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    Take the next step up a steep and icy face when you slide your feet in the rugged Phantom 6000.

    Give your foot a warm and sturdy platform to help you crush your next winter ascent when you lace and zip it up inside the Scarpa Phatom 6000 Mountaineering Boot. This fortress of warmth features a built-in zip-up gaitor for sealing out the skin-searing cold and a waterproof liner so your feet stay dry even on slushy snowfields in late May.
    • The tough S-tech upper’s rubber rand holds up to the abuse any frozen mountain dishes out
    • Toe and heel plastic rands secure your crampons as you begin a climb into the heavens
    • Waterproof liner is beefed up with a layer of EVA foam and heat-reflective aluminum to keep the warm air inside
    • Insole and midsole cushion your steps while staying sensitive enough to feel each foothold before you take the next
    • Vibram Mulaz outsole grips the rocks and snow as you approach the icefall
    • Ergofit System stretches in the ankle for a dynamic fit for aggressive ice climbers and mountaineers
    • Removable Mountain Lite liner lets you dry the sweaty liners in your sleeping bag on longer expeditions to keep them fresh and unfrozen
    • Item #SCR0148

    Tech Specs

    Shell Material
    [shell] S-Tech (Cordura with 10% elastane), [lining] Waterproof-OD, Lorica, 5mm EVA
    Insulation
    synthetic
    Closure
    lace, zipper
    Removable Liner
    yes
    Crampon Compatibility
    step-in
    Sole
    [outsole] Vibram Mulaz, [insole] Pro-Fiber XT
    Midsole
    PU
    Claimed Weight
    [single] 2 lb 3 oz
    Recommended Use
    alpine & expedition
    Manufacturer Warranty
    1 year

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    Warm, nimble, but...

    • Familiarity:I've used it several times
    • Fit:Runs small
    • Size Bought: 47

    These are astonishing boots. They feel no heavier than my Nepal Extremes, and only a little bulkier. I spent a day out in serious cold (-8F to -12F, depending on whose thermometer you believed), and my toes were never cold. Stable walking, stable front pointing on steep waterfall ice. Sort of. More on that below.

    Fit. These run really small. I have 45.5 Nepal Extremes; a 46 would be more comfortable. I wear 46 in two different Scarpa hiking boots. To get the Phantom 6000 to fit I had to go to size 47. These are relatively narrow boots; good for my narrow feet, but if you're running wide ones you could have trouble. I personally like a higher gaiter than the ones built into these boots, but the fit at the top of the built-ins is snug. I wear a pair of OR Crocodiles over them, for the height and for protection from errant crampon points.

    The liners are surprisingly thin, given the warmth, but they seem to work. I fitted the boots with my orthotics, and wearing fairly heavy socks (the narrow, low-volume feet thing). Liners are also not easy to get into, but that improves - some - with practice. The lacing gizmo for the outer boots is clever and quick; once tightened my feet feel held in place, no heel lift, no slippage. But after some hours in action I invariably notice that my laces have loosened some. Easy enough to redo, but annoying that it's necessary. The front zippers need their lube; without it they're stiff. I've tried both the supplied lubricant (great!) and Vaseline (not as good, but worked), and with lubrication the zippers run fine.

    My main complaint with these boots is that it's been a major pain getting crampons to fit. I've been climbing ice for about 3 decades, and I've never had this kind of trouble getting crampons to match a pair of boots. Standard BD front bails are sloppy; I can move the crampon front section back and forth with my hands (I"ve tried Cyborgs and Sabertooths). The small front bail improves the fit, but leaves too little front point showing if fitted to the first slot, and too much if fitted to the second slot. The loop in Grivel front bails bump against the sides of the boot toes, pushing the bail out of the toe groove. Scary. I haven't tried Petzl yet. I didn't want to have to buy new crampons to work with the boots, but it's looking like I'll have to.

    So that's it. Warm, pretty light, you can dance in 'em, assuming you could dance before. Just check your crampon fit when you buy them. You could be in for an expensive surprise..

