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The North Face Paramount Porter Convertible Pant - Women's
Wear The North Face Women's Paramount Porter Convertible Pants on chilly morning hikes, then zip off the lower legs and enjoy the short-shorts once the day warms up. Treated with a DWR finish to provide water-repellency, and armed with super quick drying fabric, the Paramount Porter Convertible Pants keep you comfortable should you get soaked when fording the river. With belt loops and a drawcord waist, The North Face Porter pants give you plenty of adjustment options. The pant legs zip off when temps rise as you hike, or if you prefer to keep your legs on, the cuffs roll up.
Bottom Line: Pull on The North Face Paramount Porter Convertible Pants and adapt to the cold, warm, cold again weather.
These pants can accommodate women with very long legs. I normally wear a minimum 36" inseam in jeans, but the Long here is only 33.5/34". However, there is enough hem that they can easily be let down, re-hemmed, and look great. So, for all you long tall Sallys out there, there is hope!
I am returning these pants because they aren't functional. The pockets are flat to the leg and so there is no room to place anything. The pockets are also in front of the leg and need to be on the sides. Ok if your not hiking....
I'm 5'9" and usually a size 6, but I got size 8 in these and they're just right -- roomy enough to allow freedom of movement and boyfriend thinks they're cute. Zip off shorts are a good length, about halfway to knee. They didn't seem to shrink too much in the dryer after being handed over to laundry service. Where have these pants been my whole life?? Definitely worth the splurge. I've got 2 pairs. This site's easy returns policy made it easy to order different sizes to try.
I had two pairs of these pants that I got in 2004. They were a SIZE 2, LONG and I loved them, but have completely worn them out in the past five years. I was so happy to see that they're still available, so I ordered two pairs again in SIZE 2, LONG. This time the size TWO is HUGE on me and FAR TOO LONG! Why can't sizes stay the same? If Americans are getting bigger and fatter, they should just have to deal with wearing a larger size instead of having manufacturers make larger clothes. I paid $15/pair to have them altered since they're not available in a ZERO. They're still too big, but usable.
These pants are OK...the fit is kind of boxy and awkward on me. The length is barely long enough and the butt and hips are pretty baggy. I am 5'10" 140lbs and wear a 8 for length but the waist on the 6 fits better. There are much better TNF pants out there.
I disagreee with this. I am 5" 11" and weigh 132 lbs. These pants in long are great and I have looong legs! These are the main pants I wear when hiking in cooler temps.
Hi. What's the inseam for size 8 regular and tall? The size chart says regular is 31", but I've read elsewhere -- like on the North Face site -- that it's 32" and that talls are 34". But then I've read reviews here and elsewhere that say the inseam is way too short on the regular pant. So, does anyone know what the deal is?
these are the least flattering North Face pants I own. They're also the only style I own in only one color. Not a bomb, but not my perfect pant, either.
The biggest complaint I have with these pants and pretty much any brand of hiking pants for women are the teeny tiny useless pockets on the thigh. The only pants that I have found lately that have half decent pockets are the cargo pants from North Face and Rei makes a version that has zippers. Show me one pair of pants with these useless pockets on ANY brand made for men.
Fit and function are the two most important things I look for when shopping for outdoor gear. I don't care how cute my butt looks in my hiking pants. If they are a little loose, that's okay. I don't want tight clothing when I'm hiking. I'm short and muscular. It's hard to find pants that are a little roomier in the thigh area. I wear a petite size which was still a bit long but I'm so short I've had to alter most of my pants. The cargo pants made by North face are a bit roomier in the thighs but ride low in the waist. These pants seem to be just right on me as I have a short torso. They fit just below the belly button.
North Face is one of the only outdoor clothing companies that make pants in petite sizes and thankfully, depending on the model, they tend to run on the roomier side. I'm an outdoor photographer so I like clothing with pockets that are functional. The pockets on the thigh need to be longer and wider. I can barely get my hand in them. You can barely fit a small wallet with a few cards and cash in these pockets. In order to remedy that, North face could locate the convertible zippers slightly farther down the thigh closer to the knee.
On the positive side, these pants dry very quickly. I find myself having to kneel or lie down when out in the field. They are not waterproof but they do tend to stay fairly dry even when it's lightly raining. I wouldn't recommend wearing these on cold rainy days, the material is light so they are much more suited for warmer weather. All in all, a great pant but because of the pockets, I only give them 4 stars.
I was very excited to find a manufacturer of LONG hiking pants. I must give North Face credit for that. However, they are still a bit short, have an uncomfortably hight waist, are movement restricting, zippers rub on skin, and sizing is off, so go about 2 sizes up from what you normally wear. A sad ending to a happy-beginning pants story.
