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I've probably toured 30 days in these this season and they are great at keeping you dry and from overheating. I really like the thigh vents which let you dump heat without bringing all the snow on board. I ended up modding mine to cut buckle windows into the cuffs so I could engage and disengage the tour mode on my TLT5 boots. They have held up to a lot of abuse while shcwacking in this low snow year as well as being up against rock and ice on some light ski mountaineering routes I've done. I will definitely get another pair once I destroy these but looking at them after a full season makes me think it might be a while.
I love these guys! Patagonia nailed it with these. If you are going to be involved in any kind of aerobic activity (touring, mountaineering, alpine climbing) in a cold environment these are great. The soft shell material and vents keeps you dry when moving which keeps you warm when you are sipping tea on the summit. The suspenders keep the pants where they belong. I'd recommend getting them in your actual waist size or even a little small because the waist does stretch a bit(that is why the suspenders are great). There is also a kick patch near the cuff to protect the fabric from misdirected hits with the crampons.
Durability, durability, durability
I love Patagonia, really do. But these were scraped up within a couple hours of ice climbing. The sides are not tight like european pants and thus are super prone to crampon hangups. Knees are "reinforced" but were scratched after kneeling a couple times on a rock and a mixed pitch. Might be great for skiing, but find something tighter for climbing.
Tight in the thighs ? No way !
I was little worried when I ordered these pants, because I read many complaints about them being tight in the thighs. I usually wear size 34, but I have trouble finding pants that fit over my thighs and that are not too loose at the waist. For $120, I took the chance, and ordered size 34.
Got them today, and I have to say they fit perfectly. They have nice athletic fit, but they are not tight by any chance, and my movement is not limited at all. I think I found my new softshell alpine/ice climbing and BC skiing pants.
Good Softshell Pants
These are a great pant for what I need them to do. They're fairly durable, breath well, and are slim enough that they don't get in the way (of crampons &c.). They are a little boring looking, so steer clear if you're planning on entering yourself in the steezy brobrah comp this season.
The two complaints I have are that sometimes the vents aren't enough - I cut the lining out so as to cool off and show off my skivvies. Also, they have kind of a long rise. I find that I either have the crotch hanging low or the waistband up near my belly button.
Looking at buying these pants for ice...
Looking at buying these pants for ice climbing and back country skiing, but was wondering if anyone knew about the legs, if they are baggy or not ? .. i can't have them baggy because i don't wanna shred them with crampons on. If anyone can help thanks
I wouldn't call the legs on the Backcountry Guide baggy at all - I've never ice climbed in them, but I use them for ski touring and think the fit is spot on - room to move, but not too loose.
Love the pants...only one little problem.
Great pant...especially the fit. Nice and slim but still enough room to move. Good breathability and side zippers. Suspenders are a nice addition. Only problem is, there is no hook attached to the minigator like one would expect to attach to boot laces. There are loops on each side of the minigaiter for a strap of sort, but i have yet to find a good setup. right now i'm just using some cord to loop under my shoe. Neither backcountry.com or patagonia has been able to find a good strap for this use. will post when i find a good setup.
I just took these pants for a trip up Rainier. The pants were very comfortable. I was a little warm on the climb due to the small quad vents. I hike warm. Some full length side zips would be better for dumping heat as needed. I stayed warm and dry with 50 to 60 mph winds at the top and a silk weight pair of long underwear underneath. I did use crampons on the climb and they basically shredded the built in gaiters. I would recommend to Patagonia that they put some heavy Cordura or similar material on the bottom to protect the pant or wear some heavy gators on the outside of the pant to protect the bottoms. I assume ski edges would shred the pant also. They due have a small light weight protector patch on the inside cuff but it is basically worthless. Cheers, Jack
Last pant you'll need for winter...almost
These pants are great; phenomenal soft shell for winter use. They're great for skiing, climbing, mountaineering, etc. I've yet to get wet in them and the times I've felt the wind cut through a bit have been very few - 70-80 mph gusts. I don't use the suspenders (they're easily removable). I'm tall and lanky at 6'3 and 180 and the medium gives me a great athletic fit. I tend to use these with a light base layer for activities where there is a little more stop and go and the temperature is well below freezing. In moderate temperatures (15+) while doing something highly aerobic...I find these to be a little warm and prefer something like the guide pant, also by Patagonia.
These pants rock. The attached suspenders mean I don't need to use a belt if I don't want to (great if I'm wearing a harness). The fabric is relatively soft and warm on the inside with a fleecy waist band, but slides over thermals easily. I wore them ice climbing alone in 40 degree temps. The ice was wet, but these kept me warm and dry. Twice I spiked myself with my crampons, and though I have a gash on my leg, you'd never know from looking at the pants. I literally cannot see any damage in the pants from stabbing myself with steel crampons. I'm sure there are a lot of great soft shell pants out there (a bit crowded market at the moment), but you won't be disappointed if you go with these. I'm 6'1"/32" waist and they fit true to size and well in length. They are "slim" fitting as advertized, think "euro" fit. I'm a relatively skinny guy so I appreciate it.
