I had great expectations form these pants as I have friends who wear this brand and style. I bought the same size as my REI and Mtn Hardware pants and other outdoor pants and yet these pants were really small. I will continue to wear the Mtn Hardware and REI. They didn't have a quality feel to them either. Very disappointed. My other hiking pants being the same size are so much better than these. If I do buy another pair of these I will go up a size.