Ok, someone riddle me this:
Patagonia Capilene 3: 5.4-oz Polartec� Power Dry� fabric, total weight: 6.6 oz
Patagonia Capilene 4: 3.8-oz Polartec� Power Dry� High Efficiency? fabric, total weight: 5.4 oz
Can the "High efficiency" fabric really be that much warmer? Polartec's website says the high-efficiency Power Dry breathes better, but it doesn't say it's warmer.
It doesn't make any sense that the 3 is actually heavier than the 4. Anyone?
Lobster glove on the inside would be the deciding factor for me - pass. But I don't like the gauntlet on the ORs ... I would like the insulation to extend the full length, so it's not difficult to get wet hands into them. Nothing's perfect.
It seems fishy to me that these mitts have 400g of Primaloft 1 when their total weight is supposedly 205g. Hmmm...
My initial impressions after a few days ice climbing with them are not very favorable. Let's start with the good stuff: they seem very durable. The leather is high quality and the seams are well placed. Obviously only the test of time will tell, but I don't anticipate these gloves falling apart.
Downsides: they're VERY bulky. I cannot envision myself ever leading with them, as I can barely operate a carabiner. They're quite thick, so I got pumped gripping my tools and belaying with them. And, they're not too warm. My fingers were getting cold on a warm day (25 degrees) after standing around for an hour.
I have also worn the Black Diamond Renegades, which I could lead ice in: they were thinner and warmer than these. That said, they're surely less durable (no leather).
I ordered these gloves for leading ice and they're not going to work.
1. They are a weird shape. Aside from the L being slightly too small for me (fine - maybe I am an XL in this glove), the glove was extremely constricting around my thumb pivot. Friends with smaller hands who tried them on felt the same way. This unusual constriction prevented me from effectively gripping anything.
2. These are thick gloves, not really suitable for grabbing anything. Far, far too thick on the palms - so I was getting pumped really easily.
3. There are some weird seams and lots of extra leather on the fingertips. Also not ideal for leading ice.
Needless to say, I am sending them back.
How bulky? Any chance of leading ice in them?
Do they fit on the old Vipers?
Opticus (www.opticus.com) will put prescription lenses into these.
Definitely go with the leverlock. It's easiest and most secure.
I've been wondering the same thing, so I'll throw in my two cents. Haven't used either, so take this with a grain of salt.
At 50 cm the Venom is 4 ounces lighter than the 52 cm Sum'tec. It's a 19% weight difference which I think is reasonable to distribute across all the other lengths, though I can't find data on the weight of longer Venoms. If you adjust for the 4% difference in lengths, it ends up being a 16% difference. That seems fairly significant, especially when we're talking about a quarter-pound and above.
Also, this seems like the sort of axe you would always use with a leash. So while a hand rest is nice for comfort and finger protection, it is hardly necessary.
Yeah. A 22cm will only barely stick out.
PINK! PINK PINK PINK PINK.
Okay, I love my pink tri-cam, but the answer depends on why you're getting them. If you want them as a lighter-weight option in the mountains (to save yourself from carrying big cams), get the big ones.
Personally, I find I use pink, red, brown and the smaller blue the most (.5, 1.0, 1.5, 2.0). I don't have the littler guys yet, but I've always wanted smaller-than-pink tricams.
Hope this helps.
I can't help you with all of those questions, but I can say that you sound almost exactly like me in terms of skiing habits - 80/20 resort/backcountry, a couple trips out West each year, etc. My current setup is Havoc 175s, Garmont Ener-Gs and BD 02 bindings. I'm very, very happy with the Havocs and Garmonts, not so much with the 02s. I'll probably replace them with Hammerheads when I can afford it.
The Havocs take BD clipfix skins well, but I'm not a big fan of the clipfix system - too many gobs because you can't tighten 'em down.
Overall, the Havocs have really been a great ski at VT resorts, and they handled themselves well in Utah and Jackson as well. Hope this helps.
With Ama Dablam in the background. Wore it every day.
Mostly for around the house, in all honesty, but every once in a while I suck it up and go winter camping, and occasionally I'm not going super light. And then I get to bring these and revel, yes, revel in how warm and cozy my toes are.
This is on Odell's Gully, Mt. Washington. Beautiful day until we hit the alpine garden and felt the full 70 mph wind.
It was cold that day - so naturally Chip put on every layer in everybody's pack. The DAS went on the outside, as it should.
Lost Arrow Spire back to the Valley rim
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