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The Volkl Mantra Alpine Ski rips like a race ski but, thanks to its wide shape, floats like a powder ski—the combination makes for a badass all-mountain destroyer. The Mantra Ski's super strong wood core and double titanium sheet construction beg for high-speed turns and blow through crud. A 133mm tip keeps this Volkl ski floating effortlessly above the powder as you fly through back bowls and slash through the trees. Once the bowls are beat, take the Mantra howling down the groomers and show the rest of the hill that fat definitely doesn't mean slow.
Bottom Line: The Volkl Mantra kills it. The Volkl Mantra kills it. The Volkl Mantra kills it.
The price is that same for all lengths of the skis, so these 191cm are the same price as the 170cm. The don't have any in stock at the moment, but you might be able to check with the live chat, to see stocking issues, or possibly get an email when they do get some. Other than that check back in the fall, when all the new gear for the winter comes out.
These things rip. If you are a former racer, grab a pair of 191s and don't look back. They turn like a GS ski in the groomers, and the width gives them great float in the pow. Definitely my go-to ski for almost any condition.
I have the '08 model in 176cm. (I'm 5'8" and 145lbs) I love them. I also love my GS skis. Hopefully if you're looking at these skis you're primarily an off-piste skier, because that's what these are really for. They're very stiff, so they're not a dedicated powder board, but when conditions start getting weird, these skis are there for me. The stiffness gives the mountain a very smooth feel because they'll blast through a lot of crud and stay on top of powder and slush. They're pretty damp and I haven't found a speed limit for them yet except on refrozen crud and mank. They still work on that stuff - it's just not as much fun. I also find them to be very nimble, although the next size up was a bit much for me if I went in the rocks and trees. I really love the width because I think that's a big part of the stability of these skis. I'm landing much bigger airs with them than I would choose to do on my previous skis (K2 Public Enemies.) If I had to ski only one ski for a whole season, it would be these.
There are two things about these skis that I don't like. One is moguls. They're a big, heavy ski and while I can navigate them through a mogul field and even do pretty even, consistent turns, they're a lot of work. I've seen people on Mantras making moguls look easy, so it's definitely doable. You'd just better be really good. The other is that I had trouble staying on top of the super-light powder in Colorado (I usually ski Tahoe.) I definitely still had more fun with it than I would have had with any other ski I've owned and probably more fun than with some powder skis I've tried, but if I put a Duke on this ski at some point, it's going on 1cm back of the factory line.
It is hard to believe that only a few years ago a ski this width would be considered fat, now by western standards at least, this is a mid fat, all mountain ski. In the big winter that was 2008 in Utah, I skied these a ton. I put a Duke on them, so used them for moderate length tours, but also skied them many days in resort. This is a great ski for an area like Park City, or even Stowe - they work in such a wide variety of conditions. However, when it gets really deep you want something fatter (think Katana or Gotama). What is nice is you can throw this ski on if you don't really know where you are gonna ski, or with who. If you end up on groomers, they can hold their own, but if you get pulled into crud, powder or a little sidecountry, you still have the right tool for the job. They get squirrely if you ask them to perform on steep, icy, hard snow. There, they feel a little like an old straight slalom ski, somewhat skiddy - but to be fair that is not what Volkl had in mind when they designed this ski. The term "one ski quiver" is an overused cliche, but appropriate for the Mantra.
I am 36 yo 5'10 175lbs, expert skier, for a Texan ;). Most of my skiing is out west (Colorado, NM, Utah). I am typically a 40% off piste, 30% groomers, and 20% bumps, 10% trees, 0% park.
I am looking at a mid 170s length of either the Mantra, Bridge or Line Prophet 90. All three get good reviews and this is the Mantra board, but any thoughts between the three and my ski habits?
The Mantra is as good as it gets for a one quiver ski. Now that I've got that out of the way, lets talk about it's deficiencies because there is more than enough praise going around. I'm 5'11", 175 lbs, expert ability, and I ski the 184. So, let's break it down into the various situations where the Mantra isn't EXACTLY perfect. First off, when I'm charging hard or straight lining down steeps that have been chopped up, the ski isn't quite as stiff as I would like. Now, bear in mind that most people will never push the ski to this limit. Also, it's not as if the ski is flopping all over the place... it's just not quite the tank that some other more one dimensional skis are. Secondly, it doesn't have that "floaty" feel in powder like they would have you believe. It doesn't sink out of sight, and it definitely isn't a struggle in powder, but it just isn't a pure powder ski. Lastly, if you intend on ever going near the park, this probably isn't the ski for you. This ski works in almost ANY other situation on the hill including ice, moguls, groomers, etc, but if you try taking it into the park you will realize that it has no place there. It is simply too stiff. Now if you're paying attention, you'll have noticed that I complained of it being both too stiff and not stiff enough, which is what you would expect with a ski that is meant to perform all over the mountain and under almost any conditions. This brings me to my final point. All in all, if you are an advanced/expert skiier and you can only buy one set of skis, the Mantra is for you, end of discussion.
Jason, I am 6 feet and 175lbs and ski the 177 - which was recommended to me by a backcountry guide. I spent 20+ days on them this (past) season and they run anything except NE ice. I got the Marker Duke bindings if that is any help.
I know a lot of people that would say go in either directions, but it comes down to preference. If you are used to a ski in around the 177, and like them there, then go for that. If you like throwing a couple of longer planks around, then the 184. I would say that the 177 would be more versatile, and be easier to track through the bumps and trees, but it's up to you.
Let's start off with specifics. I'm 6'2" and weigh anywhere from 225-235lbs during the ski season. I previously skied Seth Vicious 189's (way too soft) before the Mantra. Now i'm on the Mantra's (191) with a salomon lab binding. The Good - My first day on these skis was at Crystal Mtn (WA) and it was 35degrees with about 10" of super heavy snow - typical cascade concrete. The Mantra's absolutely killed it. The tip BLASTED through the crud like it wasn't even there. -almost zero deflection in the tip. I was making 2-3 turns where i had to make 15 cowboy turns with the Seth's. I couldn't help but smile when bombing down to the lifts (my teeth were cold from doing so). Top end - not sure if the Mantra has one...incredibly stable at speed. Powder - becasue i'm a heavier guy, the tip naturally comes up to the top. If you're a light guy, then you could potentially submarine occasionally in deep snow - just a guess.
The Bad (ish) - you better be in shape. Let me say that again...you better be in shape. The mantra has energy for days. This ski doesn't get tired, although you just might. Stiff Tail - while great for bombing runs, you will always know where it is.
Final thought - the Backcountry review is spot on. The Volkl Mantra kills it. Don't be confused though...it will either slay the mountain or you.
I'm 6'1" 225#. 50 YO. Been skiing for 40 years. Very aggressive, strong and athletic skier. I demoed a pair of Mantras at Keystone for two days this past March. Great fun. Even as wide as they are I could easily string together tight slalom turns. Letting them loose in big super G style runs was awsome. They were very fast and very stable at speed.(54mph by GPS) Handled the afternoon ice with ease. I did have trouble with them in the bumps. But I had a huge grin on my face everywhere else.
