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Ready for the fast and light, the Stoic LTWT Step Sleeping Pad likes the ascetic life, but still appreciates a good night's sleep. This 1.5-inch thick pad signs on for ultralight summer peak bagging, overnight ski touring, and anything in between. Weighing in at only 23-ounces, you’ll barely notice the Stoic LTWT Step Sleeping Pad in your pack.
This pad surprised me, I got it for a 4 day backpacking trip from June Lake to Mammoth Lakes. It performed very well, as others have said I did not feel the ground at all even when sleeping on my side. Also the valve seems nice and sturdy, comes with a patch, and packs up nice, light, and small.
this thing took 20 hours to fully inflate out of the package. that was not a problem for me as i waited a few days to use it. i opened the valve last night in the tent in sub freezing temps. i came back what i am guessing was about ten minutes later and it was fully inflated. the foam does not shift, and the air does not move enough for me to notice when i roll around. i am a side and stomach sleeper and i noticed no excessive pressure points. nor was i sore in the morning. its a good three season pad. in winter temps i would definitely recommend some sort of foam pad under it. no complaints with performance. the weight description is about right. i store it inflated under the bed with the valve open. this may be just a theory, but i think the more the valve is closed, the more stress you put on the seals, however minimal. its pretty tough too. apparently i rolled off of it in the night, because i woke up cold. the dog had taken it over. he is 75lbs and i have as of yet had no leaks. i will update this review if anything changes.make sure not to crank down too hard on the velcro straps. i have broken one already (it should be mentioned that i was using it to compress something other than the pad). good thing they included 2. the pad does not like to roll up in any way other than how it came packaged. that doesnt mean much of anything to me, but they say if you store something with sealed-seams the same way every time, the seams break down at an accelerated rate.the stuff sack is fine. there is some extra room in the stuff sack around the rolled pad. you could probably fit a rain jacket or something like it in there.it came with a patch and small tube of adhesive. i have not had to use it yet. i have it duct taped inside the sack because it has a tendency to fall out.I am 6'3". when i sleep prone and stretch my feet out, they hang off the bottom of the pad. there was no long available when i purchased it. i am not sure how much weight they saved by stepping the pad down in height on the bottom third, but i DO NOT notice that it is less padding when i sleep.
I'm 6'0" 175lbs and this pad fits me just right. I like to sleep on my side and still I never felt the ground. Very comfortable and lightweight. I like that it comes with a patch and stuff sack. So far all my Stoic gear has been pretty quality.
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I am looking to pair my stoic LTWT step sleeping pad with some sort of chair... would it work with the therm-a-rest- Trekker? http://www.backcountry.com/therm-a-rest-trekker-chair
I would say this is Stoic's answer to the Therm-a-rest Prolite Plus. I've owned both and can attest to the indistinguishable comfort. The pros of this bag are that it comes with velcro compression straps, a stuff sack and a patch kit. The Prolite Plus doesn't include any of these add-ons even for its higher price. I haven't torn either bag yet, but I can say that the Prolite is much more confidence inspiring in the durability category. Then again, it doesn't have a back up patch kit, so a fail is a major bummer if you're on the first day of a multi-day backpacking trip.
Grabbed this off SaC, great price on there. I love it. It compresses pretty small and doesn't take long at all to inflate if you leave inflated during storage. I love the length, it works perfectly for hammock camping. It seems pretty sturdy, and includes a patch kit. I like to give it a few puffs of air after it has filled itself just to give it a little extra, but it's fine without it. The pad keeps me so much warmer than I was before with my other pad. I've used it in about 40 weather at the lowest so far, but will definitely use it in colder soon. With it I was incredibly comfortable in the stoic down 15 degree bag (If I wasn't then there would be a problem....). It's a solid pad for the price, and it's inexcusable to not get it if you see it on SaC.
I sleep on my back, side and occasionally stomach. This pad is just thick enough that I never feel the ground. Can't really ask for more, and the size and weight are plenty acceptable for the comfort. The shape works for my mummy and semi-rec bags alike as it tapers only a bit toward the foot. It isn't as thick at the bottom starting at about the calf, but unless you have some seriously heavy cankles you won't notice.
Great light weight summer pad. Due to high winds in the rockies though I will be on pad number two. A lesson learned to keep your gear stowed or tied down when high up with high winds.
