When the going gets vertical, you want the brawny Shogun like you want a samurai on your side in a bar fight.
- Specific rocker technology puts traditional camber underfoot and reverse camber in the ski tip for stability on-piste and flotation in the powder
- Bamboo fibers in the wood core create excellent edge-to-edge responsiveness and a volcanic basalt layer maintains terrain-munching stiffness
- Extra-wide edges give the ski bomber durability, shock resistance, and a general air of badassery
- Just the right blend of sidecut and transitional tail let you crank on groomers
- Full woodcore filters vibrations and offers excellent on-snow stability and rebound
- Edgy Monocoque construction offers precise edge grip for quick energy transfer from skier to snow
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Shoguns or something else? Hello, there...
Shoguns or something else? Hello, there is a lot of knowledge on this site! I'm looking for some new skis. I demoed skis yesterday at Keystone, CO. I didn't like the Volkl Mantra 184 I think. Seemed too stiff. I also didn't enjoy the Rossi Experience at 186,seemed hard to control and didn't do well on ice. I loved the Solomon Shogun's, they were 101 underfoot and 182 long, and a lot of fun. They seemed to perform well in every condition and terrain (except there wasn't any powder). I'm wondering if anyone can recommend any other skis that are similar or if I should just go with the Shoguns. Also, I'm wondering about the length, as I usually ski something longer, but had fun on the 182's and there is a 9 CM difference from what I skied and the next size up at 191. Here is a little about me: I'm 6'2" and ~235 lbs. In the old days, my last pair of truly straight skis were 205?s and they were too long for me, especially on moguls (which I?m kind of terrible at anyway). My current pair of skis are K2 Seth Morrisons, which were my first pair of newer tech skis and they are 188?s. I?m looking for an all mountain ski that is wider. I used to ski everything. Not well, but at least I made it down the mountain. Now I usually try to stay on blue and black groomers or blue mogul runs. Although I do enjoy bowls and trees with powder stashes, this is rare for me these days. I don?t anticipate trying to kill myself on double blacks any longer for fear I will injure myself even more than usual. I'm also not a terrain park guy (tend to stay on the ground), so I feel a little silly with the Shoguns, but they are just a lot of fun. Thank you for the advice.
Loved last year's Shoguns, 173s. Rocked...
Loved last year's Shoguns, 173s. Rocked in and out of the trees in Vail and Steamboat. I ski in the East, however, most of the time and wanted to know what people thought about this year's shoguns and whether they are a better choice than last year's, and if so, why? Thanks.
This years shoguns are exactly the same as last year. I guess the only question is what color you like better.
Good With The Bad
Seriously fun ski. They rip on the groomers. I used to race and like a ski that has a lot of power. These do not give the pop acceleration of a race ski but considering their powder orientation (rocker tip) its impressive the punch they pack. In the deep stuff they ride to the top allowing you to get over the tips and drive the full flex of the ski with out having the tips dive on you. They make quick emergency turns in the trees as fast as you can think. Now for the bad. The cap construction is weak. If you like to hammer rocky faces and smash stumps these skies will have structural problems (from my experience). Where there should be a vertical side wall the resin cracks peels up and exposes the core. I have constantly had to keep adding epoxy to keep the core from being exposed to water, stop splitting, and keep it all together.
5'10, 150 lbs, pretty agressive. skiing...
5'10, 150 lbs, pretty agressive. skiing socal and occasionally aspen. 173 or 182?
Are you about 70 kg and has a height of about 170 cm?
Well then you're like me and I chose the 173cm and are very pleased with the length and dimensions of my skis.
i am 155 and 6 feet so a little bigger and I love the 182s. I ski think east coast trees all the time with no problems. If I were out west on bigger faces I would even go longer. Also I would mount on recommended not center.
I was wondering how much the Shogun 173s...
I was wondering how much the Shogun 173s and/or the 182s weigh? And how does that compare to the Lords or the Mantras?
I only knowe the weight for 182cm: 2040g/Pair
Just received my new Shogun at 173 and will start with the first preparation, and then finally wax.
I am very happy with my skis and I look forward to the first sick ride.
I forgot to ask what length you'd recommend....
I forgot to ask what length you'd recommend. I was considering the 164. Thanks. Naomi
I am a 5'5 145 pound strong woman skier,...
I am a 5'5 145 pound strong woman skier, (60yrs) I have been on 167 k2 Burnin' Luvs but would like something fatter for powder, crud and chop but that would still carve on the groomers. I've been looking at Nordica Nemesis, Enforcer and Volkl Aura. HOw would the Shogun compare to these? Thanks for your help
5'9", 180pd intermediate female skier. I just acquired a pair of the shoguns (173) and am selling my 170 auras. The auras are great, but are an aggressive ski and need an aggressive skier. Stiffer than the shoguns and will hold an edge on anything, BUT need the power to drive them. I decided on the shoguns because they are more playful and forgiving with my occasional sloppiness. That's not to say that they are like limp-wristed noodles, its pop-ier and almost sprightly. I just don't have the continuous power/confidence for the auras to perform at their full potential. Both are good for powder (I ski Montana pow) the auras are just stiffer.
First runs on new Shoguns 191
Washington Cascades. First runs with new Shoguns. Love these boards.
Shoguns out and about
I took these pups to Colorado for a week and they were great. As the vid shows the snow was super deep in the trees there and the shogys were quite maneuvarable and floaty enough for an east-coaster's standards. They also were great throwing carves in the tracks on those bluebird days. enjoy.
If this is a one ski quiver, how does it...
If this is a one ski quiver, how does it compare then with the Armada JJ's(which are also being sold as a ''one ski quiver''????Thanks
2 very different skis. jj will be better in deeper snow while the Shogun will ski firm snow better. basically the jj is 122 under foot but it does well on groomers too. the Shogun is 100 underfoot so it's more user friendly except in deeper snow.