I'm 6'4", probably 230# in ski gear, ski aggressively and had a ball in a foot and a half of fresh in Snowmass this year on demo Mantras 184 cm long. Just wondering if anyone had tried the 184's and the 191's and could compare and contrast their handling. Anybody my size have a recommendation?
I'm 6'2, 185lbs (w/o ski gear), and would never go shorter than the 191s. This kinda depends on how aggressively you ski, but if you like to give it, then you need to step up to the bigger size. Next time you're in a tram line or gondy line at a resort with a lot of good skiers (Snowbird / Jackson), take a look around. All the rippers have skis that are about as tall as they are, sometimes bigger.
I am a bit smaller than you, 6'1" and maybe 200# in gear, and I demoed both lengths this year in 3'+ of pow, mostly in the trees though, which is what I love to ski. Because of this, I loved the 184, which could swing around in the tighter trees a lot easier, and still had the float for my size. The 191 was super nice too, tons and tons of float, but I couldn't throw it fast enough for the tighter lines and I ski aggressively, but a bigger guy might be able to do this easier. I found the 191 excelled in the more open conditions for me. I think that it comes down to a judgement call, if you want something that moves faster grab the 184, but I think you could probably throw the 191 around.
First off i'll say that i am not a 5 star or no star reviewer. seem like everyone likes to give 5 star to something they like, i try to reserve that for something truly exceptional.
That said i think the mantra is a great ski. Demo'd it today in whistler and really liked it. No powder so cant comment on that, but on nearly everything else this ski was real solid. easy to carve, and also its fairly happy to do tight quick wiggles, not bad for a fairly fat ski. Felt solid as a rock on ice, and happily ate its way through crud. Didn't feel quite as comfy going through moguls, but hey, you cant have everything. All in all a great ski, and giving serious thought to buying it. However it didn't blow me away enough to quit searching for alternatives just yet, got a few more skis to try before i make a purchase, but this is at the top of my list so far.
When I can't find any POW I am skiing the glads and the bumps. I am looking at the Bridge and Mantra. I don't feel I really need anything fatter for the POW I have lots of fun in it now with my "skinny" skis. Which ones would anyone one here suggest. Plus I am cheap so I hate spending retail on anything.
Definitely gonna pick the Mantra over the Bridges in this situation. The only thing the Bridges might be better at is bumps, but that little bit of waist extra here on the Mantra is definitely better for everything else. You might not think that wider skis are necessary, and they aren't, but they are way more fun, and a lot less work, meaning no burn out after all day pow.
Did you grow up racing, or love skiing on your carving skis. But now you need something for softer, deeper snow. Take a look at these. With a layer of metal in them, not too aggressive sidecut, and 96mm waist, these things are oversized gs skis. These fat gs skis, provide great stability, excellent edge hold, and the ability to carve all over the mountain. Unfortunately there is a down side to this. They are heavy and do not float as well in the pow as similar skis in this category. If you are looking for some better soft snow performance, check out their big brothers, the Gotama.
I am 5'5" 140lb. Looking at an all mountain fat ski for powder,crud, trees,narrow chute. Ski mostly in Sierra Tahoe areas. I narrow down to 170 Volk Mantra and 167 K2 Coomba. Coomba has 102 waist vs Mantra of 96 and I wonder this make a big difference in powder with my light weight ? I heard Mantra is a stiff skis and wonder can my weight be able to flex it for quick turn in trees. Anyone recommendation from soneone ?
Well either ski you buy is a banger option. The K2 I have used in almost all these conditions, and it excelled. The Volkl I demoed for a weekend in deep floaty tree lines, and I had no problems at all with the flex being too stiff, but I am a bigger guy, and I like stiffer planks. The difference in waist size will be noticeable, but it is not something that you would need for your weight, you can float on a 96 waist for sure. Overall you can't go wrong, but I think that the Volkl might be a little more versatile for the less deep days.
I mounted these in a new 2009 184's with some hammerhead tele bindings. Just took them on their first big tour yesterday. We skinned up 2500 feet then cycled some great spring corn for another 1500 of vert of uphill skinning or so. These are not lightweight skiis! but I knew that going in.. I don't like light skiis or boots (my boots are the rockin garmont energ). Not for the meek. I'll give 'em 4 stars for now until I've got more time on 'em.
These things look to be da bomb! My legs are wasted but then I'm soon to be 45 years old and still crankin tele turns baby!
Can anybody compare the 184 mantra to the 183 stiff bros? Ive finally narrowed it down to these two skis. Im just kind of concerned with the turn radius of the bro. It seems like it would be tough when your skiing real tight lines.
Personally, I would say the Mantra is the better ski here. If you were leaning more to the Stiff Bros, don't let me dissuade you. The turn radius doesn't make a lot of difference really, it only comes into effect on a hard arc turn. You can throw them sideways, or carve like normal.
I've done a lot of demoing of mid-fats and fat skis over the past couple years. I'm a very aggressive skier and typically spend about 40% off piste, 60% on. These skis truly defined versatility for me. They drive through crud, effortlessly float powder, and love to throw down GS turns on the groomers. I've taken them through trees, steeps, powder bowls, hucked cliffs, and even skied moguls. I've felt nothing but love for these skis. I ski mainly in California and would say that you might want something a little fatter in the lighter CO/UT pow, but this is a great every day ski for Mammoth or Tahoe. Can't go wrong if you're looking for a one ski quiver. For a sick setup mount the Marker Jester (Big-Mountain freeskiing) or Duke(AT).
I've been looking for a ski just like this for awhile, good groomer, and good in moderate powder and crud. I ski the atomic gs12 race stock and need something aggressive and fairly stiff, how does the stiffness of these compare, and how do they handle in the park?(jumps only)
volkls are generally on the stiffer side of the spectrum and as such are more suited to freeride than freestyle. If you wear a pack or weigh a little bit more than average for your height, then the stiffness is negated somewhat. I think mantras are fine in the park unless you are talking about throwing huge airs. It all depends on just how aggressive you are skiing
I don't know if I would want to jump with a ski as stiff and heavy as the mantra unlesss I was landing in powder, I can feel the pain in my lower back already.
So I skied these skis for 6 days in every condition there is....i love them. if i could throw money down on a new ski this would be it no questions asked. the mantra is at home any where on the mountain. i am in idaho and blasted through freshies, crud, groomers, and left-overs in these bad boys and ripped every second. It is not a ski for someone who does not want to put in work but if once you get them dialed, you will slay the mountain...i promise. They are phat under foot but still can catch and hold edge. So sick, i love them. Negatives (lets face it thats why we read reviews) - you do have to push this ski to catch and turn. you feel the tail alot, i got crossed up a few times. It has a wide radius, more like a gs turn than anything else, if you want short tight turns get something else or get ready to put in work. Overall - they bust through crud like no ones business. i was making my own turns on top of a steep cruddy chopped up black with no worries. this f*in ski rips if you can get dial it in. I would be happy with this ski for any condition but it does chatter on fast hard pack.so stay in the pow and backwoods. cheers
The recommended binding for this ski would be the Marker Jester it can handle the abuse but if you want a total bomb proof binding that is mostly metal check out the Rossignol Freeride 150 or 200. The freeride 150 comes with a 100mm brake and the 200 comes with a 120mm brake so I you buy the Freeride 200 you would have to buy the correct size brake to go on this ski.