Took outside for a test drive -- 20 degrees F out on my deck. I don't think I'd sleep on packed snow without something else, but I was fine laying on the deck. When on my side, I don't feel any spots where I'm bottoming out. It took 4 or 5 good breaths to get it to where it felt good to me straight out of the bag.
I also learned this could slide INSIDE my mummy bag if I wanted to double up a couple of these, sleeping both on one below and one in the bag. Plenty of room in the pack sack, and the free included patch kit was a welcome relief.
Is this self inflating? I just got one off of SAC and it doesn't seem to be inflating after about an hour. I don't want to blow in it if I'm not supposed to(I heard it damages self infating mattresses).
A self inflating pad never self inflates after being stored in a compressed state for a long period of time. You should never expect a brand new pad to self inflate when you open it for the first time. You need to store it fully inflated without the valve closed. When it does self inflate you will still need to top it off by blowing into it or it won't be firm enough. This is just an FYI.
Make sure you store the mattress fully open and inflated when not in use. One possible explanation to the mattress not inflating might be it being in the stuff sack during storage and shipping. I have the same one and as long as I keep it inflated during storage it inflates fine.
I upgraded from a half length Pack M@ solid cell inflatable foam pad I got on SnC and it was well worth it. This Stoic one weighs about a half pound less :D AND packs down to the same size! I'd say it even works as well to keep you insulated from the ground as my other pad due to its longer length, even if it does have a criss cross cutout patten (to save weight).
Be careful with the length of this pad as it's about as long as my tent. Definitely overkill for me at 5'11'', but not a dealbreaker due to it being lighter than my other pad.
The material on the bottom (grey color) feels more durable and possibly more water resistant than the top material (blue color), but I haven't tested it enough to verify that. The top material feels softer and reminds me of the Stoic WPF Compression Sack a bit.
Overall it's a great pad, very plush, and keeps me off the ground even on my side. Seals are great all around, haven't had any leaks and the bag/patches it comes with are a cool little bonus, but it's much larger than the rolled up pad needs. It did take 24-48 hours to fully inflate after I initally opened it up.
Well, it's light, it's compact. Finished the inflation in about 30 seconds by blowing up. Temp range outside tent was 5 degrees to 35 degrees. Snow outside, but not under tent. Warm, comfortable. Must be good, cause when I rolled off in my Marmot 15 deg. bag, there was a big diff in temp from pad to ground. I recommend this pad. Packable, comfortable and did well.
Is the R value of 2.9 just for the 1.5" thick portion of the pad, or the average insulation value across the entire pad? (i.e. more than 2.9 at the torso and less at the feet)
This is just an out-of-the box review, but I'm super excited about it. Because I haven't actually used it yet, I can really only verify the specs. It weighs (with the two straps but without the included stuff sack and patch kit) 21 and 3/8 ounces (just under 1.5 pounds), and measures 4.75" x 11" when rolled! This is WAY smaller than I expected, but I think I might just pay more attention and take more time to roll things smaller than most. With it rolled so small, the velcro straps don't quite line up because the strap ends up wrapping all the way around and covers the "loop" side of the velcro leaving nowhere for the "hooks" to hook up. The stuff sack is too big for this bag, and I don't think I'll be using it much. Perhaps I can stick some long johns in there with it or something, but I just don't see myself using it much.
It was either this pad or the Big Agnes Insulated Air Core pad, and from a money perspective, this is such a great deal (from the SAC anyway). It is nearly equivalent in every way. The quoted weights are practically equal, the packed sizes are comparable, and although the R-Value of the BA is a bit higher, I'm going to be bring a foam pad along with me when it really counts anyway (Thermarest Z-lite), and I on't need too much more than that (I read somewhere that this pad has approximately 2.9 average R-value).
I'm very excited, and I can't believe how inexpensive this was for the product.
Next to my Jetboil stove, this has been by far one of my best purchases. Extremely light weight, compactable and easy to roll-up/store. No design flaws to speak of.
The Stoic LTWT Step Sleeping Pad - Regular should be classified as a 3-season pad. If camping on the snow, your Z-rest (closed-cell foam pad) would be a highly recommended companion.
I've never been so comfortable, rested, and warm while camping. This does so much better than the foam pads and air mattresses of the past! And so worth it for the money. I have now learned my lesson.
