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The first ever free-heel pro-model, the Rossignol SYSTEM S7 Pro Mancini Ski features a mixed rocker / camber design that slays everything from chunky chunder to face-deep pow. Made with design input for tele-ripper Max Mancini, this versatile ski sports a soft, rockered tip that floats over soft snow and other less enjoyable obstacles, while the stiffer midsection features camber to carve up hardpack. This pin-tail profile puts most of the skis real estate up front and tapers to the tail with some variable sidecut thrown in just to keep things spicy. The result is a ski that refuses to dive in deep snow and shreds on groomers and firm surfaces.
I just bought a pair of limited realese S7 Freeride skis (the new 2012 model - green grpahics) and am trying to figure out the correct mounitng position for some hammerheads. They are the 188's.
I have been rocking these skis for the past two seasons and all I can say is they kill it. From big line pow, to crud, to icy as hell culloirs, these are the skis you want under you. They are the same as the S7, just with a tele friendly top sheet and the proceeds go to the Max Mancini Life Turns, foundation. Bottom line, if you like to drop a knee and you charge hard you NEED these skis!!!
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What is the recommended tele (AXL) mounting point for the 188s? Rossi says tele boot center 86 cm from the tail. That will put the pin line for my size 29.5 well in front of the ski's actual center.
As a 5'10, 160lb male who skis 95% in the backcountry paradise of western WY I find this ski to perform unlike any other when actually skiing. In fact, this ski eliminates the need to 'know' how to turn. Obviously this is not the lightest ski out there, but if you are will to work a little harder the rewards are huge in variable conditions. I have Dynafit bindings and older Garmont Megaride boots and have no issues with the 188cm length as this ski feels like a nimble 170 when in tight trees, but has amazing stability at speed when opening it up. This ski also has the added benefit of being visually pleasant, especially when compared to it's identically constructed alpine brother. Two thumbs up!
Hi, just got a pair of these in the 176cm. Very excited! Only problem is I can ski them yet because I don't know where to mount my alpine bindings in relation to the tele mounting point as there's no markers! Any advice? I am a girl weighing in at about 58kg and 5'1'' (good things come in small packages) Mainly going to use them for powder and backcountry crud and the odd bit of steep spring snow/couloirs (though I have another pair for this) Thanks for your help! Fi
Rossi says boot center 80.4 cm (31.6") from the tail for the 176s. Does the ski have info about where to mount tele bindings? If so, please tell me because I want to mount my 188s tele. Thanks
My 12 year old son won a pair of these (166) last year and wants to ski them this year. He's 5'2", almost 100 lbs soaking wet. I'm shopping for a binding for them (Alpine). Any suggestions what I should be looking for? He's in an adult 26.5 boot.
I'd recommend the Pivot 14 XXL (115mm brake) or the salomon STH 12. I work in a shop and I recommend these both because they'll fit on the S7, and because their important components are made of metal and are thus more durable. If you're a home-mounter, adjuster, or tinkerer, the STH12 is a more user-friendly binding. The Pivot 14 on the other hand has the highest elastic travel of any available binding, which decreases the incidence of prereleases and allows you to run a lower DIN than you might on other bindings.
I just mounted mine up with Dynafits and I am using the BD Quadrant boot. Hell-of-a backcountry setup! I skied them last weekend at the resort and they rip! Mad the crud ski like powder and the powder was amazing! They even hold their own on the groomers
beware of wide underfoot skis with the narrow bolt pattern of the Dynafit FT's!!! They just came out with a plate that increases stability by 30% they say.
I've skies the S7s with dynafit FT12s in the backcountry for a few months now. They're heavy, but I broke a pair of Manaslus last year so I value the security that comes with a heavier construction. If you're mounting Marker Dukes/Barons, you won't be walking very far, but you'll be solid. The dynafit binding is more than enough to steer the ski. The S7 deals pretty well with variable snow, and the shape of the ski isn't contrary to skinning, like a fully rockered ski. In short, solid, versatile, slightly heavy.