I disagree with the above posting. My 177cm Mantra's with Z12 Ti bindings are the lightest ski's i've ever had on my feet. My 170cm Tornado's are even heavier. I recently tried a 189cm K2 Obsethed with a Griffon binding and OMG, after a couple hours my knees were already tired of being on the long chairlifts. Thought the K2 was a great ski but the weight is not for me, typical K2 though. My wife just bought a pair of Aura's and she thinks they are super light as well. The Mantra is a very hard ski to beat for an everyday no matter what condition ski. Carves like a race ski, super quick when needed, good bomber, the tip does dive some in powder, and a little rough riding when the snow gets choppy. The metal in it is responsible for this I'm sure. Haven't found a ski yet that puts a bigger smile on my face than the Mantra but am still out there looking. Trying an Rossi S6 next.
I am 5'10 and 150 lbs. I am an all mountain advanced skier and have read a ton of great things about the Mantra. I like ripping down groomed runs as well as hiking for some untouched deep snow (I primarily ski at Tahoe, but will be moving to Boulder, CO in the fall). I'm looking to hit deep powder, jumps, as well as groomed. Couple questions come to mind:1. Should I go for 177 or 188? my current set is a pair of very stiff 177s 90/10 parabolics which are great for groomed, but suck in powder. I'm typically content w/ them on moguls, but find them to be a bit slow otherwise. 2. What bindings do people use, I have heard good reviews from look p12 and also rossi axial 1403. Mounting position. I thought to mount them forward +1 cm, but after reading the reviews, seems like most people mount them backward -1 to -3 cm since there are varied opinions on the center line for the mantra.Any recommendations?BTW, if anyone is in Boulder, let me know. I'd def meet up for a ski day!
2/2/09 I never thought a ski design could make so much difference. I'm 55, 198lbs (wet), 5' 10" (dry) and pretty sporty but no marathon man. I started skiing 14 years ago to get my 14 year old son into the sport - We live and ski in New England. Specifically Maine and New Hampshire's ice laden Hills! The Good I stepped out of my Atomic Supercross 160's and strapped these 177 fats to my boots during a recent demo day at Sugarloaf. The deal was I could try up to 3 different skis during the day - the reality was I never got past the first pair - The Volkl Mantra with Marker Griffon binding @ 177cm was (is) the ski for me. I'm not a tree or mogul skier but I like to try and take on whatever the day and the conditions dictate. My Atomics were great on fresh groomed or virgin pack. But with my moderate to advanced skier skill I had trouble in late afternoon crud and powda' over 6". The Atomics would run away from me and in those conditions. I would hunt down virgin corduroy or simply justify my age and head for the bar! The Mantra on the other hand has me doing the opposite - the crud and powda' is Mantra heaven. I was now looking for late afternoon build up, the thicker the better. Hard messy tracks were no match for these stix and I'm sure when New England turns on the fresh, the Mantra will exceed my limitations as a skier. Who ever thought a tool could make craftsmen. The Mantra makes me look (or at least feel) just that. I can't wait for them to take me to the status of a (senior) master Yedi knight! Meanwhile the bartender will have to wait till dark before he'll see me again! The Bad I had to pay Volkl for the privilege.
I sized my skins so that there would be plenty of edge showing for side-hilling and such. That being said, subtract roughly 10mm from the widest part of you ski (the nose) and keep the length of the skins as close to the length of your ski as you can find. You'll trim them to fit once you have 'em. As for models, can't go wrong with either my roommate's Black Diamond Ascensions or my G3 Alpinists. Have fun out there!
The ski that mhc142418687 mentions is probably the Aura, which is actually 94 under foot, and is the same as the older Mantra from 2 years ago, a red ski . The Aura is, as mentioned a great higher performance women's ski. The newer Mantra is 96 under foot. black this year, white last year, and a great ski for more off-road than on road. Wouldn't want to see this ski on front side use only. Wood core, vertical side walls, basically no speed limit, but firmer tail, so if you are looking for a casual ride in soft snow, then probably not for you, look to the Coomba from K2. softer, 102 under foot. And don't transfer an "old" binding from something in you closet. The newer bindings do work better with the wider skis. As mentioned, the Duke, if you want to climb, or the Jester if you don't want to climb, are good light choices, but remember, the raised toe height will feel different. Or go with the newer Sal. Z12 or Sth(14 or16) , wider AFT, great boot/binding/ski purchase. And lastly, not that this web site will like it, but buy locally!! Most shops do discount at the rack now, so support them and they will be around for you to touch the new toys of tomorrow.
I am an east coast skier I just got back from a trip to Tahoe. 8ft in 5 days yes it was epic! The downside my Scott Mission skis w/ duke binding were stolen :( now I need to get another mid fat ski and was looking for some help. I loved the missions but some of my friends in the biz are trying to get me on the mantra. So you know were its going in the quiver I have a pair of head monster 82's for the east coast ice days, and a set of scott P4's for the deep pow days. What would be a better middle ski for the east coast were I am 90% in the glades/woods or charging bumps. the mantra in a 184 or the misson in a 183? I am 6'1 208lbs
Mantra in a 191. I am 5'11", 185 and ski the 191 every day of the season. Easily rip monster GS turns thru chopped up crud snow of the east coast. They plow thru anything. At top speeds, the ski quivers a little bit but you'll figure out how to fix that after a couple scary fast runs. Awesome thru bumps. Very consistent flex from tip to tail (STIFF). Some people say too stiff for powder. Not sure on that one, haven't skied anything deeper then 10" as of yet. My buddy and I ski nothing but Salomon stock bindings. We got away from Look ZR/P18 since it didn't give you that same clamped in, boot to ski to snow feel and flex throughout the turn. Mount it straight up or slightly forward if you think the 191 is too long, it will make it feel shorter. I don't ski trees.Good luck.
Bought this ski based on reviews and never demoed it. This is my first year on the Mantra (Griffen bindgings) and just spent 10 days in Big Sky, MT skiing powder, crud, hard-pack, mogels, trees and ice and was shocked how much better my Mantra preformed compared to my old Volkl AC4. Simply put, if you need a ski that can handle everything (in the west) this is the ski for you. FYI, I'm 50, 170 lbs, 5'8" tall and an expert skier who likes off piste more than on. I purchased the 170 over the 177 because I like a quick turning ski in the trees.
I am 63 yoa, 6', 195lbs. and ski Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous, Nordica Doberman Pro 130's. I am considering going wider. Would the Mantra fit the bill? Or what else ?