    Great Boot, But Sizing is Off

    • Familiarity:I've put it through the wringer
    • Fit:Runs small
    • Size Bought: 47

    You can't go wrong purchasing these boots. There are some key things to know when ordering when it comes to sizing though.

    It is well known that Scarpa has some sizing issues with these boots. They run very small. I initially thought I would need a 45 or more likely a 46 to fit my very wide, size 11 feet, along with a liner sock and mountaineering socks. The 45 was never going to work and the 46 felt too tight with anything other than a very thin sock, which I wasn't planning on using. I ended up going with the 47 boots. I wear them with an REI wool liner sock and Darn Tough Mountaineering socks. My fit is moderately snug but with ample room to move my toes around. No toe ban on down hills and heel lift if fairly minimal once I switched out the stock foot beds for orange Superfeet insoles. Kicking in with crampons on is also not a problem.

    So back to the sizing issue:

    My sense was that these boots were off by one full size relative to what I have typically worn in the past and Scarpa's own size chart. The 47 equates to a size 13 US men's by the numbers. In any other boot, even with full socks on, I would be swimming in a 47, but not these boots.

    Interestingly, the stock insoles that come with these boots reveal the true size. My 47 listed boots, had size 46 stamped foot beds in them. Again, these boots fit like a 46. I don't know if this is a Scarpa production error/mislabeling or what, but trust me, once you look at the size chart and figure out what size you need based on the numbers and your foot measurement, be sure to add +1 to that number before ordering. If the chart reveals you need a 44, start with that but be sure to also order a 45, as the latter is likely to be the one that fits.

    **As an aside, the Scarpa Phantom 8000 boots also have the same fitting issue. I need a 47 in that boot as well. The insoles were also stamped with 46. However, this is not the case with the Phantom Guides, which come in half sizes. In that boot I wear a 45.5, with a medium cushion sock and fit is perfect for a technical single boot I won't be using at altitude. The insoles on these were marked 45.**

    Two aspects of these boots make them winners:

    1. Weight
    2. Lacing system

    They are super lightweight and the lacing system is superb. I have seen some reviews that less than enthusiastic about the stock liner that comes with the boot, but I love it and have not had any issues with it. Just switch out the stock insoles and you should be good to go. Please note that these liners are not heat moldable, although I've tried.

    My only complaint is that the toe welt is fairly narrow around the sides and doesn't fit Black Diamond crampons as well as other brands. I use them and the fit is 'good', but not great. Other than that minor detail, which can be fixed by swapping out toe bails (BD's replaced by Petzl), these boots are a very worthy investment.

    I should add one last comment about the T-Zip zipper system:

    I have not had any issues with the zipper but you just need to make sure it is well lubricated. It runs smoother and won't freeze up on you.

    Amazingly light/low profile double boots

    • Familiarity:I've put it through the wringer
    • Fit:True to size

    When I first bought these boots, my idea was to have one boot that could take me pretty much anywhere my winter climbing would take me. Eventually I bought a pair of lighter single boots for warmer days and more technical climbs, but the Phantom 6000s perform so well that I find myself wearing them almost every time I go out.



    I've climbed in these boots in temps as low as -27F in the Canadian Rockies and had no issues with cold feet, and I've also been technical mixed climbs and had minimal issues with excess bulk.



    The integrated gaitor is very functional and can be used to tuck one's pants in when it's time for more delicate footwork.



    Photo: getting ready for a climb of the Ham n Eggs Couloir on the Mooses Tooth, with a view of Denali in the distance.

    Amazingly light/low profile double boots

    Fantastic Boots

    • Familiarity:I've used it several times
    • Fit:True to size

    While comfort and warmth are to a large extent subjective, here's what I think of these boots.

    I tried on the Spantiks, Baruntses, and the Phantoms side-by-side and the comfort of the Phantoms was superior.

