These are very good mitts, plenty of down around the fingers. Warm .... but not overly so.
The sizing is misleading from RAB. These, compared to the Large Endurance Mitt , are an XL or XXL. I like this , as it is very hard to find large enough what I'll called "sized and made in Asia" mittens that I can wear heavy fleece gloves inside . BTW, the Endurance Mitt and these are exactly the same length, in the photos you can't tell.
The palm material has no extra grip, it basically a Cordura, no rubbery quality to it at all. This could be improved.
The label says 50g of 850 fill, but compared to the 50g of 750 fill in the Endurance, these appear and feel less full. The Endurance mitts are stuffed, like an airbag, wow. These, not . The good news though is there is the down is where it counts, around the fingers and in the hand.
The pile liner is awesome, and it's thick and huge ! It measures almost 7 inches across at the cuff and almost 6 across the palm. I've used just these in warmer conditions with a shell, very versatile. I've also used just the dowm mitt with my own windstopper glove inside. I'v also used the down mitts alone inside a shell. These are very versatile Mitts . Nice :)
The safety leashes btw, have no adjuster, they're stiched together 2 inches from the end. I guess you're supposed to tie a knot or attach it to your body with a carabiner(RAB told me this one) . I use my own.
Overall, they do the job they are intended to do , all one can ask for .
These Mitts are bit odd to me. The sizing from RAB is confusing and misleading. RAB USA was of no help before I ordered these. I also have their Expedition Mitts, which is the same labelled size Large, compared to these is an XL or XXL. For me these are just not large enough.
The Expedition Mitts have lots of down around the fingers , where it counts. These do not . The long, wide cuffs are stuffed to the max, but the hand narrows down considerably . At the tips of the fingers there is not that much down, so ALL that cuff down is rather misplaced in my opinion. I've not heard many say "My forearms are freezing but my hands are warm !" Put the down where it matters, around the hand.
The palm material is great, grippy. I wish the Expedition Mitt had that, it only has a heavier cordura nylon with no grip.
I have some of these Mitts from 2001, when they used 2 layers of PL One 4 oz./sq. yd on the palm, and 3 layers on the back. That was then.
I just ordered a new pair of Exp. Mitts, as my 2001 pair have been compressed in the palm for most of the years I've had them, rendering them for use only with thick liners and no colder than about 20F. A con of Primaloft is holding it's loft under long term compresion.
That said, these new ones, by my educated guess, are using no more than the 200g back and and a little less in the front. It's nowhere as thick as the previous version.
The sizing is smallish, about the same as it was in 2001. I can wear a powerstretch liner in an XL and that's it. My originals were undersized too, considering the "Expedition" tiltle where you'd assume they could handle a heavy glove inside for use in real cold. I thought they'd change that but they did not.
I imagine true professionals likley have their mitts made for them custom, and what is sold to the public is a "consumer" version.
Is the zipper 2-way ?
There is not a simple answer to this question, as any comparison depends on how much and what kind of down is used, and what the weight per square yard of the synthetic insulation is used, as well as the brand and type of sythetic fill that is used . Simply, there are infinite variables when comparing.
As far as Marmot in particular goes, if you email or call their design department, they would be best sutited to answer your questions , but even then they would only tell you what jacket may be comparable relative to another jacket.
Myself, having worn both down and Primaloft jackets for many years , they are both great and each have pros and cons. It's like Apples and Oranges, alike and yet different.
125g for the Ama , 99g for the Zeus. (from scanning online) Accounting for the hood of the Ama, the fill is about the same.
Warmth is so subjective, fill alone is only a rough guide.
I have last years Ama, and I've worn a Zeus. Fit is quite different from my subjective standpoint. The Zeus was overly snug at the collar, too large in the body. The Ama is trimer in the body and the neck is much roomier . The fit of the Ama for me is darn near purrfect (Size L, 75 inches tall, 170lbs.) :)
The high loft fleece is great but the un-atomical cut to the shoulders leaves the sleeves riding up severely. You'd have to add about 3 inches the the sleeve length, but that'd be silly and doesn't address the shortcomings of the cut. I don't know how Marmot and Patagonia used to do it with their Angel Wing and Y-joint shoulder cuts , but they're not doing it much anymore. Not on this jacket. The powerstretch panels are useless, as on all fleece jackets. This fleece has plenty of stretch on it's own, and the ps panels just serve to create chilly spots on the jacket. I wish every manufacturer would stop using ps panels to fool people, trying to replace a properly designed jacket!
