems to say a lot in the way of answering your question. I think I'll get the medium...I'll let u know.
Bought this on SAC, great value and enjoy the jacket a lot. I wore it last weekend in Vail (temps in the teens to low 20's, 10"-20" of new snow each day, mild wind), each day I wore a short t-shirt and long t-shirt (two layers) and the jacket... and each day, I was more than warm with only a few seconds of shivers on certain lifts/parts of the day.... amazed that it kept me so warm. The jacket is EXTREMELY LIGHT... again, amazing how warm it keeps you.
My only gripe is the durability of the material... it doesn't look like it'd stand up to much, and sure enough, I went in the trees and got a 2" rip on my left arm upon my first true encounter with a branch.
nice fit and color combinations on the luft down sweaters. the extended wrist bands keep the warmth in and the drafts and snow out. not the same household brand as the patagonias, mountain hardwares, etc, but good price and quality.
Got this jacket for Christmas it has surpassed all my expectations. I wore it recently skiing during a day where high's temps were in the negative it preformed great as an insulating layer under my shell. It also works great as a warm jacket to wear around town. Great jacket overall.
Hello! Hi! I'm pretty happy with the jacket, there is little many loose ends and a big minus is that there is too little down in the collar, the collar could have been a little higher. Otherwise, I think the jacket could have been a little more until seated healthy body.
This is probably the best jacket "sweater" buy I have ever made. It is so light and non bulky that one almost doesn't notice they have it on, But it is super warm to either wear alone or underneath for layering when it is super cold. Pockets are all very appropriate. Makes it a real pleasure to go out in the cold. Trent, Lyme, NH
Great around camp. It is my go to piece early in the morning. Packs very small and makes a great bring along for backcountry activities as it takes up little pack space. The fit is trim but if you're lanky, it's great.
I love this jacket. Its kept me warm down to about 15 with just a t-shirt on underneath it. I'm a bit between sizes with it, I'm 5'11 220 with a 42" chest and the extra large is a bit big on me, but I use it as an around town jacket and a poor man's belay jacket during lunch time on all day BC ski runs. Its a fantastic value when you can grab it on S&C for about $90 compared to the fancier offerings of other companies. The only drawback is that some of the reflective letters have peeled off and I wonder if the stitching will come loose. But if it does I'm sure that Backcountry would fix it if I needed them too.
Very warm for as light and thin as this is. Temps ~25F with 20mph gusts are no problem with two thin merino layers underneath during only light activity. I'm 5'9 170lbs with a 42" chest and the M fits nicely, though it does have a minor case of "skinny arms" Stoic seems to have patented.
Nice cinch cord along the bottom. The way the hand pockets are sewn in creates two nice sized inside pockets, perfect for carrying a couple thirst quenchers or beanie and thin gloves. The cuffs fit me perfect but I could see this potentially being an issue since they are not adjustable or elastic (gaiters are elastic, cuffs are not). The hand pockets have a nice fleece lining on the front which is very nice/warm on the hands.
I've been using this daily for the past few weeks, the reflective Stoic logo on the outside back of the jacket is peeling in two places. Just aesthetic and some glue should fix but it's worth noting.
I'll update once I figure out what size stuffsack will work for packing this.
The first month I had this jaacket i LOVED it. Lightweight, warm and at a better price than the Patagonia down sweater. However, I am starting to notice it is falling apart in a few places. In the back of the colar, the seam has started to rip and a feather or two will fall out here and again. Also, where it has the Stoic logo on the back left of the jacket has almost completely fallen off. I used to work for Backcountry and have boasted to my new colleagues about how great the jacket is, but when the logo starts to fall off and seams start to slightly tear it doesn't look good.
Other than that it is VERY warm for the weight and I wear it as a layer under my Arc'teryx shell for snowboarding and as a casual jacket to and from work almost every day.
Got this jacket a few days ago. Very good fit, nice and snug, puffy and warm yet has an athletic fit to it. Wore it ice climbing while belaying and just walking around in a very cold Boulder Colorado. Has two inside pockets which are hugh, and four out side ones, which are all fleece lined. I would of bought this jacket if it was 225 instead of only 125 Hardly weighs anything not even a pound. I m 5 ' 11'' and weigh 145 and a medium fit like a charm.
I was thinking about The Patagonia down sweater, but it is too pricey. I'm 6'4" with a 48" chest, not a body builder, but athletic build so I'm concerned about the fit, especially arm & shoulders. I'd like to use this for snow boarding. Thanks for all the comments, sounds like a great coat.
Got this on SAC... Great down jacket... Very warm, without the "Marshmallow" puffiness... I had originally ordered a large but it was too tight more...