I decided to demo new skis this December to see if I could tell the difference with the new ski technology. I have been Tele skiing on a 174cm K2 Work Stinx and do about 60% backcountry and 40% resort skiing. All I can say is WOW when I demo'd the S7's! I have been skiing for many years and have never felt such an elation from something new. I compared the Rossi S7 to the K2 Coomback which is not as wide at the waist but still rockered. I really couldn't tell much difference in the Coomback to my Work Stinxs but the Rossi S7's were something out of this world. The two most significant observations of skiing the Rossi were the turning radius and the "float" or ease of gliding over powder/crud. I am 5'10" and weigh 150 lbs so I purchased the 188cm length. Even though these skis are 14cm longer than my old skis they feel like the turn twice as easy allowing me to do things I may not have done with the K2's like skiing tighter trees or narrower lines. I know the S7's will be heavier to slog up the skin track but for the fun of coming down the hill I would not ski anything else. You gotta try 'em!
I Just ripped my Dynafit toepiece binding out of my 188 coombacks on a fall. Im looking into the support plate for the FT Vert Binding...Im also going to remount and anchor the binding with some T-nuts and patch with Ptex....what bindings are you using on the S7's? I prefer touring bindings cause I like to skin n hike. Any thoughts?
I just bought a pair and am thinking about which skins to buy. Would you go for the Black Diamond Ascension Nylon STS Skins and if so, what size? The 140 mm or 125mm? Thanks.
I've been using the STS skins with these and they work great, though I'd caution against using the split skins, as I've had worse results with those. I'd get the 140 and trim them down, rather than the 125mm, which will leave a lot of the ski un-covered. No problem on the deep days, but when the snow gets harder, I like the wall-to-wall carpeting.
Write your question here...I read all the other Q/A's but I'm still a bit uncertain. I'm 5'8" and weigh only 140lbs. I am an avid, advanced telemarker and this'll be my 13th season at 50+ days/season. I have been on Atomic tele skis for the last 6 yrs and always love the way they ski, but I feel like I'm ready to change over to this S7 Pro Mancini Ski. I just don;t know what size to go with. I always like shorter skis that I can muscle around and just do with them whatever I please, and I've had no issues with shorter lengths and slimmer waistlines in deep powder. My current Atomics are 173cms. Do I go all the way up to 188cm in these or will I be better off with the 178cm length? Help?
The lengths are 176, 188 actually. They weigh 8.75 and 10 pounds, 5 ounces respectively, so you'll be hauling allot more mass with you wherever you go. I am getting the S7 188s, but I weigh 170 to 180, and I am 6',1". My buddy who is 5',10" and weighs 160 got a pair of 176s and loves them in pow. I've skied his skis with AXLs on them on corn snow with sun cups and runnels and they were awesome! I advise the 176s unless you live in powder heaven.
these have a lot of rocker and tapered tips and tails which makes them very easy to turn in powder. i think you will be able to handle the 188 but if you like shorter lengths the 178 is not to short. hope this helps
Got this last February, was my only ski in Utah through April. Not everybody is sold on the S7. Skis rather short, but for what it is, it's a blast. I mounted at recommended line (86cm from tail). Mancini art much nicer than the other S7s, same ski.
Traded my gotama's in for the 188 mancini pro. Much better all around. I alpine mounted, jesters, center of the black line, which is @ 2" back of center overall. Works well for me in the deep and in the not so much. Had 30" of fresh @ Breck, and had absolute control. Not too sure where to mount tele. However, these skis rock alpine style!
Yes, I mounted at the recommended. This version has only one line, which correspond to "zero" on the alpine version, which is 86 cm straight pull from tail on the 188. Wouldn't want any further back than that. This kind of rockered shape needs to be closer to true center with more tail than traditional alpine mounts are used to. By the way, the physical length Is actually closer to 184 tip to tail.
I bought the Mancini's with Fritschi's already mounted dead center on the tele mount point. I haven't compared to the alpine S7 mounting points. Is this where you mounted your alpine bindings? If so, how are they treating you. Alt mount suggestions?