I'm wondering about the Asphalt Grey color - it looks so dark on Backcountry.com, but other websites' images of the pants in that color look significantly lighter. Is Backcountry's depiction accurate? Also, are the pants available in the Pumice Gray (in any size other than 10L)? Thanks!
I ordered the pants, and now I'm able to answer my own question... And I wanted to make sure to put it up here in case anyone else is wondering. The asphalt grey IS darker than most other websites depict it to be, but not QUITE as dark as it looks here on Backcountry.com (on the three monitors I've looked at, they look almost black). I personally love it... I'm keeping them for sure!
These pants fit perfect my inseam is a 32 inch and i still have a little extra length. They dry quickly and would like to have another pair but are out in my size 10L. Love the slate grey color.
Okay, I know I'm not the easiest to find a good fit for at 5'3" and 98 lbs., but when I heard these ran small, thought they would be a good bet. I can usually get a size 2 North Face pant to work for me, but these were huge in the waist. Very boyish cut...I prefer more style. Material is rather heavy...good bet for cooler weather.
I've finally found my ideal hiking pants in the Paramount Porters, I've had a pair for just over a year now and put them through everything and they still look pretty new. Material is excellent and stains and dirt just don't seem to stick. They also look great and I've now got three pairs. I had not problem with size changing after washing but then I have never put them in the dryer.
I'm 5 feet 2 inches (157cm), with a 25"(63cm) waist, 31"(79 cm) hips, and 29"(73cm) inseam. I ordered the 2 short and they were still much too long in the length and waist. I solved this fairly easily by using the drawstring waist and/or a belt and rolling up the legs a bit. The shorts do not fall below the knee. The pants are really sturdy--except for some of the belt loops that are made of stretchy material, these fell apart completely after putting a slim belt through them only a few times. I wore these nearly every day for 30 days in East Africa, in 86-95 F (30-35 C), in cities, in the woods and rain forest and jungles. Very easy to change pant leg length. Okay for very light rain but won't keep you dry in anything heavier. They do dry very fast, and resist stains well, for what that's worth. 4/5 stars because the belt loops fell apart, and there is no security pocket on the inside of the pants.
Great fit. Love the material, love the internal drawstring waist AND belt loops, love the length of the shorts. I'm a 34 inseam so I ordered a Regular and Long and ended up keeping the Regular.
Great fit. Love the material, love the internal drawstring waist AND belt loops, love the length of the shorts. I'm a 34 inseam so I ordered a Regular and Long and ended up keeping the Regular.
I brought these pants with me hiking in Costa Rica - they have a lot of versatility, especially with the two lenghts of legs, and they are quickdrying but they are not flexible. Sitting on buses for a long time wearing these pants was uncomfortable. Another plus is that they are not too warm, so great for hiking in warmer climates where there is humidity and bugs.I also wore these on a scramble here in the Rockies the other day. They would be great for lower graded terrain, but we were doing lower 5th class rock that did not require a rope but required me to raise my legs up to reach higher steps. I found the lack of flexibility in the shorts to be really restrictive.I will still wear them, but considering these things, I will not wear them when I can't have any movement constrained. The waist is also a bit high, as it usually is on women's hiking pants, but on this pair it isn't so bad. Again, not that comfortable when sitting, though.I am 5'5", 135 lbs, and bought a size 4.
I ordered the Asphalt Grey in 10Reg & the Pumice Grey in 10Long (when they were available, it was the only size Backcountry.com had them in)... The 10Reg fit PERFECTLY, and I'm keeping the 10Long & hemming them, I like the pants so much! I haven't had a chance to wear them out on a hike yet, but fresh out of the package, I can already tell that they are made really well. The material is super-sturdy compared to other hiking pants I've seen & tried on. I LOVE the fit... and as we all know, it's hard to find flattering hiking pants for women. The waist falls perfectly below my bellybutton, but not too low to be practical. The shorts are a MUCH better length than TNF Horizon convertible pants (the shorts were too long and tight on the bottom on those). I can't wait to wear these out & about on the trails!
I already had a couple pair of these and just got them in another color. I disagree with the other review, for me I had to go a size smaller than the other two pair I had (and no, I didn't lose weight). The pants are durable, wear well and are comfortable. As utility pants go style wise, they are nicer than a lot of others than look like small mens pants. I recommend them for hiking and general travel function.
I bought these one size up like everyone suggested and they fit perfectly! I'm usually a 4 in the north face pants ( 5'8", 125lbs) but ordered the size 6. North Face pants are usually way too short for me too and the length of these are fantastic! They're also pretty stylish for hiking pants, cute fit yet still super comfy for hiking. I'll probably order them in every colour! Bring back the Brazil Nut!!
these are solid pants. i like them best as capris as they are just slightly too short on me. they're also slightly tight in the butt which is not usually an issue for me (5'6", 120lb), but they perform & hold up well and are comfortable. wore them on a 5-day hike at Rainier.