The only ski to own!!!
Just got back from 7 days of skiing in Vail Colorado. The first day there were 10 inches of fresh powder and these skis ROCKED!! In the bowls they felt as if they just floated on top of the powder and turned with very little effort. In the trees not only did they turn on a dime but they were very easy to check your speed. After a few days of skiing powder I tried them out in the mogul fields of Ricky's Ridge, Highline, Blue Ox and Log Chute. They excelled there too!!! If you are looking for one ski that does it all, don't look any further. I'm 5' 10", 150 lb expert skier skiing on Shogun 173's. The binding I love the bindings I put on which are: Dynastar PX 12 Jib Wide Ski Bindings (100mm Brake) 2010. Oh, did I forget to mention how well they carve on hard packed snow? Unbelievable!!
I just got a pair of 173cm Shoguns. They...
I just got a pair of 173cm Shoguns. They looked a little short compared to my 174cm Coombacks. Sure enough when I put them side-by-side with my son's 169cm Lords and they are the exact same length. Has anyone else noticed this???
I got the 164s and yes they did seem shorter than that. I put them next to my pair of 161 4frnts and sure enough they're pretty much the same.
I got the 164s and yes they did seem shorter than that. I put them next to my pair of 161 4frnts and sure enough they're pretty much the same.
Im 6'1" 170 pounds, do you think the 191...
Im 6'1" 170 pounds, do you think the 191 would be too much ski for me? Im pretty aggressive and I like a lot of cliffs
the 191 is better for stomping airs, and it is easy to ski... I think it will be a good size for you.
I just mounted up a pair for a kid who is 5'10'' 155lbs
191 is the ticket, good choice
Im 168 lbs, 5'7 and an aggresive/...
Im 168 lbs, 5'7 and an aggresive/ expert skiier who used to race.
I'm debating between the 173 or the 182. Whaddya say?
Suggeations highly highly appreciated!
I'm sure you could ski either size no problem. I think it might be more a question of the terrain you are gonna be skiing the most. Tighter terrain or wanting more playfulness go 174. More open or wanting more stability go 182.
Great Ski...Soft top Sheet
I haven't had this much fun on a new ski in a long time. It skis great on everything I have had them on from tight trees, to chutes, to wide open deep bowls, to groomers. On the groomers at high speed there is a little fluttering in the tips due to the rockered tips but stability is great.
My only gripe is that I have less than 20 days on them and I have had to become proficient at epoxying the top sheet due to cuts and divots. Twice these have been down to the bamboo and I have had to take them in to have them repaired. I have owned multiple pairs of Salomon skis prior to these and have never had any issues with durability before. I hope they fix this problem for new models.
I agree with Ron ron
I bought these skis after reading so many favorable reviews hoping they would be the only ski i needed. I am 6'1'' and bought the 181(?) cm ski for skiing (shredding the gnar) in Colorado. At first I experienced the same problems as Ron Ron, in that the poorly constructed top sheet would come off in large pieces any time the opposite edge would come into contact with it. After every weekend, i would be clamping and epoxying the top sheet back together. The terminal damage came when after a day of mild park riding, the binding ripped out of the ski. That was after only 6 days of skiing and it has taken Salomon 5 weeks (and counting) to address the warranty issue. I have switched back to my old skis and am much happier with them anyway.
At the time that they broke, I wasn't happy with the ski for a number of reasons, so many in fact, that I was kind of relieved that I didn't have to use them anymore.
To their credit, they were great for deeper powder. As for hardpack, they are ok. When it comes to maneuvering on hardpack they are awful.
They are embarrassingly bad on moguls and in trees, as they are far too stiff for any sort of quick turning. They are soo heavy, that they are useless for the park, as their weight makes spins and rails an ankle-wrenching nightmare.
As for the rocker feature, it is total nonsense. These ski like fat powder-only skis, so don't buy them for all-mountain use, as you will be dissatisfied. This ski suffers from trying to be good in all conditions and as a result is not good in any.
I don't mean to rip on Salomon as I usually buy their stuff and they are a good company, just don't buy this model. For moguls, look for something a bit thinner (under 100mm) underfoot and more flexible. For powder, get something thicker and a little longer. Don't buy in to the "all in one" ski nonsense.
Hopefully my were lemons
I have had durablility issues with this ski from the first day I had them. On my first run, I tapped the tips together and took out a dime sized divot out of the top sheet. No biggie right? I took some epoxy and sealed the hole. Well, it seems as though every time I took them up, I would get more dime-to quarter sized chunks taken out of the top sheet. Under the heel pieces, I had 4-6 inch flakes coming out down to the core.
Some people say my skis are to close together, but my RC112s/B3s/and Volkl Walls are just fine. The final straw was last week when I pulled out an edge. At that point I decided to send them in for warranty. I am hoping that mine were lemons and are an anomoly out of the assembly line and my new ones are as good as everyone has experienced.
When skiing these, I constantly wished that there was more stiffness in the tail and for less tip flutter. There is a definate speed limit to this ski. At around 65-70mph (zeal goggles) I experienced quite a bit of tip deflection over chop. But they do decent in all conditions.
Again, I'm hoping that mine were just lemons and my replacements will give me an experience more in line with the rest of the reviews, but so far I am less than impressed.
I am 5'7, 150lb and a good agressive skier,...
I am 5'7, 150lb and a good agressive skier, but 69 years old. Am I better off with 164 or 173cm Shoguns, if I want to ski bumps as well as powder and crud?
With rocker this ski will ski short, and it is light and not particularly difficult to ski. If you are skiing aggressively, I'd go with the 173.