I bought a bunch of climbing pants awhile back and I've ended up using these almost exclusively. I liked them ones so much I got them in 2 colors. I'd get them in more if they had them. They fit loose but the knees and the roll up bottoms are great for climbing. I've taken them on every trip so far this season. They aren't too stiff or thick that they ever interfere but they're thick enough to give my knees a little protection from the rock and keep me warm when the wind kicks in all with the peace of mind that they're organic cotton…and really soft. I've crawled into my sleeping bag in them a few times too tired to take them off and not cared. They also don't show harness sweat lines like some of my other climbing pants do. I wish they were an inch longer on the inseam which means I don't dry them in the drier in case they shrink. They have a drawstring which I sometimes get mixed up with my ropes and often untie on accident, but no worries there's two backup buttons on the inside.