If anyone here owns/ed a Patagonia Pile jacket from back in the 80's, you'd know what design perfect is . I can't seem to find anything close, but I'll always be looking for it:)
Heres a large M10 inside out. The pitzip is underneath the mesh if you look closely(in green). The 2-way pitzip itself is 17-1/2". You basically have a huge pocket on each side. You can have the pitzip open and still carry things in the pockets .... just don't open the pitzip all the way to the bottom, you'll still get plenty of ventilation.
The photo uploader appears broken, I tried both Firefox and Chrome.... ho-hum ..
I've worn Patagonia stuff since the 80's, and their choices of when or when not to include a drawcord has always been apparently wacky.... more so now than ever. The R4, a windproof jacket has no drawcord .... while the R3 ... a slightly wind resistant fleece does! That's just nuts. Unless you are a FOAM fit (Fat Ol' AMerican), the waists on their windproof fleece jackets is HUGE . Have they never heard or felt the chill of the chimney effect?
Yes .... functionality is not their strong suit anymore(as it once was)..... it seems fashion and or a self deluded belief that they are saving the planet by practicing "minimalism" is.
hearty laughter :)
Is the fabric mesh on both sides, or is the inside smooth ?
The black close-up makes it appear the fabric is smooth on the inside. Is the fabric mesh on both sides, or just the outside?
Is the red really that bright, or is it just the online photo? I've seen other images where the red is rather dull, like Cardinal red.
I bought 3 of these a few years ago due to frequent power outages in our area. They are terrific, and do last a very long time. I have yet to wear out a set of batteries on any one lamp. I often use them now around the house at night instead of a flashlight.
For maximum life, you don't need to run it on high, you can run it near high, and save a lot of juice that way, but still get a ton of light. On lower settings, it will run seemingly forever.
My only suggestion for an improvement would be make the LED's less visible, make the lens material more opaque. As they are now... you get lighter and darker spots from the individual LED's. Not a huge issue..but room for improvements.
Regardless, I'd buy more if I ever needed them, and recommend them to anyone.
I liked everything about this jacket, great fit, super warm. After just a couple of weeks of use though, seams started failing in multiple places. That sucked..... it was a great jacket, but they need to improve on the manufacturing big time!
I can't recommend these, unless you like the feeling of wearing cut off jeans, meaning the fabric has no give, the fit is snug in the hip/upper thigh, and it just doesn't move with the rider. They could be designed better, more anatomical. The velcro cuffs are an afterthought, there isn't nearly enough of it to snug them around the calves.
For now I'll stick to Ex Officio Amphi pants rolled up as my knickers. These are not intended for cycling, but their cut is perfect for it as the pleats in the front offer plenty of freedom for the legs, unlike the Zyme.
How much does the rack weigh?
The Atmos would have been okay for me, but it seems Giro decided to leave out any pads on the top of the helmet. The postage stamp sized "excuse me" pad on the crown doesn't count. If the crown was smooth, it may not be an issue, but it's not.... so it digs into my skull in one place where the roc-loc attaches.
For reference, I use a Pneumo. I've also used the Ionos and Saros/Athlon, and even some of their lower-end helmets.... all of which have pads on the top of the helmet and feel great. It appears the Atmos is a bit of anomaly. Of the Giro's I've seen, the Atmos was the least well finished of them, meaning irregularities in the roc-loc attachment to the helmets, sloppy velcro attachments, and sharp points in the front of the Atmos. The technology may make it a high end helmet, but by the sloppy construction I'd think it was a $50 helmet.
The Ionos and Saros are both fine helmets. The Saros, which is noticeable more narrow in the width and outer profile than any of these helmets, is a nice new addition. I can't say I notice ventilation difference between any of these Giros despite the claims, as I am a human and not a test dummy.
To place a relative value on the Atmos, it's not worth it for myself. Everyone's different though, so try one.
I like this tool.... but I've tried 4 of these and each one has irregularities in the accuracy of the hex heads. Some fit very loose, rendering them as useless as a very used hex key. Some have been so tight I can't get it to even fit in. The box wrenches seem fine. Yes, it's for emergency use only and I don't expect it to wear like a shop tool. It should be accurate from new though. I use their AWS-1 also and it's dead on snug fitting. I contacted Park about this tool and they suggested sending it to them so they can measure it's accuracy and offer me another, as the do warranty their tools for the life of it.
If you get can get a good one, it's a very useful tool to carry.
The Black and the Patternskin photo are the same. Is this a case of photo error? I am looking for the regular black ones without the big DeFeet logo written on them. Thanks!