Troy wrote an answer about Volkl Mantra Alpine Ski on February 24, 2009
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The 176cm was a lot more fun today, the groomers were fresh corduroy so edge grip was much better. A very good slalom like feel to them with excellent pop out of the turns. Arcing into a bigger radius turn got easier as I found the sweet spot on the skis, and with a Griffon binding on them was able to lay them over fairly far, still not a big secure feeling at higher speeds but did very well. The goofy shape to the ski wasn't as noticeable today as yesterday, skis very short indeed but stable and stiff enough for whipping off short, quick turns. Bumps today were big and icy with deep troughs, skis did well but not my favorite type of bumps anyways. I can see that the more time spent on these skis will yield bigger smiles, but just want some softer conditions to see how fun they can really get. Would have liked to try a pipe cleaner side by side since I'm not sure the Alpha's shape is that beneficial unless it's being skied in the park or in some busted up crud. Always fun trying new stuff out though!
At 37 years old and been skiing since I was 3 I'm all for new technology, but these weren't quite what I expected. I demoed a 176 and a 182cm in them today on firm to icy groomers and a little bit of chunky crud and moguls. It took me awhile to get used to the short feel and odd turn shape. Had trouble getting edges set enough to bite into the snow and the tail felt stiffer than I expected. Butters on ice is a very good way of explaining them, that is what they felt like they wanted to do unless you really concentrated on your stance. Once I got them figured out they cranked off good slalom like turns but didn't want to carve other turn shapes very well. In bumps they definitely felt very swively with slippery tips and tails, bumps were very big and firm though. Easy to ski on the chunky firm crud but nothing to exciting. After half a day goofing around on the two sizes I was very glad to get back on my Mantra's and rip everywhere. I guess I still prefer a more normal and powerful ski for my groomers and as an all around ski. Will play with them again tomorrow but not too thrilled as of today. No park skiing here, just playing with new shapes.
How much difference is there between an AR6 and a Pipe Cleaner? I'm 6'1" 180lbs what length recommendations out there. My mantra is 177, Obsethed 179, won't be skiing it in fresh snow. Thinking the 176cm lengths.
Pipe Cleaners, MSP's, Alpha One's, other narrower skis twin tipped or not for moguls and firm snow. Not looking for an everday ski but more specialized. I have a Mantra as my everyday ski, also an Obsethed as a goof around soft snow, flying through busted up leftovers ski. I hammer bumps on both of my skis extremely well but looking for something more fun. So many odd companies now out there, Line, 4frnt, Liberty, Armada, plus all the older companies. How do I choose without being able to demo them.
Willie,I noticed you tried the Coomba, how does it compare to your Bacon. Of course the Bacon has a lot more sidecut plus width but curious about the overall feel to the Coomba. Is it a more fun, lighter, Obsethed type feel?
Willie,I actually bought both a Bacon and Obsethed. It's been a very dry year up in Spokane, WA so the bacons have not had a chance to show their best colors. On groomed and in a few inches I have preferred the K2 or my Mantra to the Bacon. I love how light and flexible the bacon is but not a fan of that much sidecut on that wide of a ski. I mounted them on midsole and still feel like the ski is all tail. It always feels like I'm trying to bend the ski out of the turn vs letting me decide when I want to turn. Plus they feel a little short still over the tips. I also ski a 14m radius Tornado and they don't have that same feel, gotta be the width of the bacon's plus 18m radius. I'm sure in 12" of fluff the Bacons are a kick but not seeing that up here this year. Love the Obsethed's but K2 needs to figure out how to lighten up their skis, it is 2009 you know and technology is out there!
Big Willie,I have to argue the point about a rockered ski after being on my Obsethed's. They are incredible on the groomers, I can have just as much fun on them and carve sweet arcs in the snow even at higher speeds just as much as my Mantra's. So I was just curious if the Alpha had a somewhat similar feel but a shorter radius with the early taper than my Obsethed's plus a whole lot quicker. I think that's what this local shop was saying, so I'm looking for someone that actually has had it on their feet, no offense. 4frnt is still a wider ski though from what I remember. Thanks
A local ski shop has these and say they absolutely rip on groomers and moguls even when it's firm. Especially with a griffon or a riser binding on them. I'm not using them in the park at all but is there anybody out there that says the same thing about the Alpha One's? I would love a narrower ski for all these days that no new snow is in sight.
Do you think the Prophet 90 would be too close to my Mantra for the money and hassle? What else in a narrower platform is great in bumps and firm conditions. Hate to somewhat duplicate my Mantra and Obsetheds with only a little bit narrower ski. It's amazing though how the construction of skis even in similar widths can have a very different feel. My mantra is a great ripper but definitley a harsh ride compared to other skis.