There are threads about the binding position being forward on the Mantra (see TGR forums). Not sure if that's good or bad. I mounted mine on the factory mark. My 184 Mantras did feel short at first compared to my 183 Scott Missions (me: 6'2", 180lbs. Bindings Sal Z12 on both pair of skis). The 184 Mantras have a 22m radius and my 183 Scott Missions have a 15.5m radius and a more rear binding mount. So the Mantras initiate more easily but don't try to turn across the hill like my Scotts do. So they're more mild mannered in the turn, but running flat on firm the Mantras swim (that's w/ the factory tune).
The Mantras also pound through crud better than the Scotts which got deflected more so I feel more confident on the Mantras and will let them run more. -1 star for the swimming--my Scotts don't do that.
Both skis ride the hardpack well, maybe less chatter from the Mantra. The Mantra is lighter than the Mission (actually made by Fischer).
I am mid lvl ski'r whos interested in a well rounded ski that can take me through the crud and pow but truely shred the groomed stuff. I am torn between the Volki Mantra or Volki Unlimited AC50. I've never used a wide ski so im curious what the differance between the two would be and what would be better for me. I ski mostly east coast. Any feedback would be great thank you.
It depends a little on your skiing style. The AC50 is a groomer ski meant to be put on edge. The mantra is more of an all mountain ski that would feel more at home in some deeper stuff. If you mostly stick to groomers, I would go AC50; if you plan on doing a little more all-mountain skiing and throwing in some trees and some west coast trips, go with the mantra.
I have last year's Mantras (184's) mounted with Bomber Bishop tele bindings and completely love this set-up. Float well through the pow but rail on the groomers and stable at high-speed.
The recommended binding for this ski is the Marker Jester. The Jester is an awesome binding super light and perfect release. I also use the Rossignol Axial2 Freeride 150 I really like this binding too. I haven't had any problems with pre-release and the construction this binding is bomb proof. The Rossignol binding is heavier because of it's almost full metal construction. So really what it breaks down to is two awesome bindings one that is lighter with plastic housing and one that is heavier and uses metal housing and seemingly more durable.
Agree the 08 (gold) Mantras are "Like fat GS skis". I ski a lot of bumps and trees, and venture off piste as long as the conditions make it worth while. Well, last year with these skis there was a lot more "worth while" than ever before (and a lot of OB terrain too :).
For years I've preferred longer lengths and at +175lbs I started out buying a 184cm pair. This was after demoing an 07 (red) 177cm pair that skied very short (likely a bad mounting position with the crappy rental bindings attached). So off I went on the 184s, but whoa they liked to run scarey fast, too fast through the woods and too straight in the bumps. Luckily I was able to go swap these for a new pair of 177cm (gold again) and skied hard for the last 3 months of the season on them. I can't say how much improved the 177cm was for my style... aggressive, turny, ski everywhere. I would rate these at 100% everywhere except icy conditions (icy goomers or bumps) when only a race ski would help.
I'm a bit older now, but still manage to yoyo bump runs and yes... most of the time make it look easy. Spent the other 50% of the time in the trees snapping twigs and LOL all the while having a superb time.
Having skied a bizillion pair of demos, no way would I say these are heavy. Rather, look at the bindings you mount and judge accordingly. I had mounted a pair of very light and low Salomon STH 12 bindings, which worked great. Wouldn't think of using a BC binding in the bumps, that would be crazy.
Having skied Colorado for the last umpteen years, I'm use to the light snow we had there. I'm now up in the NW area - pass at Schwietzer this year, so we'll see how these work in slightly wetter conditions.
In Colorado, I did find the 08 Mantras slightly narrow and slightly too stiff for soft pow. This was true for both the 184 and 177cm. Wishing for a pair of Gotamas for that extra float. However, the Gotamas are a longer turning ski (and ultra fat) which I don't like in the trees and bumps.
Mantra 170 or 177?I currently ski the Nordica SUV14, 170, 115-70-99, 16m sidecut. I love them for the East Coast, but I make some trips out West. I tried the Mantra 177, 98 waist with 20m sidecut. I loved the Mantras on the Pow and Moguls, however I felt I was working a little on the groomers. I blame it on the jump from 16-20 sidecut, the fatter ski, and my skills not adapting to quickly. What are you thought on going with the 170 Mantra with a 18 m sidecut?
Why don't you try the Grizzly's. They seem a little more suited to your riding style with a smaller turn radius and at 89mm underfoot its certainly bigger that what you're skiing now but will no doubt float better and still be a great all mountain carver
I tried them this past week in Telluride. They were my first fatter ski. I am an East Coast skier and currently ski the Nordica SUV 14 170, 115-70-99, this was abit of a change. They were so fluent and excellent in the Pow and moguls, but I felt I was working a bit on the groomers. I blame that on the change from 16m sidecut to a 20m, as well as the 70 under foot to 98, and my skills not adjusting that quickly. They did get very fast very quickly on the groomers like a race ski.
I tried the 177, I think if I bought them I would go with the 170, the sidecut is 18.2, but still has the fatter footprint I am looking for.
I am 5'8" and 180lbs. and wondering whether the 170 or 177 makes sense for me. I ski everything on the mountain in bounds and am aggressive but not nuts. Thoughts?
Hey James, im also 5'8" 180 lbs and I ride the 184 Mantra and love them. I have been on them for 2 seasons and have never thought of another ski. The bigger the better, they are like a tank in all conditions!
Demoed the Mantra on the East coast and also the west. Park City and the Canyons. 2 Ft of snow on a monday and I found freshies Thursday, Friday and Sat. Crushed through everything I could find. Quick through the trees, light to hop around on some steep chutes, Overall an incredible ski. Also been a racer my whole life and never have skiied on anything else than Race skis, on east coast groomers and Ice these skis held up to quick slalom and fast GS turns. I am 6'5" 205 and have skied the 177 and 184. Purchased the 184, could probably go longer but I tend to enjoy a shorter ski. Still need Bindings???
Havent been able to decide which size would be best. I am a 6'1" 195lb advanced to expert skier. I skied a 191 rossi mountain viperX for years, but thought it was too long. Tried the 181 Liberty Hazmats, definitely too short. And thought the 186 line prophet 100's were perfect... Which Mantra should I go with the 184 or 191? I ski everything: trees, pow, crud, steeps. 90% in-bounds.thanks
best things i ever put on my feet, handles everything well if not superbly. just got back from 3 Valleys in French Alps and did not feel like I needed any other ski, whether is was sneaking out of bounds and taking a whole day to ski back to a trail, or barrelling down the groomers to get back to the condo. yeah, they don't float exactly like a TRUE powder ski, but do a damn good job and are very maneuverable in any type of snow. chop doesn't stand a chance, and tolerates big drops and hits to hidden boulders very well. super stable at high speed, almost felt like they begged for more. For those with questions on bindings for these skis - Salomon STH 14 on mine, awesome, solid, reliable with release when you expect/need it. Did not try Marker Griffen, but felt very plastic-y in shop. Am sure all would be fine. again, awesome ski to handle anything extremely well if all you can have is 1 set of skis.