    I kept the Phantoms and wore them so far on Cotopaxi, Chimborazo, Mount Washington NH (winter), and various ice climbs in the north east. I was glad to find out that on top of comfy they are really warm. In all of the above climbs I wore just a wool sock liner - did not wear thick hiking socks.

    I can't speak for Denali, but I plan to climb it in these and have a pair of 40 below just in case.



    The inner boot, is more of a foam sock than a stiff foam inner boot like the ones on Koflachs. But that doesn't make then flimsy by any means. As a matter of fact they are very warm, very form-fitting, and they also have a stiff sole that you can walk around in when at base camp.

    Double boot that climbs like a single

    • Familiarity:I've put it through the wringer
    • Fit:Runs small

    I switched to using the Phantom 6000's for alpine climbing in the Alaska Range, and I couldn't be happier.

    The Phantom 6000's keep my feet very warm, but they fit and move like single boots, making me much more comfortable on technical terrain.

    These boots are also several ounces lighter than my previous double were, a noticeable weight difference on long days.

    The lacing system is simple and easy to use with gloves on. The integrated gaitor with waterproof zipper works really well.

    Almost perfect out of the box.

      I felt really good about these boots right out of the box. Before these boots I was clunking around in heavy Invernos so these felt great. Light and reasonably comfortable to walk in, but seem stiff enough for technical ice, and they fit perfectly with my BD Saber Tooths. First time out, I took them out on a 12 mile slog (2k ft of elv. gain) through snow and ice @ 20 F with moderate winds. They are defiantly warm (below tree line, I unzipped the gaiters my feet were so warm). After a few miles I did notice some heel lift and heal hot spots. By the end of the hike my feet were pretty beat up. After getting home and drying them out (mostly from sweat, the gaiters work well) I noticed that the stock foot-beds are pretty flimsy. I decided to give them another try with some green Superfeet and sock liners to take up some extra volume and mitigate some of that heal lift. I tried this configuration on my second hike, about 4 miles of level terrain through deep snow and again around 20 F, and my feet felt fine afterwards. Even tough the chewed my feet up initially I'm giving them 4 stars because i think they still have potential to be great boots with the after market liners. I'll have to put them trough the wringer to know for sure.

      Great Boots

        Originally bought the La Sportiva Batura 2.0's, but the heal on them was way too tight and the tongue on those boots cut into my foot. Returned them and bought these for Liberty Ridge on Rainier (will be doing in the next few months). Wore them on 17 mile hikes to break them in and then for Notch Couloir on Longs Peak.What I have to say is that they are incredibly comfortable for being triple boots. Cold was never a problem in the sub-freezing temps (20s F). Will revise review after Rainier, and planning on wearing these on Denali in the next couple years as well.

        Buy These Boots!

        • Familiarity:I've put it through the wringer

        Bought these for several trips. Worked great on Aconcagua (downright toasty on summit day, crampons all day). Taking to Denali next. Much better than my old Koflachs: lighter, more comfortable, and much less problem with liner absorbing sweat. Will take overboots to Denali but may not need. Huge fan of these boots.

        Simply fantastic

          Warm. Light. So comfortable! Those in La Sportiva Baruntses complained that their boots were, "filled with buckets of water" and my feet were bone dry! These things are the most comfortable double boot I've ever worn -- no shin bang, no blisters, no discomfort with thousands of feet of french technique (OK, maybe just a bit!)

          Pluses: The tizip zipper seems robust and really does keep water out! Simple lacing system. Comfortable (if they fit you well). Climb remarkably well for a double boot.

          Minuses: The liner is thin and looks a bit chintsy...but so far, it's held up great! I'll probably replace it with an intuition liner as soon as it wears out.

          initial impressions

            Tried on the LS Spantik, LS Baruntse, and Scarpa Phantom 6000. I found that the 6000 fit my med to low arched feet the best. I initially liked the spantiks but couldn't get a decent fit, lots of heel lift, and was turned off by the funky lacing system. I wear a 46-46.5 in scarpa approach shoes and went with the 47 in the 6000.

