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Just picked up a pair of 191 Scott P4 and mounted Marker Dukes on them. Definately not the lightest set up, but I would honestly rather suffer through the uphill pain than ever go smaller again. I am 5'9 175 lbs, and the 191 was perfect size for me. I spent my first 2 days on them in the Bridger Range in deep powder, and they were some of the best powder runs of my life. No need to slow these things down, just trust them and haul ass all the way to the bottom and enjoy the ride. I have my dukes mounted +3 and had no problem with tip dive on these skis. I skied some steep and deep lines, and it I was full throttle forward and was still floating. I really don't think that you can get too far forward on these things, and that gives you unbelievable confidence in my opinion. I haven't got to ski them in any variable snow conditions yet, but look forward to it, because I'm betting they rip in any conditioin!
This ski rips in powder, crud and on groomers. I wish I mounted mine 1 or 2 cm back from the line. In deep snow I get a little nose dive. I love this ski.
I just took my first couple of days on the 185's i purchased this summer. I have to tell you, I was switching from some all mountain Apache's, and I immediately felt like a better skier. They rip the front side of the mountain better than those carvers, initiating turns is super easy, and they killed it on the top face at winter park. I finally know what it feels like to confidently rip down a fluffy face like that....wow.
Product Testing @ Heavenly
Got on these this weekend for the first time and was super impressed. Typically ski around a 190 and was concerned I went too small with the 181, but am super happy with the shorter length (6'0" 165 lbs). Can be skied real loose and flowy, but is solid and snappy when things get tight. I was also highly impressed at smoothly it landed jumps and drops, really absorbing a lot of the impact. I highly recommend this little secret.
Tele Setup Advice..
There were lots of comments earlier here about 'core center' vs. 'chord center'. Chalk that up to poor listening skills. (And slap the ski product manager who printed 'core center' on his skis...that's just lame.) The proper term is 'chord center', which is the balance point of a ski if you were to balance it end-to-end on a knife edge - without bindingsChord center is mainly a tele setup term. In the 'ole days, it was where the pins of a tele boot were mounted. Nowadays, chord center is just a point of reference: NObody mounts tele bindings at chord center anymore.For alpine skiers, you can easily equate tele boot pin location to your mid-boot measurement. Tele pins are located on the duckbill at the front of the boo: measure from your middle-boot line to approx 1/2 cm ahead of the front of the boot toe box.For skis that are ~ 90mm midfoot, you should mount tele bindings at least 3 cm ahead of chord center. The resulting more centered stance makes turning much quicker. I describe the difference as feeling 'on top of your skis' as opposed to 'steering' your skis, and it still leaves plenty of float up front.My main skis are 183cm, 100mm mid-foot Line Prophets, mounted 4 cm ahead of chord center. They work very well in Pacific NW deep, heavy snow, to tight, VT icy bump runs. If you ski in the park, you should consider mounting them 6+ cm ahead of chord center.You can gain a lot more versatility by purchasing binding plates such as the Hammerhead and Rottefella NTN mounting plates. These are thin (~2-3 mm thick) metal plates that get screwed to your ski. They offer at least 2 different fore/aft mounting positions: use the forward position for in-bounds/sidecountry skiing, and switch to the rear position for deep snow. The beauty of the mounting plates is that you can quickly swap the binding position: the plate remains mounted to the ski, but provides multiple fore/aft binding holes.You owe it to yourself to experiment with mounting position.I also have a pair of Line Prophet 130s for deep snow conditions that are mounted 2.5 cm ahead of chord center.I swear I am not a shill for Line Skis, but I have to say they are fantastic skis...
I am looking for a pair of skis if you...
I am looking for a pair of skis if you have any suggestion let me know. I grew up on skis but broke my leg when i was young so i switched to snowboarding now i want to get back on a pair of skis.Im 19years old 6ft 1in 210lb.
What kind of skiing are you planning on doing (groomers, bumps, powder, trees, park, pipe)? Where will you ski most often (intermountain west, northeast, northwest, coastal, midwest, Canada, Europe)? How agressive of a skier do you think you'll become after re-familiarizing yourself with skiing (did you grow up as a racer or just skiing a couple times a year)? We can't make any recommendations unless you give us information to base that recommendation on.
