Love these pedals. They keep my feet right where they need to be through the technical stuff and for the relatively small amount of air I like to get - in spite of the fact that one of my feet is a prosthetic with no ankle flexion. So imagine how good these pedals must be you have two real feet. Never thought flats would be an option till I found these - they are awesome. Paired with a pair of Five Ten Karver shoes. And I look at it this way, the threat of pin loss could make me pay attention and try to ride with a little more finesse. Haven't found that they shed or disappear for no reason...only when I've bashed them into something I prolly shoulda missed.