JP Rambowrote a question about Slytech Protection SubPro Short NoShock XT Impact Jacket on November 3, 2016
Whats the sizing on these for a medium and large?
Serving in the military for 6 years I had the opportunity to travel the world. I have stepped foot on all but one continent and have trail ran on some of the most incredible mountain ranges in the world. Now I live in the Front Range and I am using my landscape for epic backcountry accents, and finding bigger and bigger lines to charge. I am always looking for the best possible equipment to get the job done more efficiently and safely. With this in mind, I hope my insight and knowledge will help my community in making better decisions and help drive the industry to develop the absolute best possible products.
Whats the sizing on these for a medium and large?
It seems like no one has had stitching issues like I have on here, which has got me wondering if I got a bad apple. The stitching as can be seen is completely coming undone after a 13 miler peak out on mount Evans this am. My feet felt cozy as they do in most wide toe box trail runners and no blisters is a bonus. The material is light but I had excellent rock protection from the sole plate/rock guard. I also felt like I had ample toe protection from toe kick. Other than that these like many have said are a great trail runner and can be used for fast packing and hiking on all terrains with aggressive tread on the outsoles. Like I said above, the stitching is coming out on the top inside borders of the shoes. Other than that solid shoe. Let's hope for a good 1x1 exchange and a more positive experience in the future.
After one run
The stitching is already falling out after their maiden run...
I got a few pairs of these last fall and like the fit and the material, but unfortunately the material does not last. Within 3 months they started getting holes in the rear area and unfortunately just don't last. The one thing I demand from undergarments is that they last a year. Rotating underwear from day to day you should not have a problem with this, but considering my cheaper boxer briefs made from cotton have lasted more than 3x as long, I just can't endorse paying this price tag for these. Other than that if you need something to last less than 6 months and want something that breathes great these are comfy and breath well.
This was my new airbag pack for this season. I purchased this in a size M/L and am 5'10" 165 lbs. I admit, I purchased one over the summer and used it as a party trick many times. I messed up though and did not disarm the pack off time and did not read the whole manual. Evidently when you don't disarm it; it will drain the battery to beyond rechargeability. Fortunately/unfortunately Black diamond did warranty the item and replaced it no questions asked. The flip side is it cost almost 50 dollars to ship via UPS with 1450 dollars of insurance. I guess that is a small price to pay for a 1450 dollar pack. Need less to say BD warranties department is AWESOME, but slow (3.5 weeks turnaround).
On to the pros and cons... Well first of all, this pack is built with the craftsmanship and quality I have come to expect from BD products. This pack in praticular has a brilliantly stable horizontal carry system for skis. I never once have felt unstable while harnessed to this pack skis and all. It took it up some steep ascents and the pack frame aligns and conforms well with the contours of the back. This pack does an outstanding job of distributing weight equally. Next the back to the pack is soooo comfortable, especially on the longer hikes and tours. The packs security strap system is incredible, with the optional leg straps for extra security. There are additional tow straps that afford the ability to creatively attach extra equipment to the outside of the pack, such as axes, poles, helmet and etc... depending on how crafty you may be.
For my load I could pack a highly compressible down underlayer, Jacket shell, extra beanie, extra socks food (16oz kleen container and snacks), nalgene, Avy equipment, skins, ski crampons, first aid kit, Helmet, goggles and of course a camera. Once in a while I would squeeze in a pocket stove and a cup for coffee and foot too.
So a few things that I do not like about the pack is #1: The weight. My north face patrol was lighter than this pack. Though this is a new technology, I believe the next evolution is to microsize the tech and create insanely light packages. The next issue is why on earth is there a goggle pocket without a scratch proof liner. Now I can't fault BD for not lightening this pack (that will take time) with as well built and attentive to detail as BD is I can't believe this goggle pocket is not lined with a soft microfleece or something consistent with that. Last but not least, and this has nothing to do with the make/quality/functionality at all, but I have the black pack, and hate that the inside is red. I don't know why, it just bothers me and at times makes me apoplectic. Other than these minut details, I love the pack.
Would not let me add this all to my first review so here it is...
As I mentioned I would follow up after some on the mountain experience in these.
