Ok , after years of 30 years of skiing Ive had many different pairs of ski pants and none compare. I took the plunge. I already have an upper end Spyder jacket and I really like it, so it was natural that I get an upper end pair of pants. I need warmth, COMFORT and venting. These pants rock! They have it all. Warm on the coldest zero degree windy days, and on mornings at 25 degrees only to warm up during the day no base layers needed, just skivvies and the Spyder Davos. Super soft on the inside and out. Ultimate comfort. All day, in any condition. I highly recommend these pants to anyone looking to up the ante with their ski wear. Rock on!