Got these off SAC in 191s, great flotation on powder days, surprisingly good on the groomers. Twin tips make them ski a bit shorter. I mounted them with center boot over the arrow on the sidewall...seemed to work out pretty well. I still grab the Mantra's for most days, but these are a fun addition to the quiver
Great all around skis
I have a pair of super fat powder skis and a pair of park skis but since I bought these last year I never ski anything else. If you are into skiing frontwards and backwards in any conditions on any terrain then these are your ski. The early taper makes the skis super playful and you never have to worry about your edges. The early rise is enough to make you float in pow with out having to deal with reverse camber. They are stiff enough to blast through chopped up terrain but soft enough to do a nose press without having to fight too much. They are really light weight for their size and work great in the park. The width of the ski provides way more stability then the skinny park skis. I would recommend them to anyone.
what is the strongest point in this ski?...
what is the strongest point in this ski? or is it just a great one ski quiver.
Kind of a big mountain, all mountain ski. Not a park ski, not the best on the groomed runs, but rips the pow pretty good
I think that is it's strong point, and to me its only strong point.
Converted me from snowboarding
My buddies all ski and convinced me to get back into skiing so I bought some Rossi S3's. Not impressed. Then I got some P4's for the pow days. This is an incredible ski. It is so damp that you don't get thrown all over when your busting through chop. Although its a relatively wide underfoot (108mm @ 191cm length), it handles great on groomers and ice, and its been decent for me in the moguls. It really shines in the pow and chop. This skis a little short due to the Pro-Tip geometry so the 191 feels more like a 185 or so.
One of my friend uses this ski as his all-mountain ski because its capable of all types of terrain. To say the least, because of these skis I have spent more days skiing this year than snowboarding.
Fun in the deep stuff...
These skis are a blast in the deep stuff. And they aren't too bad edge to edge on the groomers either. They would be a blast if they were lighter.
I don't tour, but i can't see these being fun to lug around unless its deeeeeeep.
I have also had problems with bindings ripping out. I've ripped the heel piece out of both skis. at different times.
i believe its the ski. but it could be the binding, i am not a ski tech.
Go with the longer versions (181+). The 171's just don't have the stability to blast through chop. (could be my crappy skiing)
still a very very fun ski. charges hard.
Hiking up Headwaters.
Great powder ski. Very supple rebound out of deep powder turns, but firm enough to fly down the groomer back to the lift. I considered the 181, but am glad I bought the 191 because the effective edge is really only about 181 cm due to the twin-tip design.
Anyone have experience with this ski setup...
Anyone have experience with this ski setup Tele? Thoughts....
I haven't tried this in a tele setup, I'm sure it would be sick though if you can handle the weight. Because of the sandwiched Titanal core it is a little heavier. But its a solid ski. I would say if you plan on skinning extended trip in the backcountry a lighter ski might be a better option. I have some AT bindings mounted on the Scott Punishers which are lighter and have almost as wide tip and tail but they are 90mm underfoot. More of an all mountain type of ski.
i have a friend who skis these with a tele set up says there the best ski he has ever had
Last Years P4s at PCMR
The goat ALWAYS increases horsepower
This ski kills it!
I went from the Gotamas to this ski with the intention of getting on something a little beefier. Success! I am 5'3" 120lb female ex-racer and just like others say, its a GS ski for powder. I have it mounted with a Marker Baron, which makes it a bit stiffer. Its heavy for the backcountry, but once you get your ass up there it shines! At the resort it hooks up great for big turns on the groomers; the elevation of the Baron probably helps. It's not my everyday ski for the resort, as it is not that quick in the tight trees. Nonetheless, it has a decent swing weight, so I get by.
Just right for me
These skis ski just like I want a ski to ski, they are are not to wide they have some give to them and the few cm of a false front makes them very easy to ski in powder what ever the angle. They shine when things get steep and speeds get faster they are very satble and have great power transfer.
They come with a stupid sticker, to indicate the spot to mount the buinding, on then ripi that thing off mine was off kilter so I would be suspect of the others. I had mine mounted 1.5cm foward of the cemter of the boot mark on the ski and have been very happy with this set up, it is not to laied back or to far foward.
By the way I am 6'1" 210lbs and I ski the 191cm.
Awesome Ski in Powder and Crud!! I am 6'5" and an aggressive skier and found the P4 was able to keep up with everything I through at it and more. Instead of my legs telling me it was time to get off the mountain at the end of the day it was the lifties kicking me off. The only down side to these skis is that the are a bit heavy and for those looking for a ski the could use on a day-to-day basis (such as myself) know that they are big skis. Well done Scott