The fit of the last (foot shape) is identical to the MT10. The upper has a bit of room in the toes but is a stiffer mesh that has less give than the mesh of the MT10, designed to keep out dust/sand and protect from puddles. It tends to fold and bunch up a little around the flex point for me but it will probably soften with use. The tongue is not gusseted and I found it easily twisted and folded when putting the foot in.
Length is true to size barefoot or with a thin sock. However, I found the toe-room a bit lacking compared to the MT10 due to the stiffer upper, and even a wide (2EE) in my size allowed my 4th and 5th toes rubbed the end. In the end I needed to go up a half size to the 11D in the MO80 to accomodate my wide toe splay, even though the shoe was a tad long for me.
The MO80 has good forefoot flex but is definitely much stiffer then the MT10 (particularly in the mid-foot and heel), though not as stiff as the MT110. The midsole is a beefed up MT10 with amazing toothy tread. It is a bit less cushioned than the MT110, especially in the forefoot. The vibram outsole is soft and will probably wear fast on rock and asphalt but is great for trails. The lugs will probably make it uncomfortable on paved roads anyway.
Lastly - there is a pronounced arch support in these compared to the MT10. That might be a good or bad thing depending on your needs. True minimalists will probably find it far too much, while bad over-pronators like myself transitioning to minimalist running will appreciate the support. I couldn't keep the MT110s due to lack of any arch support and the raised lateral edge increasing my over-pronation.
Overall a good shoe, but I wish it had a little more midsole in the forefoot. The level of midsole support is a bit light for people transitioning or logging a lot of hard miles on technical terrain, and the stiffer heel/midfoot and arch support might encourage a heel strike in those still learning proper barefoot form.
I bought a half size up to accomodate my wider toe - I might have been able to get away with my size but do not regret going up half a size.
Great grip, fits wider in toes and overall medium volume. Very comfortable, but fits small - definitely go up a half size unless you have narrow feet. Even then I found the toe box a little low volume due to the thick foam insole. But swap it out for a thinner one and it's a great comfy fit. Filters out stones etc yet leaves a decent ground-feel. Not too stiff.
I too find chacos fit a little large. I measure a size 10.5 US and wear 10.5 to 11 depending on the shoe. I found the size 9 a bit too small in the chacos (my toes go over the ends when flexing), and the 10 a tad big but workable.
My 2 l Source bladder fits perfectly in the upper compartment. I'd prefer one along the back, as this makes the lid too heavy, but the benefit is getting all the water out more easily.
High arches usually means rigid arches - you don't need arch support for high arches, but good cushioning. The neutral would be a better choice for rigid arches, while if your arches collapse and you over-pronate, having the stability control of the guidance is better than an overly neutral shoe which can exaggerate over-pronation.
Look at the Salewa Mountain Trainer, it is much more comparable to the Fugitive:
Frankly, Asolos usually have the tightest toe-box of any boot I've tried, though the fugitives are wider than many others. The Salewas Mtn Trainers are pretty spacious width-wise in the toes but lower volume overall.
I don't have the rapace but do own the similar Mountain Trainer Mid. The fit is true to length - but I tend to size up a half size to accomodate my wide toes. In most boots this makes them too roomy, but the Mtn Trainers are lower volume, so they still fit well. If you have a narrow foot then I'd go with your measured size for sure.
From my very early testing just around the city after a wet snow, wet cut boards, and on some icy patches, it's not bad. Better than I thought, but I suspect wet polished granite may prove a little slick. The toe area has little tooth and is meant more of a climbing toe, might help but I prefer toothed.
Generally most boots are designed to accomodate swelling, which affects volume more than length, and therefore can be addressed with loosening laces. In addition, these boots do fit pretty true to length. However, as they are narrower and lower volume boots, some people who do not have narrow or low volume feet may prefer to go up a half size. I went up a half size to accomodate my toe width needs, and find it still very supportive fit-wise for my otherwise medium width and low volume feet.
I've got my pair - been wearing around the house for the last couple of days. Can confirm that there is good forefoot and toe width and volume, but I did go up a half size to an 11 from a 10.5. Because the boot is overall a lower volume fit they still hold my heels well without adding extra padding or socks. So far very impressed with these boots overall, very high quality and very comfortable. Will give a proper review once I wear them out on a few hikes.
A slightly rugged but handsome shoe. Slate black is more of a light olive/brown, and the two tone look is quite subtle. Good tread for a casual shoe, grips well on a variety of surfaces but not overly aggressive. Leather is decent quality but soaks up moisture very easily, so if you plan to wear in wet weather be sure to treat them with nikwax or something similar first.
Fit true to size, unlike some keens (e.g. Targhee II). Medium width overall with a slightly wider heel, and good volume in toe-box (more than for many other keens), plus the classic keen wide/squared toe. Fit is different than the Austins, with the Briggs having both more volume and width in the toes.These are also a bit heavier, feel like they might be a little more durable.
The volume is quite adjustable depending on how they are laced. Tied snuggly, they fit my medium width, low instep, low volume/narrow heeled and square toed feet well enough. But they could definitely fit a higher volume foot with a wider heel.
The footbeds are unique compared to other keens - they're very thick, with a thinner open cell foam over a denser poly-urethane closed-cell foam underneath. They are very comfortable. The footbeds provide moderate arch support.
They are stiff at first, especially the edges of the tongue and around the ankle bones for bony feet like mine, but they begin to soften quickly. A few days of wear should break them in enough to wear for long walks.
Make my feet sweaty, but most leather shoes do. Wearing in freezing weather kept my feet comfortable when moving, but wouldn't want to stand around long in them.
Overall a very good shoe. I've only worn them a few days so I can't speak about long-term durability, but they seem and feel well made, much like all my other Keens.
Thanks Andrew. I've got a pair on order in an 11 (I measure 10.5) and I am crossing my fingers. I'll test them out with a few different insoles to make sure. We can compare notes here.
The summit is pretty high volume though, so unless you have a high instep a narrow foot will swim in these.
Both are pretty narrow. The Asolo in wide opens up the heel and midfoot and adds volume, but in general, isn't wide in the toes. The Vasque summit is a high volume boot with a high instep and is wide throughout except in the toebox, which tapers sharply (though less than the Asolo). If you're looking for toe width, neither boot is good.
Yes - but of all the merrell models I've tried, this one has the widest forefoot, even in a medium. It's as wide as my Keens. Just not as square at the toe.
They fit quite similar, but the SL M3 has more padding around the heel and ankle so it accomodates a lower volume better. But overall shape is very similar.
Unfortunately since I am ordering from Canada ordering both is too expensive with shipping etc, so I can only afford to order one. I might just use my own footbeds depending on my needs - I like a lot of arch support and a deep heel cup. I can probably tune the volume with padding and footbeds, but there is only so much I can do about toe width room. Adding toe volume only helps a little, I need more flat space for my toes to spread.
Can you speak a bit about the shape, width and volume of the boot in different locations (e.g. heel, mid-foot, forefoot, toe-box)? This kind of information is always lacking in these boot descriptions, and with online purchases being so important to sales these days, it should be mandatory.
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