My boyfriend had an issue with it sliding down while sleeping. This shouldn't be a problem if you put your tent down in a level spot. If your spot isn't level you might want to lay a shirt down to eliminate shifting.
For the money this is a great pad (Got it on SAC). I just got done using it for several days of backpacking, and it worked great. No complaints here, in fact I'm going to get a second one for my wife.
The current line of Stoic sleeping pads are insulated with open-cell foam - no synthetic or down insulation beyond the main foam giving these pads their self-inflating qualities. Even so, this pad would be most accurately classified as a 3-season pad.
Stay tuned for 2011 season... great new styles under development.
For the money, this pad is a great option. It's definitely better than your typical foam pad. I just took it on a week long trip out in the parks and forests of West Viriginia. I'm sure there are plenty of better pads out there, but this is not a bad option by any means. It is light, packs down to a decent size (about 1.80 times the size of a typical Nalgene bottle, and has cinch straps and a stuff sack to keep it compact. I was able to get it on SteepandCheap for $36, so how could I say no?
R-Value for Stoic LTWT Step Sleeping Pad - Regular is 2.9. Thickness of this pad is 1.5" at top end (top 2/3 of pad), and "STEPS" down to 1" thick at bottom end (bottom 1/3 of pad). If used alone, this pad is best suited for 3-season use. Paired with a closed-cell foam pad, the Stoic LTWT Step would be great for 4-season use as well.
so i got this pad for christmas and was able to use it over the last few weeks while traveling in central america. it is my first self inflated pad so i was a bit leary at first but have come to like it quite a bit. i will say if it is kept rolled up for a bit it takes a little while to inflate but its not too inconvinient. when completly filled up though it is very comfortable . it also rolls up very small and is very light weight. overall a very comfortable pad that i will be using on an A.T. thru-hike
2.5" is hard to believe, but I'd hope it is at least 1.5" with that weight. Worth pointing out that the name is different than the 1" thick model- this is the LTWT Step and the 1" thick model is the LTWT. Maybe they're analogous to the Prolite Plus and the Prolite, respectively.
Anthony, This is only a guess, because who is to say that the weight is correctly listed? But at 1 pound 7 ounces, it must be 1" thick. If you compare it to other brand's sleeping pads you will find it falls into the same weight category. The 2.5" thick pads tend to weigh in significantly higher. But again, this is simply speculation. I would recommend opening a live chat window with a service rep and have someone in the warehouse actually go look at it (they will do that for you). I hope this helps!
I've not tried this pad outdoors yet. But I wanted to note some 1st impressions:
I like the brass valve body, although it's smaller and heavier than REI & Thermarest. There is a patch kit included (unlike the REI LiteCore), 2 long velcro straps and a big stuff sack. It's longer & a hair wider than the LiteCore, seems thinner, & takes more effort to blow up.
The only way I could get the weight of this pad close to the listed 652g is by weighing the pad alone. With everything my scale showed more like 670g, maybe 30g less than my CoreLite.
This pad is right up there with Therma-rest in quality! It is thicker between the head and butt and then is thinner from below the butt to the feet! This is beneficial because your legs don't need as much padding as your body and it packs down smaller and is lighter! I highly recommend this pad to everyone!
Just an FYI... A self inflating pad never self inflates after being stored in a compressed state for a long period of time. You should never expect a brand new pad to self inflate when you open it for the first time. You need to store it fully inflated without the valve closed. When it does self inflate you will still need to top it off by blowing into it or it won't be firm enough.
For the price, you really can't beat this pad. I've used Big Agnes and Thermarest pads, and this one is just as good as those...probably better since it comes with a patch kit too. Super comfortable and hasn't deflated even a little any time I've used it. Highly recommended!
Great Mat! I recently went on a 4 day backpacking trip from June Lake to Mammoth, this mat was awesome. I first considered spending some $ on a Neo Air but that thing makes all sorts of "crunchy sounds". Got this on SAC for a a great price and highly recommend it . I'm 5'11" and 160 pounds, mat fit me great and did not feel the ground when slept on my side. I have a RAB 25 degree bag, it got down to 28 degrees F at night and the pad kept me plenty warm.
This pad surprised me, I got it for a 4 day backpacking trip from June Lake to Mammoth Lakes. It performed very well, as others have said I did not feel more...
this thing took 20 hours to fully inflate out of the package. that was not a problem for me as i waited a few days to use it. i opened the valve last night more...