I know a few folks who have the S7/System mounted with Dynafits, and they love them. Personally, I'd put a more burly binding on there. I think it's a pretty burly ski, and should have a heavier, stiffer boot and binding combo to really get everything you want out of it. However, you can't really go wrong with any binding choice for the S7, as long as it's not too old, soft, or low DIN.
unfortunately had to get the s7 barras instead of the mancini due to availability. Mounting it tele. Does the recommended tele mount point on the mancini correspond with one of the recommended mount points on the barras?
Also, everyone should know the biggest difference between the barras and the mancini - $83 (or so) of each mancini sold goes directly to Children's Hospital. Max rocks. Bummed I'm not supporting it.
Same ski. Different top sheet. Different base graphics. If you are mounting them with telemark bindings, you should use the mounting points for the System. However, it wouldn't hurt you to put your binders somewhere between the telemark, and the alpine suggested mounting points. Hope you're putting Hammerheads or Axls on those babies, otherwise, you'll be gyping yourself out of a fine ski and all the performance it is capable of.
These skis are amazing! They are super fun for skiing on any terrain, but especially fun in the powder. I was debating between these and the JJ's but decided to go with these for no specific reason and I am very happy with my decision. These have made this winter so much fun! I'm 5'3 lady and I got the 176s and that seems to be a good size
I am sure this has been asked before but I am hoping someone can address my specific situation. I am an advanced telemark skier that can ski any terrain in most conditions. I am 5'9", 165 lbs. and currently ski Black Diamond Kilowatt (175cm) as my everyday ski, with the Black Diamond Havoc (175cm) as my teaching ski (I am a part-time telemark instructor), and the Rossignol Ravyn (174cm) as my powder ski. All three skis are mounted with Hammerheads and I am on Scarpa T1s. The Ravyn skis very short so I was looking for a new ski for my powder ski. I mainly ski the resorts, with some sidecountry and a little backcountry, so this ski would see a lot of resort use. I understand that the general rule of thumb with rockered skis is to size up approximately 5 - 10 cm; however, 188cm seems like a big jump, and I should be in the 182 - 185cm range. Any thoughts? Should I be looking at another ski to fill this role?
Here's my experience with the 176 cm and 188 cm S7's.
I spent about 50 days (telemark w/ 22D Axl's) on the 176 length and and found them too short and too soft for aggressive skiing. I'm 5'7", 130 lbs and usually ski a 170 cm ski. I recently swapped to 188 cm and after 10 days have enjoyed it a lot more, especially at high speeds in chopped up crud where a longer and stiffer ski are imperative. The extra 18 cm length (relative to my traditional 170cm skis) is of no concern and of no consequence, as the 188's still have a 17.5m radius and short effective edge due to rocker. I am rocking the 188's and loving it!
If I was 5'9" and 165 lbs, I would not be concerned at all about the 188's and would even consider the 195 length.
Line Prophet 130s come in a 186 and have moderate tip rocker, i have them mounted with hammerheads and really dig the combination. However, the S7s tip rocker is much more dramatic so they might ski even shorter than the 186 Lines. Plus I've heard really excellent things about mounting S7s tele, If you ski aggressively, I wouldn't be too worried about the length...you weigh enough that you should be able to muscle the 188s around.
I started tele'ing last year and logged about 40 days and looking to upgrade my set-up this year. I was disappointed to hear Karhu going out of buisness as the Team 100's were the ski of choice. Haven't ski'd reverse camber yet, is this a solid choice for a one quiver tele ski?
I am 6', 210, very athletic and have been skiing the Line Prophet 100s for 4 yrs now. They are a GREAT one-ski quiver. I bought them on a tip from a friend who has been an equipment tester for BC magazine for over a decade. He tipped me to the Karhu Jak BC, and I bought it on a pro form. When it came time to fill the order, the company called and told me they ran out of the Jaks, and would I mind if they sent the Prophet 100 instead??? Same ski, different graphics. I accepted and I am glad I did!