I am interested in the Mantra. I am 6'2" and 200lbs, I ski all over Alaska, steeps, chutes, groomers and of course pow. What size should I get 177 or 184. I ski 183's now.
These skis are sick!!! They ski everything well. I am stuck skiing in Michigan for most of the year and they handle groomers and crud very well for a fat ski. I only get out west skiing about once or twice a year and was stoked to see how well they handle powder. If you are looking for a do anything ski look no further.
I've got mine mounted with hammerheads. You should be able to with 6 screws in each toe plate on the hammerhead. They have a steel top sheet so you should haven't any issue with screws pulling out.
I also don't had out 5 stars often, but these skis are 5 star worthy.
Demoed these for a week on a trip to Red and Whitewater. Ended up with a drought, skiing on 2 week old snow which meant zero tree's and lots of groomers. I've never gone faster on ski's before in my life. I grew up skiing in New England, and straight line bomb groomers. These things were rock solid, just point and go. Unfortunately, I was not able to put them anything deep.
The only thing I didn't really like was the slight twin tip. I keep my ski's very close I guess and the tips seem to get a bit hung up on each other at times. Prolly something I would get used to.
I think I'm going to pick up a pair of the 184's, once I get some scratch saved up.
I had a chance to ski these on a 4 day, heavy snow trip to Targhee. I was expecting it to be a very dull, float-at-all-costs ski that completely fell on it's face when it left the deep stuff, but I was pleasantly surprised. I found it to be very lively, suitable for the gamut of turn radiuses, and even just fine ramming it through some fluff-topped bumps. But where it really excels is in the crud and powder - completely effortless. As an old-timer expert, I cut my teeth skiing the steep and deep on long, narrow slalom skis (think, Rossi ST 207s, etc) - this ski is just as lively as those old sticks, and about 1/10th the work! My main complaint about this latest generation of skis is that they don't really let you get down into the snow where the action is, but still a lot of fun. They seem to have found a way to make a ski float like hell and still actually feel like a ski should!
Not sure about the exact weight, but my 177 cm Mantra with Griffon binding is much lighter than my 168 cm Volkl 6 stars. I was surprised that the 177 feels shorter than I expected. Maybe the broad tip? ANyway, they are great in eatern powder and rip GS turns on the groomers.
Great ski that can do anything. With Marker Jester bindings and Garmont boots and these skis I feel confident with any condition the mountain has to offer. I'm 5'10 and 170lbs. I bought 177's. You may want to test drive a size larger, but happy non the less.
I have the 184 Mantras 07/08, there seems to be a major issue about the mounting points. Some say +1cm from the side "I" mark, some say -1cm from side "I" mark and some say boot center star mark (the red star) So what is the right spot.
After a day of a demo run, I purchased Volkl Mantra (online).
The ski is incredible for powder, crud, and groomers with loose snow. I'm having a tough time navigating on hard pack runs with them, but that may be user error.
The order process on backcountry was a breeze, and delivery fast enough to beat the next storm.
The Mantra's are flat money! If you only have the cash for a one quiver ski this is it! GS turns on boiler plate no problem. Charging turns thru crud say it ain't so! Good flotation on blower days, you betcha.
Looking for the right binding for the Mantra. Marker makes the Griffin will that do? I demoed the Mantra back in 07 at the Gee and it was love at first run but don't remember what binding I was in. Little help. Thanks.
In my quest to find a complimentary ski to my 175cm Volkl Super Sport 6-Star carve ski and after hearing great things about this ski last year and learning that Volkl didn't change anything substantial about the Mantra for 2008/09 I was pretty excited when the snow started falling this winter. I have to admit that I didn't ski on the Mantra at all before buying a pair of the 2007/08 when I found them for a great deal which is a unlike my normal ski buying habits where I want to try before I buy but the deal was too good to pass up and they were well liked last year. I opted for a pair of 170's with the Marker Griffon bindings as I am 6' 165lbs expert skier, but wanted to stay with a shorter ski length to be able to stomp anything in sight. I also ended up switching out the brake for the 110mm rather than the 90mm brake arm that came with the Griffon bindings I got to provide the needed clearance since bending the 90mm brake arms just wasn't going to work well with these bindings. Some thought the 110mm brake arms would be too wide and hangup on eachother, but I have had no problems with them after bending the inside arms in towards the binding slightly (not even sure if that was necessary but I did it anyway before I even took them out).
Like I said, these are a complimentary ski to my carve ski which I still prefer whenever the conditions get hardpacked or icy, but on a good powder day or even a few days after when it is all tracked up but still cold dry snow I pull the Mantras out and go anywhere and everywhere. They are very different from my carve ski, but then again they are supposed to be and that is why I picked them. As for those who feel the Mantra is a "heavy" ski, believe me these are some of the lightest skis Volkl has made in a long time. Volkl is an enthusiasts ski, not an everyday intermediate skier. Every car or motorcycle enthusiast has their favorite ride and most are not comfortable for just a Sunday drive - same goes for Volkl you either love 'em or hate 'em - I LOVE 'EM!
I am 5'6" 170 lbs, very athletic. I love to ski off piest. I have never owned a true powder ski. Would these be a good choice, and what length would you recommend? Thanks much!
You & I about the same size & I love the 170 for everything mostly because it is a little quicker than the 177. BUT if you want a "Powder Only" ski this may not the be right one. BUT if you want a ski for powder and everything else, get the Mantra!
We awakened to about six inches of new fluff and it was still snowing hard when we loaded the chair. We made our first run down Crazy Horse, me on my Rossi Z 9s, and all we realized the conditions demanded fatter skis. At the base area, we trooped in and selected demo skis. I chose a pair of 177 Volkl Mantras and we headed back up asap. We opted for a blue cruiser - Calamity Jane - as a warm up. My God what a fantastic ski: smooth, supple, excellent flotation, quick to answer skier input. I deliberately skied behind my friends, cutting across their wakes. Smooth as silk. No spooky change in speed, no hooky tips when snow consistency changed. After Calamity Jane, we headed for the ungroomed, steeper slopes, off piste. We hooted and hollored all day, and I really put those Mantras through their paces in just about every condition the day offered and they responded beautifully. We skied down a blue groomer in the afternoon and they held as well on the "harder" surface as I am accustomed to experiencing with my Z -9s. Truly, the Mantra can do it all.
I have Volkl 10' tiger sharks, love them, but am looking for a wet-dry powder & crude ski to compliment them. I'm leaning towards a Volko Mantra 177 or Armada ARV 175. What do you think?
the Mantra's are made to bust through crude and wet pow. I just recently got back from utah a couple weeks ago. On our last day there we went to powder mt. and they had just received about 10" of wet snow. The Mantra's held their own and it made for a great day, despite bad visibility.
