These gloves are very bulky and make it difficult to find items in pockets, but somehow, all the extra bulk still doesn't protect your hands from the cold. The addition of the inner liner provides some extra insulation, although you go from not being able to locate your food bar to not being able to feel the levers. In addition, the gloves are not waterproof as stated. Furthermore, the drawstring is extra long and will always somehow be in the way and/or annoying.
If anyone is still interested in these gloves, I will give them to you to try, I have a size L. You pay shipping.