tmac, I'm in a similar state, currently ski 192 bent chetlers and want a groomer day ski. I demo'd the 88's and the 83's (i think) and really loved the 88's. They handled the crude really well and craved a wicked turn on moderate 5 day old, no fresh, Whistler ice conditions. I'm an ex ski racer and was looking for a rigid GS type ski without the commitment of buying a full race ski. I'm waiting for these to go on sale in the 177 length. The 186 seemed too long (I'm 5'9" and 165 lbs), 170 didn't provide enough edge for high speed. Definitely a solid ski to bomb down groomers locked on edge.