I have the women's version of these skis, which are identical to the men's but adjusted for height and weight differences. As a former racer who loves to rip 14" powder lines after a 45 minute hike up Aspen Highlands, I'm pretty demanding of my skis. These are the ONLY skis I've had that can both float AND carve, and are the ski I ride most in my quiv of race skis and fat boys. If you're looking for a burley, versitile, fun, and fast ski, slap a pair of Dukes or Jesters on these and let 'em rip. :)
I'm interested in buying the 177cm Mantra. I'm 5'9, 160lbs, and an aggressive skiier. I'm looking to also purchase the Rossignol SAS2 150 Wide Ski Binding. Is this a good binding for the ski? Thanks!
If I were you I'd probably go for the 184s, especially if you are indeed an agressive skier. They'll ski a little short with the twin tip and the extra length will give you some float and the ability to charge hard. That's a good choice on the binding. At 100 mm it won't be too wide for the ski.
Anybody out there have an idea on how much stiffer the Mantras are than the Gotamas? I demoed the Gotamas on a big powder day and loved them, but am thinking that the Mantra is a bit more versatile (i.e., I need a "one quiver" ski). My concern is whether they'll kick my butt too much. I'm 6-1, 180 lbs and am an aggressive skier, but my form is less than perfect -- would skiing the Mantra be too much work? I spend most of my time in trees and bowls but still like to carve a groomer -- just don't want something too stiff. Any thoughts?
I've skied an the last three versions of the mantra and the thought has never crossed me mind that they were working me as opposed to me being in complete control. I'm small, 5'7" and 135 lbs, but I can ski a 177 with ease. I ski the Mantras in all Utah snow conditions and they are trule some of the most versatile skis made and no matter how deep it gets or how hard the hill becomes, they are my go to set of planks. If you are truly aggressive, you shouldn't have any issues with the Mantras; that being said, if you are flying down the hill and in the back seat, these skis will let you know you are doing something wrong. If nothing else, they are a great teaching tool. They keep floating in up to three feet of powder and on the groomers and hardpack they catch and hold an edge.Get a set and don't look back.Edit: My only regret with the skis is that they don;t have a rocker shape and that the rear tip is pretty shallow so you might dive in some slow, switch maneuvers.
I am an aggressive skier who has snowboarded for a few years but would occasionally bring out the skis as I will never completely give up one or the other. Now I am itching to get back on some boards and am trying to figure out what I should get. 5'10" 160.... and looking at Mantra, Snoop Daddy, and Rossi Sin 5. I'm guessing between 175-185 in length for all of these. I ski mostly in Tahoe and if at Squaw will do laps at KT-22 or Granite Chief. Don't spend too much time in the park, but may choose to go off of a kicker randomly. Always will seek powder if its an option but like to ski everything. Any thoughts?
Can't go wrong with any of those skis. S5 going to be a little more playful than the other two. Only reccomendation is to demo as many pairs as possible. Since you haven't done a ton of skiing recently, you need to try as many pairs as possible and figure out what kind of shape and flex profile you prefer the most.
I'm 5'9" and about 185 lbs. I've been eyeing up the 177cm Mantras for a good all around ski? Would you recommend this or another ski. I'm an advanced to expert skier and spend most of my days on the east coast but usually in the trees and steeps. I'm on a pair of 174 PE from 06/07 and love how the ride but they've taken a serious beating. I'm also looking for something just a little wider then PE's to keep me up in the pow. Any recommendations?
This is one of the better all-mountain skis around, the 177 should be good for you. If you want other suggestions, the Line Prophet in either the 90 or 100 are both sick skis, or the K2 Kung Fujas. The K2 is my personal favourite ski, thanks to it's true all-mountain versatility.
i'm a fat pig but can ski....im 39yrs old, 5'6" 190lbs. i've been skiing my whole life and really enjoy the bumps and the steeps. i'm weakest on deep powder since i grew up skiing in the northeast. i want one pair of skis. what do we think about the 170s? any other suggestions?
hello, the Volkl Mantra is probably the most versatile ski on the market. It will really help you in the deep powder and pretty much rips on everything. this ski can hold its edge extreemely well on New England ice and will float great in the powder. as far as bumps are concerned, it won't be that great but definately will work. this ski truly does it all. many people ask about sizing and it really depends on what type of skiing you intend to do and also your personal skiing style. i am 5'4 130 and ski a 170 and i love it. what really matters is the skiers ability to flex the ski. skiers with more weight can flex the ski better. based on your description of yourself, i would not hesitate to say that you could comfortably ski the 177 and probably even the 184. i would go with the 184 if you like to fly down the mountain. the 184 would also perform better in the powder as it will distribute your weight better although with the 184, you will sacrifice performance in the bumps. so pretty much the 177 will better for tighter turns and better control and the 184 will be a more aggresive ski.
I'm 6'6" and about 200 lbs and I ski expert terrain in mixed conditions. I also like to go fast. I'm split between the 184 and the 191 mantra. Just wondering what you would suggest for me.
The 184 would be a super versatile option for you. The 191 might be a little long, especially if you ski trees or bumps. If that isn;t a concern, the 191 would be a good option too, but I recommend the 184.
Hey guys, I'm 5'9'', 190...39 years old...i'm an advanced skier that used to be an expert ( I had a serious ACL injury in the past that keeps me from going all-out like I use too )...I ski 168 6 star supersports on groomers that I love...I 'm hesitating between the Mantra 177 and 184...I ski the east coast and want to use them for glades and out of bounds skiing...I also do 1-2 trips a year to Utah or to the Banff region...What do you think ?
I'm 5'11" and am running 177's. Just got home from a week in Utah and skied the 177's all over the mountain and they're plenty of ski. I think the 184's would've been a handful. If I were you, I'd stick with the 177's.
Looking at these sticks in the 177 or 184. I'm 5'9", 180 lbs advanced skier primarily ski steeps in the east with 1 west coast trip/year. Currently on a pair of Nordica SUV 14's (basically a GS ski). I'm leaning towards the 177 based on my 90+% east coast use, any advice?
I demoed a pair of 170 cm Mantras today at Taos, NM. It had snowed 20 inches the past 3 days... we found first tracks in some places and it was chopped up in others. Heavy setting snow, not light powder. We were skiing steep and narrow chutes, and trees all day, with a few mogul runs for warm-up.I am male 5' 9" and 135 lbs (very light I know)Question is, I had so much fun on the 170's that I would like to get them. However everyone I know is stepping up to bigger sizes. I felt completely comfortable on the 170's, as if everything was easy - even bumps.Is it a macho thing to go bigger, or is there a reason I'm not aware of? After only 1 day skiing on the Mantra's I didn't have the chance to test them fully.The one place I might find them too short would be charging through crud and breaking up little bumps... but wasn't able to test under these conditions.I don't want to be on the smallest skis on the mountain, but I also don't want to let my ego get in the way.Thanks!
