Caveat: I never used this product, as i sent it back untested. The reason was because it just wasn't what i hoped it would be. I wanted a gear bag for hauling my gear. This just wasn't it. It just wasn't going to do the job. It was wierdly plastic and preformed. The shoulder straps seemed more like a decoration, than functional. I am 0/2 on stoic products. Not a big fan thus far. They are one away from being blacklisted.