I hiked and skinned to the top of Mt. Rosalie today on the south side of the Mt. Evans wilderness area and dropped into a couple of big lines, so I think it is fair of me at this moment to drop some insights. First off, I should mention, I have attempted to use dynafit Vulcans for the last year, they just did not work with my right foot. That said these boots are a comparable weight to those according to my scale (give or take a few ounces) and keeping in mind I put some intuition liners in these. The flex is really incredible in the salomon mtn explore. In walk mode I can flex these to about a 40 degree anterior angle. They lack a little on the posterior flex, not near as good as the Vulcans, but the forward flex is sooo much better. That makes sense considering the Vulcans are a 120-130 flex depending on 2 factors; whether you have the tounges in and the source of the information. With the intuition liners in, I felt like I had a 103 last boot on (just like my Full Tilt descendent 8s.) The boots hiked strong on a 3.5 mile hike/skin. I only had a 1 hot spot, however that is a liner molding modification issue, not a boot issue. On the flats the hiking was like I had a pair of soft hiking boots on (incredibly comfortable) The outsole tread grips snow great, and on icy sections I was incredibly impressed by the stability. Hiking steeps on front points, I felt incredibly stable and of course again was impressed with the outsoles. For a ski and binding setup I had these paired with Armada JJ's 2.0 185 length and Dynafit beasts. They adapted to the beasts beautifully when clipped in. I skinned about 1.5 mile
My initial impressions are premature being that I just received these today, however I thought it would be good to discuss fit. First of all, these boots are suppose to have a last width of 98. I have narrow feet, but a bunion/spurs on the ball of my right foot prevent me from wearing narrow footwear (so my left foot is always looser inside shoes and boots). Because of this I can't tolerate anything but a wide boot even with intuition low volume liners. Considering this, I tried the stock linters on and wore them for about 1 hour, while sitting on my couch and occasionally ambulating. In this time I felt 3 points of pressure out of the box. The first 2 points being at the very top of the foot (metatarsals) before the point where the ankle flexes. The last point was the ball of my big toe. Keep in mind this was the stock liner without thermo-molding them. I then took the insoles out of the liner and wore them without for about 2 hours. After wearing them for a total of 4 hours, the liners did not conform and I decided that the stock liners were just too rigid for me and that the heat molding process would probably not be adequate. At this point, I threw in some older Intuition liners I had from my previous touring boots, and ECSTACY! They were soooo much softer than the stock liners and the volume did not crowd my feet at all. I want to add that I used a medium volume pro tour intuition liner and kept them on for about 2 hours.
In summation; the boots are considerably wider than described above and by the manufacturer. The stock liner has several pieces afixed and sewed into the liner that makes it them very rigid. Though touring boots are softer than alpine, the liners are traditionally more rigid. The stock liner may work for some but not me. I had 3 points of contact that created an uncomfortable pressure. With my experience with boots and liners I decided that there was no way heat molding would be the fix considering the volume issues. I am going to take these out for a tour in the morning and will update/review my experiences from there. I want to thank MR. Ben Rabinowitz (Geared) for our conversation and the suggestion, the signs are good so far!
I picked this jacket up around the beginning of December and now I can't stop wearing it. As a shell, it is super simplistic and trimmed down from last years Sherwin Jacket. They got rid of some excess pockets and now only have a card pocket on the left forearm, 2 zippered hand pockets, 1 napoleon pocket on the left breast that can run headphones through a tiny hole on the inside of the jacket, and an inside breast pocket. The Napoleon pocket is handy because you can access your phone or music with ease on the outside without having to unzip. There is a guid loop on the inside of the jacket that holds headphone cables to the inside of the jacket. This basically keeps your headphones or cable from falling all the way down your jacket while you aren't using them. Small but very handy. The flaps over the hand pockets are actually fake, and have no purpose other than aesthetics. The wrists have hand gaiters made of lycra, so really soft. There are huge vents in the pits. The 2 features of the jacket I like the most is when the jacket is zipped all the way up, the neck has tons of room so you can actually wear the coat zipped all the way up, pretty rad stuff. The other feature that I like the most is the length on this jacket. Definitely longer, but I love the extra length and room in this jacket. Whether I am hitting the large step-ups in the park at Breck/Key or if I am hitting some large natural features in the backcountry, I have plenty of room to rotate my arms and compress on impact without fear of ripping anywhere. Of course this jacket is 3L Gor-Tex (9 billion pores/ sq inch) so it is going to breathe. There is no insulation, just a thin Gor-Tex shell. But whether on the groomers or in the backcountry this jacket will be more than enough to get the job done.
