Joe wrote a review of DAKINE Titan Glove - Men's on December 31, 2010
They are so warm even without the liners. I use the liners as just every day gloves. Only time I have worn the liners in is when it was -5 F. I also put hand warmers in the top pouches that day and it was more than enough warmth. Also they stay completely dry throughout the whole day. And the goretex has yet to wear at all (even at the seams) after a season and a half of riding and everyday use.