Sent these back after ordering the "Graphite". They look exactly like blue jeans so if that is what you are looking for then perfect for you. Build appeared to be quality and they fit good for me through the thigh with some extra room. My last two Winter pants were Patagonia Snowshot (complete FAILURE) and the older Rubicon from Patagonia. From what I understand they changed fabrics for the Rubicon. The old version was a pant you could wear a couple hundred days. THe Twitch pant felt like it might get you there too, I just couldnt get over the color.