I know what your thinking, those of you who own this jacket, but with the multiple layers of material and the soft flee backing in most of the inside layer, this jacket acts as an insulated jacket. The air gets trapped in between the two layers and really holds a lot of heat. Being that it is a GorTex 2L shell it sheds moisture and maintains the warmth. I have this in the bluegrass and love the colors and the pockets are pretty much the standard pockets they have available in all of their shells with the two outside breast pockets (the left chest with a goggle cloth), two hand pockets and a radio/pass pocket on the left shoulder. When Skiing on the Epic pass my card has a hard time being read by the RIF readers at VAIL resorts, so if epic mix is your Jam, this jacket may not allow the card to read all the time. The inside boasts two more accessory/media pockets, but unfortunately none of them are media cable ready. Another standard feature is the spray skirt and the hood and waist adjustments. This jacket will work with any of the Lofoten, Lyngen and Roldal series. No on to some things I don't like... The flaps over the zippers get in the way of zipping the jacket and pockets up. The flaps are suppose to hide the zippers but cause more nuisance than they are worth. The zippers on this jacket constantly catch material and jamb. The hood of the jacket when zipped all the way up with a helmet DOES NOT provide room for your face, so you are left to push it all the way down below your chin, or forget about it all together. Other than that the material is superb and the jacket is crafted well. Just a few design flaws that don't work great for me. I am 5'10 165 and this jacket fits me well in the size Large. I like to layer underneath so I like a little more room for extra layers and swinging my arms when jumping off things. This jacket has a freestyle feel to it so it is a little baggier than the lofoten jackets and or the Roldal. keep that in mind when sizing.
I should start by saying I have these in the brown. Out of the package these gloves are very lite and cozy around the hand. The Primaloft at 200g generates a lot of warmth for cooler temps, however this is not going to be your -0 glove. I have used this as my resort glove and have about 40 days in them so far and when the temp drops below 10, I start considering other gloves I have. I also like the aesthetics of the glove. The leather is a deep rich color. The gloves flex beautifully and articulate with the hand. There is 2 ribs on the knuckles which allow for a smoother flex. The dri 1 liner breathes great and definitely decreases moisture that may build up on some other leathers out there. It is real goat leather, however the coating they are referring to is already flaking off of the palm of the hand exposing the leather. Out of the package the goat leather has a plastic feel to it (it is pretty slippery for holding poles until broke in) and is extremely thin. It will definitely start to deteriorate by end of season. I am not sure what the best way is to preserve the leather on these since there is a coating on them (which is not silicone). The gloves come with an elastic leash which is probably my favorite feature, really nice for taking your gloves off on the lift and not worrying about dropping them. The nose wipe is very soft and works as advertised. Overall these gloves work and will get the job done, but when you spend a buck 20 you hope to have them for a few seasons for the consumer conscious buyer.
Pros: Aesthetics, Primoloft ins, Dri 1 liner, Leash, nose wipe. Flexion
Cons: Durability, thin leather, slippery palm, cold rating, Price tag for this product
So after wearing these for 40 days on the mountain I finally developed a problem with these. I tomahawked in my skis and one of the skis didn't eject. It must have put enough torque on the boot it cracked the shell by the base of my big toe. Full tilt was incredible on the customer service end and replaced them to my doorstep within 2 days of calling them. Their customer service is amazing and that alone is worth sticking with them.
As for this tongue problem I keep hearing about, I put 40 days in this year and not one problem, but I will admit I have been cautious with it since reading that review. I tipically take my time getting in and out of the boots and don't yank on the tongue. I also did some adjusting of my own and put a little white petroleum based grease on the metal clip itself which made the tongue move 100x more smooth. I would suggest using a lubricant on the piece as it will slide smoother creating less friction and less of an issue with having to really grip it and rip it. Other than that, this boot is sooo comfortable I have never had a better boot. I forget to loosen them at the end of the day they are so comfortable so I end up drinking beers for hours with my buddies none the wiser.
Why on earth is this jacket worth this price tag?
I have had these boots for about a month now. I wore them around my house for several days making sure the fit was good and I was set to wear them skiing. Opening day this year was the 29th of October here in CO and since then I have rode 7 days. Though I have only skiid 7 days this is the most comfortable boot I have ever worn. I have very narrow feet, but suffer from bone spurs on the medial large toe joint of my big toe. The last on these definitely gives me extra room, padding and protection of my foot that I never achieved with other brands, even in their 102 last boots. I opted not to heat mold these intuition liners like have in the past, because I have never been to wowed with the results as well as these were comfy right out of the box.
The wrap liner like all full tilts gives you a stiff flex which is great for transfer of power. The buckle system is much better than older versions of full tilts and gives you a more security in the boot. The tongue flex is great on these for me, I would say about a 110-100 flex in the #8, but you can buy a #10 or #6 tongue to swap out if you need a different flex. Unlike the review below by tinscastle, my tongue system has had no problems at all; and I have been messing with them for a month with 7 days out in variable snow conditions and 1 pow day. Since day 1 I have logged 4 days with 30k plus vert. Aside from that my boots are not missing any screws.
This boot is so lite and and has the sturdiness of my old Cochise 130s. I have hit a few big kickers and the rubber definitely sounds out bigger hits. The shell is stiff enough that I don't feel like the weight compromises the performance. The liners don't feel like they are packing out like my booters did. Aside from that I will continue to update through the season, but right now with this many days on the mountain, this is by far the best boot experience yet.