            I recently used them on some moderate ice climbs in the San Juan Mountains and was a little apprehensive about climbing in doubles instead of my LS Nepal Extremes. I really enjoyed climbing in the 6000 and didn't feel at all like they were holding me back, it doesn't feel like you are climbing in a big clunky double boot, the super gaiter is awesome, they felt super toasty, The lacing system and the espcially the power strap are great. Like someone suggested, I backed up the speed lace buckle with a reef knot to hold it in place and keep the laces from loosening.

            Dane's reviews were really helpful in figuring out all the boot debating. Thanks Dane! I noticed that the Palau liners for the Baruntse did in fact work pretty well as a liner for the 6000. For me, it seemed the 45.5-46 Palua sized liner was comprable in size to the 47 stock liner for the 6000. I definitely noticed that with the palau liners the 6000 turned into a stiffer and more supportive boot.

            a 2.5 # dbl boot is finally back!

              Full review here:

              http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2010/08/its-back-scarpa-6000-dbl-boot-and-2.html

              Unanswered Question

              Hi all,

              I wear a 43.5 in the Phantom Guide and love them. I'm getting these for Denali and want to know about how much I should size up. Any help would be awesome! Thanks!

              Unanswered Question

              Am looking for a boot for 7000'ers in Indian Himalayas/ Central Asia. Scarpa says these (Phantom 6000) are suitable for 7000 m peaks. Can someone provide useful info or is someone there reading this who has been up to 7000 + with these boots?
              Thanks in advance.

              hi, is these shoes for wide foot? I have normal or maybe narrow foot, so does these shoes fit on me? need help fast please

              I ice climb from time to time, and this winter I will take an intro mountainering course. This past winter while climbing in the Hyalite canyon at 22 deg, my toes (like my fingers) were pretty cold (in my Nepal Evo boots, which I otherwise love) which made me miserable. I am looking for some comfortable boots for someone like myself, whose toes get cold easily. I probably will not be going very high in elevation, no more than 14,000 feet or so. Recommendations? Thank you for the help.

              Hey denp436529!



              Due to the construction of this boot you will find it is going to be warmer than the Nepal Evo. The built in gaitor not only helps trap some heat, but will keep your feet drier compared to just wearing those nepals with pants and an over boot gaitor. For the climbing and mountaineering you are doing these sound like a great choice. If you would like to talk about ordering a pair or have other questions please contact me.



              Dan Gates

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              Hi, I used US 11 M, EUR 44 1/2 on my Salewa Men's Mountain Trainer Mid GTX Hiking Boot, and I'm wondering if I've to go with a 11 also on this boots or go to a 12 (EUR 46), since I've read that many people had some issues with small numbers. Any advice?

              Which boots will be the best choice for Aconcagua-Phantom 6000 or La Sportiva Baruntse? Are Phantom 600O wider than Baruntse? Is size 48 of Phantom 6000 equal to US size 14?

              Best Answer

              Hi J.W.,

              I was there a couple of years ago. I used La Sportiva Spantiks and they worked GREAT ! For my approach boot I used La Spotiva EVO's. The temps are only "extreme" from camp 3 to the summit. Spantiks or the equivilent will do.

              Hi I'm just wondering about these boots for denali, I was told they would be warm enough and won't need overboots, but the guide companies seam to be telling their clients to go with 8k'ers like Olympus mons etc...

              Are these a lot warmer than the spatniks? Also I'm a size 45 should I be upsizing to a 46?

              Best Answer

              The Spantiks are going to be warmer than these. I would say you might be able to get away with a pair of these but, definitely bring some Forty Below over boots. Those over boots could save your hide if you are ready for a summit push and the temperature drops. They are just really good to have on a trip of that length with the possibility for that kind of cold. I would also up size a bit to accommodate any swelling from altitude that you might have. I didnt have any swelling and up sized my boots for no reason but, it would have been terrible if I did not plan for that. I would go with these if I had used them before in -30 degrees with my over boot and was fine. If it was my first time on a trip like this I might think about getting the 8000's just to be sure. Once your up there there is no swapping out boots, if its too cold for your feet to climb you are going to be sitting in your tent. When we were up there definitely saw people with these, the Spantiks and the 8000's. Just depends on the individual.

