- Community Images
Like an angel underfoot.
You love getting those backcountry stashes of fresh powder and hucking your meat where no one has gone before (at least not today), so you don't have time for floppy, weak, clunky bindings that make you shiver and pray that won't pre-release on the downhill. Soothe your soul and nurture your daredevil self with the burly Salomon Guardian WTR 13 Alpine Touring Binding, a shred-worthy binding with backcountry capability. An allover low profile and wide platform give you sensitivity to terrain and enhanced power transmission. The Hike & Ride switch lets you go from skiing to hiking and back again without taking off your skis, because sometimes the skiing's that good. Height and wing adjustment for a secure hold and Salomon's legendary binding know-how give you peace of mind when you're scoping that gnarly, exposed line. The Guardian 16 and Guardian 13 top out Salomon's freeride backcountry lineup.
- Hike & Ride on-the-fly switch
- Low-profile chassis
- Double full flex
- Oversized platform
- XL stomp pedal (65)
- Height adjustment
- Automatic wing adjustment
- High lateral transmission
- WTR Walk-to-Ride sole compatibility. Compatible with ISO 9523 certified AT boots and alpine boot soles; not compatible with non-certified, full-rubber AT soles
Share your thoughts
Thanks Grant. One more question for ya,...
Thanks Grant. One more question for ya, Are the 100 mm brake widths sufficiently wide enough for G3 93mm. Or do I have to go to the 115mm?
For a 93mm ski the 100mm would be perfect. I have my 100mm set mounted on a pair of Surface One Time's and they are 95mm underfoot. 115mm would be a little too wide and you would experience some drag. It is best to get the brake width closest to flush with the edge of the ski.
I don't do much touring but I like to have...
I don't do much touring but I like to have that option. I'm still using my old Rossi alpine boots. I just bought a pair of G3's and need a good solid binding. Will these bindings work with non-touring boots?
Thanks for your question.
Yes, these will work with your alpine boots. I would suggest them if you are looking to do short tours that are on the moderate side of things. I bought these for this season and will be keeping them on my freeride skis but investing in a Dynafit set up for next season with lighter skis. I tend to go on very long tours that include an all day event and skiing many different aspects. These will be excellent for side country off a resort or a shorter tour. I would like to comment on the down hill performance: I was very pleased at how they rode and there is excellent response and power transmission. The downsides that I found were on the uphill ascent. The heel riser tends to fall back and you end up clicking yourself into ski mode. Its frustrating at times but with more practice in my skinning form (gliding a little more and slightly softer on the heel rise) I was able to prevent that from happening. Since you dont do a lot of touring I believe these would be a great choice.
If you have any questions or comments just reply to this post and I will get back to you. Have a nice weekend!
I cant find anywhere information.
I decided to buy Dalbello Sherpa 5/5 but i have Salomon guardian 13 bindings. Are the boots fit those bindings.
I need to order new boots online because here is no reseller.
Can someone help me ?
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
De-skin without clicking out of binding
Heel click out to AT mode ok, not super easy
Heel elevation bar a pain to lift.
After struggling to lift bar, it easily collapses and clicks heel back into ski mode. Happened more than a handful of times up steep and semi steep faces.
Heel lift only has two settings- flat and high.
Don't let the YouTube video on how to use these fool you. They are not intuitive and frustrating at best. Returning these for Fritschi free rides.
Hi, I'm looking to get this binding for...
Hi, I'm looking to get this binding for my daughter, she currently only has a set of downhill boots will they fit this binding & be fine? Thanx in advance
Yes. Alpine boots should work just fine. They don't have to be Touring boots.
do you know the binding delta on this...
do you know the binding delta on this binding?
ie: difference between toe height and heel height?
in older AT set ups it was too flat.
The guys at Blister Gear Review measured about 3mm ramp angle.
Does the job right
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I bought these for my first touring bindings (did not want to invest in a Dynafit set up this year).
Initially I was disappointed with the weight but I have gotten used to it after many tours - had to get in shape haha. The downhill performance is excellent. Great power transmission and response. Uphill I have run into some problems with the heel rise staying up but I have found that if you are nice and soft about your strides that it does not happen. After I got my skinning technique down to a perfect stride the heel rise no longer is a problem.
Recommend this for short tours or side country. Longer tours you might want to invest in a Dynafit set up to save on weight.
which size guardian 13 would be best for...
which size guardian 13 would be best for a 318mm sole length?
I would go with a Large. You're almost maxed out on the Small and if you purchase the Small and your next boots are 3mm larger then you'll have to get new bindings.
I've got a set of " Maestro Skis, ",......
I've got a set of " Maestro Skis, ",... 118 under foot, what type of brake does this come with? or do I need to switch out,... & to what ?
This binding comes with either a 100 mm or 115 mm brake that you can select in the drop down menu. For your ski I would suggest going with the 115 mm if you feel comfortable bending the brake out those extra mm.