I ski them with Hammerheads, which I feel is a very good pairing. I suggest buying the Hhead mounting plate, which allows you to adj them fore-aft by about 2.5 cm. I mounted them so in the fwd position they are 4cm ahead of chord center, which makes them super turny. I move them to the back position if it is a big snow/crud day. I also own O1s, which I have on a slightly narrower ski, and I don't like them. I would not recommend them for the Prophets.
As a final pitch, I liked the 100s so much that I bought the Prophet 130s as my big mtn/big powder ski for Mt Baker and BC snowcat skiing. Both are great skis.
Hey man, the Line Prophet 100s are the EXACT same ski as the Karhu Team 100s, just a different top sheet. Exact same construction, flex, etc. So if you wanted Karhu Team 100s, you can get the Line Prophet 100s instead...
Bought Line 100s (179s) in 2008, S7 (175) in 09 and JJs (174) in 2010. Seventy years old, 185 lbs. At 70 yrs old, speed is not priority, agility is. The Lines and the S7 are faster than the JJs. Both are noticeably heavier than the JJs. The JJs are fitted with Salomon 12 N Ti bindings, very light, and the Lines and the S7s are fitted with Markers. For me the JJs significantly improve ability in powder, bumps, everything.
The skis are identical with the exception of two differences. The topsheets feature different artwrok. And the recommended mounting points differ. The S7 features multiple mount points depending on what you're ski style/terrain preference is, while the Mancini Pro Model features a tele-specific mount point. In terms of dimensions, features, etc. they are the same. Just like the Ravyn and the S6.
I was thinking of getting the System S7 , but can't decide on size. I am 5'7" and 150lbs. A solid telemark skier that can ski all terrain. Currently I ride the Sickbirds in 178 as my everyday ski. Should I get the 176 Systems or 188. I know wit the rocker it will ski much shorter. I am worried that the 176 will ski way to short. Thoughts
See my response to Matthew Nyberg's question on this page.
Bottom line is I'm 5'7" 130 lbs and found the 176 too short/soft, to the point where I sold them to buy 188's. The 188's are perfect for me, and I suspect for you too.
The rule of thumb with rockered skis is to go 5 to 10 cm bigger than what you normally ski, because on hard snow there is less edge contact making it a smaller ski, and in soft snow, you get better floatation due to the rocker and more surface area. Since the 178s are your everyday ski, the 10 cm rule works perfectly with the 188. The S7 is really fun and easy to ski. When you think about it, 10 cm is only like 4 inches, so you're adding like 2.5" in the tip and 1.5" to the tail. That's hardly an outrageous amount of extra length to deal with. I would definitely go with the 188.
Well the S6 is more suited for groomers size wise, but the S7 can really tear them up. I would say if you ski tons of pow, and then some groomed, go S7. If its more all-mountain fun and versatility you are looking for, the S6 might be better suited for you.
If the S7 Barras and the S7 Mancini are the same ski, why does Rossi list the S7 Barras as having more technological features than the Mancini on their website?
I'm 6'4 and 165 pounds. I ski the Ravens in the backcountry and I felt quite a bit that I was gonna go over the handlebars. I wanted to get the S7 for the versitility, butI hear that the 188's ski pretty short, and I'm concerned that they might even be too short. Please let me know what you think about the length.
Based on my experience with the 176 and 188 S7's, the fact I love my 188 S7's way more than my 176 S7's, and that I'm only 5'7" 130 lbs, I'll put money on it the 188's will be too short for you and that you'd be better off with the 195's if you are an aggressive skier.
I think it will be alright for someone your size. You are tall, so they won't look quite long enough, but since you are pretty skinny, they are about the right size for you.
Other than the graphics, the only other difference is the mounting point. The S7 has 3 mounting points based on what type of terrain you ski, and what your style preference is. The Mancini Pro Model only features one, tele specific mount point.
I have been rocking these skis for the past two seasons and all I can say is they kill it. From big line pow, to crud, to icy as hell culloirs, these are more...
As a 5'10, 160lb male who skis 95% in the backcountry paradise of western WY I find this ski to perform unlike any other when actually skiing. In fact, more...