              These are fine boots, but I wouldn't take them to Denali, maybe unless you're going in July, and are prepared to wait in your tent on summit day if it's really cold. I wore Spantiks with Forty Below overboots on Memorial weekend, and my feet were marginally warm enough. And I ski all winter with just liner socks. There's a reason Spantiks are the gold standard for really cold technical climbing.

              These boots are fine for Denali. I climbed Denali between late May/early June (2014) with these boots and I was fine. My feet stayed warm. I did bring 40 Below overboots; I wouldn't go to Denali without them, despite which boot you're wearing. The liners seem a bit flimsy, but they're OK. I did bring a second boot liner, though (from the Baruntse), which was nice to have, though I think I would have been fine without them. I switched between the two liners depending on where I was on the mountain and the weather. These are great boots. If they fit, go for it.



              Check out these posts from the Cold Thistle blog regarding the Phantoms and the Baruntse liners:



              http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2013/01/true-love-dane-and-his-boots.html



              http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2010/11/double-boot-inner-boots-molding-fitting.html

              I am looking for a boot for denali, any...

              I am looking for a boot for denali, any help would be great, I know everyone wears the spatnik apparently , guess I am more asking about the baturas 2.0 and the phantom 6000, would they be warm enough. I'm in Aus and no one sells these in store!

              Best Answer

              Hi Daniel,



              These would easily be warm enough. I assume you're not going for a winter ascent? Regardless, these should be more than warm enough. These are nice because you won't need an overboot with them. The removable liner is also key, as you can take it out and put it in your sleeping bag with you each night. Hope this helps!

              How would these compare to the Spantik?

              How would these compare to the Spantik?

              Best Answer

              You have better control over fit with the P6000 than the Spantik due to the lacing system (especially better heel lock). P6000 is lower volume, lighter, and has better ground feel than the Spantik. I don't have a direct comparison of warmth, but the P6000 might be only slightly less insulating if I had to guess. I've used my Phantoms at -20F and my feet stayed warm in a medium weight pair of SmartWool socks.

              You have better control over fit with the P6000 than the Spantik due to the lacing system (especially better heel lock). P6000 is lower volume, lighter, and has better ground feel than the Spantik. I don't have a direct comparison of warmth, but the P6000 might be only slightly less insulating if I had to guess. I've used my Phantoms at -20F and my feet stayed warm in a medium weight pair of SmartWool socks.

              I wear size 43,should I up size or go with...

              I wear size 43,should I up size or go with my size? For a trip to Elbrus (summer) are they an overkill? I am planing to go in my Nepal Evo GTX. Help needed fast!!!!

              Best Answer

              It depends on how you react to altitude. Do your feet swell a lot at altitude? My first high altitude trip I sized up just in case and found my feet didnt swell that much so I could have gotten away with a smaller size. I wouldnt say these are overkill, really depends on who you are and your style of climbing. If your going to be moving slow, I'd probably rock something like these just to ensure warmth. You can always dry em out if you sweat, Im a cold person and I would always rather deal with the moisture and the black toe.

              Unanswered Question

              These boots seem to run a bit small. Has...

              These boots seem to run a bit small. Has that been the case for others out there? I'm trying out a size 44 right now and my big toe is just about at the end of the liner (I typically were a 9.5 street shoe and regular hiking boot). The shells seem like they're the right size, though (about two fingers worth of space between my heel and the shell). Am I missing something?

              I'm looking for a boot to use in Bolivia...

              I'm looking for a boot to use in Bolivia on about 4-5 peaks over 6000m. Would you recommend the LS Batura 2.0 or the Scarpa Phantom 6000?