Nice Pants for the Backcountry
These are great pants, I've used them for some backcountry skiing, some warm resort skiing, and playing some pond hockey and they've rocked. I usually pair them with a pair of capilene long johns and they've been good at a range of temperatures thanks to the vents, which feature a nice mesh. My only complaint is that they could have used a windproof fabric on the thighs, if it's howling out I usually go with a pair of windproof tights on underneath or go with a different pant. The gaiter cuffs aren't adjustable but they fit over my downhill ski boots with no problem, and hold snug.
Which are better suited for BC Skiing?...
Which are better suited for BC Skiing? These or the Alpine Guide?
I have both pants and prefer these for BC skiing most winter days. I like the integrated gaiter on these and the suspenders. There is one fewer pocket on this than the Alpine Guide, but these incorporate long outside leg vents which can be nice. That being said, the Alpine guide pants would be great for spring skiing and I know several people who also ski in those. I simply find the BC Guide to be a bit more burly, water resistant and nearly windproof. Hope this helps!
I just wanted to confirm with knanier on that one. The gaiters on these rock, they stay snug over boots all day, and the leg vents are another nice feature. Also, the two way fly is a handy feature if your stuck in a harness and would need to relieve yourself.. Plus they're super comfy! Getting back to your pad after a day spent in them, you won't be rushing to change out of them like you would in other brands. Thats my opinion at least...
I have had several pairs of the Alpine Guide pants in the past and have loved them. I decided to go for the slightly more bomber version and am equally pleased. I skied four wet resort days last week and was pleased to see these pants outdoing my buddies Gore-Tex pants. I am 6'5" with a 32" waist and they fit better than any other brand out there. (they are obviously too short but I'm used to it.) I usually stick the edge of the cuff under my middle boot buckle to hold them down. The suspenders make this even better.
good for earning your turns
The Backcountry Guide Pant is the best pant I've found for backcountry skiing. A perfect mid-weight soft shell, with waterproof panels on the butt and knees to keep you dry while sitting down for lunch or kneeling to rip skins. Fits over even an alpine boot easily with the minimalist style gators. Huge side vents help dump heat, and the whole pant breathes well. Slimmer fitting than a traditional ski pant from Patagonia, but not tight by any means. Great in a variety of temps, and still good nasty weather protection w/ the DWR on the soft shell.
With the sizing of these pants is the...
With the sizing of these pants is the number given the waist or the inseam? Cheers.
Travis, the # above indicates the waist size of the Backcountry Guide Pants.
im looking for a pant that will work for...
im looking for a pant that will work for ice climbing, mountaineering, and skiing on and off piste, will these work for me? also, any other suggestions that might work better would be appreciated.
Joey, the Backcountry Guide Pant would be great for skiing, ice climbing, and mountaineering. It leans a little more towards the ski side, if you want something lighter weight and more geared to the climbing check out the Lightweight Guide Pant from Patagonia. Slightly lighter weight and a little slimmer fitting
Hard to know what size to go for. I'm a...
Hard to know what size to go for. I'm a 31 to 32 waist without clothing and not very big legs, I usually fit well in slim fit clothing. I will be using these pants for ice climbing and one thin layer underneath. A size 32 should fit well or? I use Medium in all my other pants.
But with a base layer and a thin fleece I'm 34 closer to my hips (where I usually wear the waistband on pants). So how am I suppuse to messure?
you are better off ordering both sizes and then sending one pair back. there is no way to know which size you are with the variance in sizing among manufacturers, and even with a manufacturers line. backcountry makes it very easy for you to do returns, and will sometimes send you a return label if you order multiple sizes by phone.
I'm a 31 inch waist and the 32 inch fit me with some room to spare even with thermal long underwear on. Unless you're wearing thick fleece underneath I think the 32's would work for you.
Anyone with experience telemarking in...
Anyone with experience telemarking in these? Any issues with knee-pads?
Is your concern having space for knee pads? The Backcountry Guide Pant should have ample room for em no problem
Really like the fit when climbing, agree little tight for over the boot while skiing. Durability has been disappointing. Don't handle ski edges well or hold up well against abrasion.
Write your question here...So i am a solid...
Write your question here...So i am a solid 34 waist in other pants will a 34 be too small if im layering up or did patagonia put some thought into that? also how thick are these pants, are they lined?
I wear a 34 in other Patagonia technical as well as casual pants and a 34 in the Backcountry Guide Pant is perfect for me. I do tend to size most of my pants up slightly, as my actual waist size is closer to a 32. There's plenty of room to layer a piece of two of long underwear. They're a mid-weight softshell with and 8.6 oz fabric and a slight brushed lining inside.
I'm a 34 in everything and they don't fit me. Too tight in the thigh (a common complaint) Don't know why Patagonia sized these with very slim thighs, pretty silly for a ski pant and if it weren't for that they'd be great.