Any comparisons our there between Prophet 90, Salomon Lord, Rossi SC 80? I have a Volkl Mantra and a K2 Obsethed but want a narrower quicker ski for all the groomer days and firmer bigger moguls. Any ideas? Somebody also said look at the armada alpha one. No park skiing here just expert 37 year old ripper.
Line Prophet 90, Salomon Lord, Armada Alpha one, for firmer, moguls, and no new snow for a couple weeks. How stiff is a Prophet 90 vs a Mantra?
I own a K2 Obsethed 179cm, 177cm Mantra, and looking to replace my 2-3 year old Tornado's with something newer for groomed, firm, and mogul skiing. The Mantra's do rip in the bumps and the Obsethed do very well but looking for something narrower and not quite as stiff as the Mantra's. It's been a very dry year in the NW so big skis were not the choice to buy this year. Looking at the Lord's in a 177cm, Armada Alpha One 182cm, and not sure what else to look at. Any ideas out there?
Willie, I'm bummed that I haven't had any powder days up here to really see the playful deep snow ability of them. After skiing Mantra's all the time its hard to get that aggressive hard charging out of me, plus the quickness in the bumps of a lil narrower ski without a wide tail. I remember trying a prophet 100 last year on a deep day and thought it was great but way to turny for a powder ski. Very quick but a little annoying feeling that tail just want to keep turning. Just curious if the bacon has that same feeling in the deep? I mounted the SFB on the midsole mark. The SFB are a light, zippy, energetic ski as far as I could tell in the conditions i've had them in. Just curious if the obsethed's in a 179 have that energetic light feel as well? Would I get the same over the tips feeling on the 179 obsethed with rocker or is a toss up because the SFB's are so much wider?
I have tried the SFB's on a groomer day and also a day with only 6" of leftover snow. Haven't had any deeper days to see how they shine. They are good on the groomers with that tight turning radius but on the other hand they defintely don't need a turning radius that tight for a powder ski. I ski a 177cm Mantra as my every day ski so far. Demo'd a 189 obsethed but after a couple hours it got too much for me, awesome fun but to much work in that length after a few hours. Wish I would have tried the 179cm instead. I'm 6'1" and 180lbs. Love to rip soft bumps, and trees till I'm dead. My mantra's rip bumps great, the bacon's of course were pretty fat and I also found myself going over the tips on the SFB's flying fast thru crud. How quick does anybody think the 179cm obsethed's will be vs the SFB's in nice fresh snow bumps. Did anybody feel the Bacon's have too much sidecut in the DEEP stuff vs the Obsethed's? Stability in busted up snow between the two? Any over the tip feelings?
Has anybody out there tried a Czar next to an Obsethed? There are a lot of Obsethed reviews but not many Czar reviews.
Willie,What are the Bacon's like when the powder gets all skied out after a few hours. How do they handle busted up powder or even crud compared to the Obsethed's.
Seth, Kevin and WillieThanks for the info. I was able to demo a 186cm Rossi S6 yesterday in only a few inches of new snow over a firm base. I thought it felt very Gotoma like. Railed on groomers like crazy, very light, but STIFF for such a wide supposedly powder ski and a lot of camber in it. Not as much fun as the long Obsethed but much lighter. Havent been able to demo a Czar and in fact havent seen many on the hills around here. Not as much hype or reviews on them as compared to the obsethed. The bacon's get great reviews but afraid of getting even fatter than the S6's for tight spots or soft quick moguls. I'm thinking about buying the 179cm Obsethed's and putting a Z12 Ti on them for the ultralight setup. But haven't thrown out the idea of a Czar also. I will still ski my 177cm Mantra when new snow is under 6 inches. Does the Bacon have a similiar feel to it as the Prophet 100"s? I thought the Prophet had a great feel but too much sidecut for a powder ski.
Seth,How much performance are you talking? Noticeable performance or in theory performance? Extra binding height is better for groomed but worse for powder I've always known. It doesn't seem like the Griffon's grab the boot a whole lot different than the Salomon's. I know the Griffon's weigh a little bit more. Just picking brains out there.
I disagree with the above posting. My 177cm Mantra's with Z12 Ti bindings are the lightest ski's i've ever had on my feet. My 170cm Tornado's are even heavier. I recently tried a 189cm K2 Obsethed with a Griffon binding and OMG, after a couple hours my knees were already tired of being on the long chairlifts. Thought the K2 was a great ski but the weight is not for me, typical K2 though. My wife just bought a pair of Aura's and she thinks they are super light as well. The Mantra is a very hard ski to beat for an everyday no matter what condition ski. Carves like a race ski, super quick when needed, good bomber, the tip does dive some in powder, and a little rough riding when the snow gets choppy. The metal in it is responsible for this I'm sure. Haven't found a ski yet that puts a bigger smile on my face than the Mantra but am still out there looking. Trying an Rossi S6 next.