              Hi, spent over a month in Bolivia last year with the Batura EVO, climbed Huayna Potosi, Condoriri, Alpamayo Chico and Illimani. Only on the final stretch of Illimani at around 6300m I felt a little cold on my feet. But the Baturas are so much lighter than the plastic double boots everybody else was wearing. I would definitely recomend them for Bolivia. I met a guy that was climbing with the Scarpa Phantom 6000 in Huayna and he was very pleased with them too. I supose the Scarpas are a bit warmer then the Baturas, also a bit less stiff. Both probably will fill your needs.

              Looking for something for up to -40c static...

              Looking for something for up to -40c static with 30-40mph winds , would they withstand normaly or montblack or phantom guide will do aswell? i assume liner will do its job to 0f while moving or so but havent seen any reviews on -40 -50c if anyone used them on these tempretures please share experience

              Best Answer

              Once you're talking about temperatures that extreme, don't play games with your toes. Plan for the worst case scenario, and look into a boot designed for 8000m peaks.



              My gut says you might be fine with this when weather cooperates, but if the weather turns on you, you'd be in trouble.

              How do these compare to Baturas 2.0 in...

              How do these compare to Baturas 2.0 in terms of warmth and ankle support?

              Fernando - word is that the Phantom 6000 is a double boot that climbs like a single (and really weighs about the same as a single). You don't have the feeling of being way up high that you get on the Batura 2.0, and that contributes to a bit more stability for climbing or when wearing crampons.



              In terms of warmth, many of the very best cold weather boots do two things to eliminate weight and make the boots warmer. They use a hard foam insole/midsole to help insulate from the ground up. They also make the lug pattern and sole as thin as possible, again to save weight. Scarpa uses both techniques on the 6000 and I think to good effect on this boot.



              Check out this link for the full review with some comparison to the Batura:

              http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2010/08/its-back-scarpa-6000-dbl-boot-and-2.html

              I normally wear a 48 but sometimes a 47...

              I normally wear a 48 but sometimes a 47 is good. If I order 47s and they are too small, can I return them?

              I live in Seattle and could not find a local store with them in stock.

              How do these walk? I've owned vasque leather...

              How do these walk?
              I've owned vasque leather single boots for ages and I love how they hike and ice climb, but they are cold.
              I've owned Koflach Arc Exp boots and they killed my shins after just 2 miles approaching the ice.
              Has anyone walked on flat ground for a few miles in these? If so what was your experience?
              BTW cold tistle blog was a great read. Dane was really exact in his review, but this question remains. He said " The 6000 is light in weight and easy to walk in." I guess I'm looking for a second opinion. Here in Idaho you hike a few miles to get to the ice, and I'd like to not take two pairs of boots with me.
              Kevin

              If Dane says they're easy to walk in, I'd take his word for it. He knows his stuff, and he beats the snot out of it. If you're desperate for a second opinion though, check out goaao.com. They're the midwest distributor for Scarpa, and I believe Brian Block climbs with Phantom 6000s, so you can email him about them.

              I tried the Phantom guides in a shop and...

              I tried the Phantom guides in a shop and the size 43 was perfect. However I'm afraid the Guides will not be warm enough for me and I'd like to try the 6000's but nobody carries them here (Montreal). How does the fit compare between these two boots?

              These boots Scarpa Phantom 6000 Mountaineering...

              These boots Scarpa Phantom 6000 Mountaineering Boot - Men's come with OUT-DRY?

              Hi Eduardo,
              Yes, the waterproof lining is Outdry. The Scarpa North American site doesn't list Outdry, or at least I couldn't find it. However, if you go to the Scarpa UK site (scarpa.co.uk), they mention the use of Outdry. These two markets are different, but I believe that technology should hold true across both. Thanks.

              Hi there, I'm trying to decide between...

              Hi there,
              I'm trying to decide between size 41 and 42 in these boots. I usually wear a size 7.5 or 8 US street shoe. My feet measure 10 1/8" long with climbing socks on.
              Does anyone know what the insole dimensions are for this boot in a 41 or 42? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

              Thanks!