Don't let your ego get in the way. If the skis felt good, they are the right ones for you. Don't let everyone else going longer affect your descision.Additional length helps in a couple areas including powder and crud performance as well as stability at speed. But if you demoed these skis and they felt good for the type of skiing you do, then get 'em.-----------Yeah man, it's not the size of your d**k, it's how you use it. I'm 6'2", 160lbs, and I ski 177s (I telemark and prefer tight, short turns). For a while I got real self-conscious in the tram-line at Snowbird, and so upsized to a 185. But, after a while, I realized that I just have more fun, and ski better, on my shorter skis. Skiing is about the stoke. If these skis get you stoked, then buy them.
I'm 6-2, 210lbs. 80% on piste, 20% off, demoed the mantra 177's for a week in november and they seemed pretty nice. Had a lot of fun in soft moguls, trees, etc. I'm considering purchasing a pair, and am wondering if I should go for the 184's. I prefer steep steeps/chutes, trees on pow days bowls, etc. and don't know if the 184's will be to much in trees, glades, etc. Expert skier since 3 years old. I need something that I can use as an everything ski as I cannot afford more than one pair. Will probably use Duke or Baron binding. Any recommendation on the length and/or a similar ski to look at? Thanks.
I would absolutely say go with the 184s. If you are an expert, you will have no problem handling these in the trees. If you are only going to have one pair to use for all conditions, the 184 is it.
I'm trying to decide between Mantra's (184) and some BD Kilowatts (185). I'm looking for a solid setup that'll be just as happy in bounds as on short-medium wasatch tours (thinking about mounting a pair of Baron's on them). I'm mostly concerned about durability, stiffness, and weight. Any info on how the two compare along those lines?
"The only advantage of the Kilowatt is the weight."About how much are we talking here? The Kilowatt comes in at about 8 lb 10 oz, but I can't find a weight for the Mantra's ANYWHERE (and not for lack of trying). I'm mostly looking for a ballpark figure, just to get an idea whether the Mantra's a pound heavier per pair or more like 2 or 3 lbs per pair. Thanks!
Same old question...but in a slight variation.I (6'4'', 240 lbs) am looking at the mantra, probably 191 cm, for pure (70/30+) powder days. I have another pair of nice carvers that I use for groomed conditions. I am just sick and tired of renting fats (almost) every time I go to UT or CO. I saw all sorts of opinions, and my main point is whether the story is different at my height/size. Should MY fat maybe be a bit stiffer, like the mantra? or should I still go with something softer like the 4frnt vct? what other options come to mind for a pure powder/backcountry ski ? what's the min width under the bindings that I should look for?Also, I take it that a lot of people love the Duke 16, which was the one I was planning to go with (the Mantra). Any other suggestions?Thanks.
With skis getting fatter and fatter, the mantra really isn't considered a "pure powder" ski anymore. It would fit more into the 'all-mountain' category in that it can handle crud and groomers effectively as well. If you want strictly powder performance and are a bigger guy, I would look for something closer to 110 at the waist. Check out the Scott P4 as another option.
I am a 5'11" 190lb male. I typically ski a 170 ski that is more of a carver, say 75 waist. I am looking to buy the mantras and I've been told to go with the 177s. This seems like it may be too much ski. I am very aggressive and ski the whole mtn. but lack solid technique. I'm worried I might not be able to manuever a longer ski as well, especially in the trees. Any recommendations?????
alright mate, im also looking at the 170 mantra, well either them or the scott mission na sure yet, my bro ahs last season mantra 177 and he says he wishes he got the 170, the ski sounds like its fat enough to float on the powder but the shorter ski would allow for easier use on the bumps, me and my bro the same height weight etc as urself and the 170 should come up to just above your chin
I am looking for a ski that will work well on the groomers but will also perform well in powder and crud. I ski primarily in the east, but travel west to Utah, Colorado, Montana or Tahoe every other year. The conditions where I ski here in the east are groomed, crud, choppy snow and a rare powder day (maybe 4 to 5 inches). When out west I would like to be able to ski the front side as well as dabble in the bowls and chutes where there is powder. I would also like it to handle the chop that some slopes in the west become around mid-morning on a powder day. I don’t care for moguls and I don’t ski the super steep terrain. My objective would be to go where I want when I want and have a ski that will handle it. I was thinking about the 2009 Mantra in a 177 with Marker Griffin bindings; but I have heard great things about the Line Prophet 100’s, so I am looking for a little guidance. I am an advanced aggressive skier with a height of 5’10” and around 200lbs. I currently ski on 175 Volkl Superspeeds and have been in powder only a handful of times (would like to get better though).
This would be a great ski for what you are describing. Prophets would be great as well and are a very similar ski. Going to be a matter of personal preference which you choose. Might reccomend going for the 184 though for better pow performance and stability at speed for someone your size.
alright fellow snow heads, right im looking at either the 2009 volkl mantra or the scott missions, i realise that the missions are a bit narrower in the mid therefor slightly better on the turn on piste, i have seen great reveiews for both but totally stuck, i am gonna get the marker jesters on mantras if i go for them but do the jesters fit the missions, any help would be appreciated, BRING ON THE POWDER, PEACE GIBO
im not that heavy, only 78 kg's i am quite aggressive and like to ski fast, my technique aint amazing though, the reasonim concerned is i was on 190 twin tips last year and found it a harder turning especially off piste, thats why im drawn to the shorter 170, do you think the missions would be better for me then, thanks for the feedback wasquatch
I'm 6'4" and 200 lbs. I'm an intermediate, but aggressive skier looking to spend more time off-piste than on-piste. I'm looking for an all-mountain ski to replace my Volkl Supersports (can't afford a powder-specific ski...too many other toys). I have several questions: a) I'm leaning toward the Mantra, but not sure if the 184 or 191 length is best for me (worried the 191 is too much ski...I am aggressive, but not an advanced skier at this point); and b) I could get a friends Salomon 1080 Guns in 188 for near free, so how do the Mantra and 1080 Gun compare. Thanks...and I appreciate the discussion/help on this site.
If i was you i get the guns for near free, I skied guns for 2 seasons before getting fatter powder skis, The guns are a fun off-piste powder ski that turn very quick in trees and float real well up to about knee plus depth, they are a mid-soft ski that ski groomers well as long as the snow is soft, They HATE real hard/icey conditions but are fun in softer snow, IMO if you are looking for a off-piste ski they are way better then the mantras. The mantras are STIFF and do ski groomers and crud very well, but the guns will blow them away off-piste. If you go mantra go 184 the 191 would be to much ski for you.
Im 6" 185, I skied the 177 black gotamas and thought they ripped in the pow, but were a bit squirly on groomers. Do I stick with the Gotamas and go with a longer ski...183? or go with the Mantras at 177? Is the stiffness a huge factor from 177 to 183 on wither the mantra or gotama?
There is two reasons they felt squirly on you 1) they are twin tips so the tail does not have the bite of a flat tail ski 2) the 177's were to small for you, twin tips ski short, so you sould be on the 183. Imo if you want to keep riding a twintip get the LINE prophet 100 in the 186cm, because of the metal in it, it skis groomers as well the mantra but floats way better in powder. and no there is not a difference in stiffness between the two sizes.