The cool thing about these bindings?
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
They do everything that they claim. On top of that they aren't flimsy so you aren't going to break anything when you are going from hike mode back to ride mode. The guardians make getting to your favorite out of bounds pow stash simple and then let you switch back over to the resort without missing a beat or loosing time having to switch your set ups. Get it all in one. That being said these are solid bindings. If you are looking for something lightweight this isn't necessarily the best choice.
Solid Binding and Great for Touring
Here I have the Guardians set up on my Black Diamond Zealot skis with my Rossi Alltrack 120 boots. Decent set up for the uphill climb and great for skiing down.
What brakes for 102mm under foot 4frnt...
What brakes for 102mm under foot 4frnt Cody's ski?
The 100mm brake in the Salomon Guardian WTR 13 Alpine Touring Binding should work fine with just a little bending out on either side.
Do the guardian smalls mount pattern match...
Do the guardian smalls mount pattern match the 914 sth by chance? Bought a pair of skis on Ebay not realizing how many times they had already been drilled and need an AT binding that fits previous holes. There have been dynafit AT bindings mounted but I prefer not to use them.
Unfortunately the hole pattern is not the same. I do not own either binding, so I checked with the paper template thread on TGR forums (link below). If you want to double check, go to the page and download .pdf files of both and compare. You might be able to print them separately and find a place where the holes do not match up.
Otherwise, you can try using helicoils or inserts if the holes are too close together. Depending on where you live, there are shops that can help with either.
TGR thread: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/153971-Binding-Mount-Paper-Templates?highlight=salomon%20template
No specs on weight?
No specs on weight?
The weight on a pair of the Salomon Guardian WTR 13 Alpine Touring Bindings is 99oz.
99 oz might be a bit optimistic (2800 grams). According to the chart at evo: http://www.evo.com/ski-binding-weight-chart-for-alpine-backcountry-bindings.aspx
it looks more like 2,900 for small, 2,940 for large. I've confirmed that in a couple places I was disappointed they didn't shave more weight off the guardian 16, but the DIN of 5-13 is more realistic for most mortal skiers (since the 16 starts at 7 - and you shouldn't be riding at either extreme end of the DIN setting, so if you ride a 7.5-8 DIN - smarter to go guardian 13)
So these binders will NOT work with a...
So these binders will NOT work with a Technica Cochise 120with the tech soles - correct?
Correct Eric the Guardian/Tracker bindings are not designed to work with a tech sole.
It isn't clear (and I'm new to AT setups)......
It isn't clear (and I'm new to AT setups)... does the Guardian 13 have the same boot issue as the 16? Reading the reviews on the 16 it sounds like Salomon only recommends alpine boots or Salomon brand AT/touring boots. Can you use other branded AT boots in these bindings?
You can use boots from other brands with this binding but the boot does have to be DIN compatible. If the boot is a Tech specific boot then it will not work with this binding. Feel free to chat in to a gearhead or call us at 1-800-409-4502 if you want help finding a boot that will work well with this binding.
So let me get this straight, they created an AT binding that does not work with AT soles on normal AT boots. I have to either change my AT soles out for DIN soles or use my alpine boots with DIN soles to skin in these things? Who was the marketing genius who came up with an AT binding that only works with alpine boots?
I think Dan Be is right, see this review:
At the end of the review, they have 2 gripes - and lack of compatibility with most AT boots is the #2 gripe. Wow, wouldn't have guessed, I thought that was the whole point of WTR - guess I didn't notice the fine print... Don't think Marker Baron/Duke have that issue
Are these compatible with Lange XT 130's...
Are these compatible with Lange XT 130's ?
Yes these would definitely work with Lange XT 130s!
Binding elevator settings
It isn't listed in the tech specs but these bindings have a High and a Low setting.
What is the min. boot sole length
What is the min. boot sole length
The minimum boot sole length is 260mm. The small fits sole lengths 260-320mm and the large fits sole lengths 305-360mm.
Will these bindings work with the BD...
Will these bindings work with the BD Quadrant boots? I'm unfamiliar with the "ISO 9523 certification standard" and if the Quadrant's fit this designation. I'm currently trying to decide between these or the Marker Baron 13 EPF... Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
These will not work with the Quadrant. That sole is only for tech bindings or for AT bindings with sliding AFD plates like the Duke, Baron, Tour, or any of the Fritschis.
Arthur, thank you for the quick answer. I posed the same query to BD and they came back saying the Quadrant WOULD work with these bindings. I guess maybe I should just opt for the Baron's to be on the safe side...
My guess is they are saying they will "technically" work which is true. You would be able to step in and ski them etc. What they cannot do is be said to consistently and safely release from the bindings. For that you are going to have to look at like a Factor MX with Alpine sole if you wanted that release. Hope that makes sense. Didn't mean to confuse the issue.
Arthur, that definitely makes sense. Thanks!