OK guys - this review is from a woman's point of view. I have these pants because the women's version is too low rise and not long enough for a tall (5'9") person. These are incredible ski pants and I have two pair (two seasons use out of one pair and haven't even worn the 2nd pair yet). I called TNF customer service for washing directions and have washed them at least four times with Granger's Performance Wash and sprayed with the XT Granger Waterproofing before hanging to air dry. They remain totally waterproof. I read somewhere that TNF rates these as totally waterproof through at least 18-20 washings and then the waterproofing lessens a bit without any additional treatment. I haven't had any wind issues and that's after sitting in a very cold snow/wind storm on a lift at Snowmass in February, 2012 - the kind of wind that has the lift chairs rocking. I typically wear them with a very lightweight merino base layer (Patagonia 2 or Ibex Woolies), although on a pretty cold day in Snowmass wore them with Patagonia merino 3 baselayer. Always toasty warm, totally dry, and I like the very light insulation - not hefty or bulky. Good, deep pocket design and amount of pockets. Great adjusting waist with velcro on the sides. I used the chimney venting while skiing in May at Blackcomb (the only time I've worn them without a base layer during spring skiing). Personally, I like the layer of insulation, rather than wearing unlined gear. I used the mens sizing chart and mine fit perfectly. Looking forward to wearing them in Portillo in August!