I wish to purchase a Mantra. I do not know which binding to purchase. I was thinking of the Marker Griffon. Now here is the problem. The griffon only has a 90mm or a 110mm brake option. The 90 dousn't fit over the 96mm ski and the 110mm does not fold up out of the way; it will definetly drag in firm conditions. What binding has the correct brake that folds up completely out of the way and will not interfere with the skiing? Please help, thank you.
You could easily get away with the 90mm brake option. In the good ol days, I paid my rent by wrenching away in a ski tuning shop at a Tahoe resort. With only a three millimeter difference on each side of your ski, it would be easy for any shop dude to simply bend the brake arms a bit in order to clear the sidewalls. You'd never notice it. If 100mm brakes is the best option for you, I'd recommend the Dynastar PX 12 Lifter Wide Binding in that price range. Same DIN, 100mm brakes, similar price. Check em out at: http://www.backcountry.com/store/DYN0196/Dynastar-PX-12-Lifter-Wide-Binding.htmlRock and roll!
Anyone have any thoughts on the AC50 vs Mantra? I truly ski all over the mountain; could spend all day in bumps one day and all day in glades the next or ripping groomers....do all skiiing in CO.I am looking at the AC50 (177 or 184) or the Mantra (184 bc I heard they ski short). Skied AC40s last year which had unbelieveable stability and edge hold; pretty good in bumps if technique is fine; BUT definitely felt short in crud and powder. Concerns with the Mantra are bump performance and arcing on groomers given the width.5'11"; 180 lbs; 28 yo; level 8-9.On a K2 Mod X Pro for many years at 193 (i think one of the most underrated skis if you can stay on the gas all day).And I want to give a shout out to my old school Rossi 7XKs at 207.
I have 177 and 184 mantras (with Duke Binding).....205lbs 6'2. I love the mantras...but not sure they would compete with AC50 on ripping groomers...but for crud and off piste...go with the mantras. Not sure either ski would be anyone's choice for bumps.The Mamtra will work in SOFT bumps - think powder day bumps, but when things firm up, you are probably riding a bucking bronco. Other than that, a great choice.
I had my mind set on a pair of Salomon Xwing furys, but just learned about the Mantra. What are people's thoughts comparing the two? I'm 6'2" 215, expert skier who skis in Utah and NM. Truly an all-mountain guy. Don't need a deep-powder ski or one for bumps, just a "one-quiver" stick.
Ski magazine said the mantras were Utah's one ski quiver a few years ago!SKI MAGAZIE-- why would anyone take advice from them they don't even know how to get off the groomers, You sould read powder or freeskier instead. The mantra as utah's one ski quiver LOL I hope you never land switch or ski REALLY deep pow. what a joke!!!!! Why don't you just stap 2- 2x4's on your feet they would be less stiff and you would save yourself nearly 7oo bucks.
As far as I can tell the Mantra seems like a ski that you can really lay down some carves on and can handle speed. But I'm curious how it handles in pow, and weather it can be taken through the park? Also Is it a full twin tip?
The mantra is a STIFF ski that rips on groomers and ice, you could ski pow with it , but is way to stiff as a tru powder ski. don't even get near a park with this. ski, way to stiff, also it only has a slight raised tail not a twin tip. It looks like your really looking at your options, your going different direction looking at this ski. don,t be afraid of the blends or prophets, I ski the bacon's that have a 115 waist and fairly soft and they rip on groomers even when its icey and have no speed limit.Yo should know that this is a great powder ski - and it handles the chop that most powder days become in about an hour great because it is stiff. I use this as a touring and resort ski - so it works great in untracked, but handles a front side powder day just great. Remember, at one time this was a really fat ski!And at one time mercedes benz made great cars, now their rating is about a d+ at best--- the times are a changing and the mantra is being left behind.EDIT: True Benz's aren't what they used to be, but the Mantra still kicks A$$, it is NOT being left behind.
I just ordered the volka mantra skiis 170 for my daughter..a friend who is an expert said this was the ski for her. However, now I think I should have gotten the women's aura for her? is the mantra a mens ski? She is 5'4", 135 lbs, an expert skiier, ex-racer who has raced all over the world, nor-ams etc high school in a racing academy. Going from racing to an all around mountain ski..did I order the wrong ski?
If she is an aggressive skier (as it sounds like) she will be able to rip hard and in more control on these. You made a good choice.The only difference between the two skis is that the Mantra has poplar and the Aura has balsa - hard to tell the difference. You might have gone with a 163 Aura given your daughter's size, but the 170 Mantra will be fine given her ability.
I am interested in a solid tele ski that will handle the steeps of the Selkirks and the crud of Vail. I am wavering between the Volkl Mantra and the G3 Baron. I am expert level and have skied in all sorts of terrain around the world. I am about 5' 9" and 155 lbs. My skiing style is technique over power so I need a ski that will respond to subtleties in technique.Suggestions??
I"m 5'9 130 and a fairly aggressive level 8 skier (or somewhere around there) and I was wondering if I could handle the stiffness of the Mantras in say 170 or 177 with my height and weight?
I have read/heard that specific bindings are needed with the Mantra's although I am unable to locate any additional details. Can you please recommend a few different bindings that would work well with these? (5'10" 175lbs, likely grabbing the 177s or 184s) Thanks, Matt
No you can put any binding you want on this ski, imo-- look or rossi px 14, salomon STH 14 or marker griffins you sould go with a din of at least 14 if you charge, and it has a brake of 100mm.
I'm 6-1, 185. Fairly aggressive skier that prefers Powder but also likes to open it up on groomers when there's no fresh. I ski the Gotama 183 and I love it, but sometimes I feel like i could use a bit more length when I point it and get up to higher speeds. You think I should go all the way up to 191 with these? I went into my local shop and they said they don't even stock that length.
If you would like more stability while sacrificing agility the 191 would work great for your height/weight/ability level.I would add that I am almost exactly your height and weight - 5 lbs lighter - and the 184 never feels unstable. This is a more stable ski than then the Gotama - I believe it has more metal. Going to 191... you might think about just buying a GS ski instead. The resale on a 191 is another consideration - tough to sell that length.
I ride about 50% front side and 50% off-piste. Which do you say might be a better ski, these or the Bridge? I am 5'10", 145lbs if it might make a difference.
The mantra,s work great on piste because of there stiffness but not so good off-piste for the same reason. Because your pretty light they might be to stiff for you, The bridge is fairly stiff too but would work way better off-piste for you yet still carve the groomers. If you sold on volkl skis i suggest looking at the gotoma,s over both of these. They do well on groomers but shine off-piste. Other skis you might look at are armada ARV,s in a 175mm or 185mm if you charge they are softer and way more playful then the others also vct,s in 182 or line prophet 100,s and K2 obsethed,s all fun playful skis that ski groomers well but rip off-piste.
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