Not my fav of North Face pants- didn't fit like some of the others even though the size was the same- bit tight in the backend ( a problem not normally found with this girl!)
These pants are great! They saw me through a 9-day trip backpacking in Colorado. I wore them about 6 out of the 9 days. They fit fairly true to size. I'm 5'10" and the long 6's fit perfectly.
So i ordered a 6 short, and they were the way too big for me - i think there is no size differences between regular and short - these pants are true to size. They looked really nice and high quality though - I've ordered a size 4 short instead.
I never thought I'd find hiking pants long enough for me. The longs are about a 34 1/2" inseam, and they're fabulous! I usually wear a 2 long (Ann Taylor, J.Crew, Gap, etc), but the 4 long fits best in these. They're slightly loose, but I think that'll be more comfortable for hiking. Also, don't expect a low rise waist. These come up higher than trendy pants and have a more classic fit (curve slightly to the waist and hips - not really a straight fit on me anyway), but they look great and are very comfortable. The shorts have a very flattering length as well.
I bought a pair of these 2 years ago, and they successfully got me through several Eastern European countries along with much of the Middle East. They fit more like jeans and have a great adjustable waist tie. Fabulous. I had to buy 2 new pairs because I just wore the first ones out :)
I have an older pair of NF Paramount Porters (2004), plus another pair of NF pants. Both are Size 4 and fit fine ... but when the new Paramount Porters arrived, the "new" Size 4 was way too big. Returned them for a Size 2, which is still a little big, but the drawcord waist helps keep them in place. Love that they're available in lengths! Size 2 Long are actually a little too long on me - which is better than being too short (5'7", 115 lbs). Very comfortable pants for your next hike. Love the water-resistance and quick-drying fabric.
I first bought 1 pair then expanded my stable to 4 pairs. They fit me right at Reg (I'm 5'5", 140#). They are best at traveling, backpacking since they wear fairly well, dry quickly, and convert to shorts/long pants/capris quickly. My only complaint is that after a while the material does pill and appears worn. But, overall, I'm very happy with these pants and would buy them or the same again
I would say that if you're on the high end of 6 with jcrew to got with a medium but if you fit in that 6 pretty easily shoot for a small. These fit pretty true to size..... and they're really nice convertibles!Hope that helps.
i ordered these pants after trying them on at a store. then i ordered 3 other colors! does that tell you anything? It is hard to find good-looking convertible pants. these are them- a gem in a jungle of others that are so unflattering; people that wear them must not know about these!
I've had mine for a year now and still love them. Wore them camping & backpacking in Western Canada last year and a recent trek to warm and cool places in South America and they looked good day after day of wear. I agree with other reviews - dirt and stains didn't seem to stick, even after a few days. So love to take them when traveling plus my bag is lighter because now I don't pack many pants/shorts. I didn't have any expectations for being water resistant, but hiked in heavy mist to light rain for a couple hours before I felt damp and then they dried fast. I'm 5'2.5" tall and normally wear a 4 Petite or a regular 2 in pants/jeans and fairly proportionate between legs and torso. Based on other reviews, I ordered a size up and got a 6 short and they are perfect. Could be a little smaller thru waist, but the drawstring makes them adjustable. Just barely long enough, but good because they don't drag the ground with sandals or hiking boots. Really like how the waist fits because they fall below my waist, but aren't low-rise. Also lay flat and aren't puffy around the waist or legs like some other convertible pants so I think they are very flattering. Look just as good as shorts as pants too. I don't have much butt, but I don't think I would have wanted them any smaller in that area plus I had room to fit some polartec leggings underneath for a glacier walk. Despite 40mph wind off the glacier & 30F weather, the heavy fabric over my leggings really helped block the wind and I was comfortably warm hiking for a few hours. I have another pair of convertible pants that are a different brand and the zippers on the Paramount Porters work much easier and I like the labels so I can easily tell the right from left when zipping the legs back on. I've dried mine several times without shrinking, but always on low in my home dryer. My only improvement would be to make them a little stretchier as I'm pretty bendy! Shopping for my 2nd pair in a different color...
I wore these on a 6 day backpacking trip. I love how quick drying/easy to wash they were. They also held up very well over the trip, I fell and even tho my skin got bloody the pants barely saw a rip. Highly recommended for hiking/backpacking.
Absolutely love these pants - have had them for over a year, maybe closer to two. No, they aren't the most flattering, slimming pant, but they aren't baggy either. Great for hiking, climbing, biking, and lightweight to boot. The fabric is so light, they don't really stay rolled up too too well, but I manage. I've torn them up, patched them (use a sewing machine otherwise the fabric will rip more), worn them nearly everyday for four months straight while traveling. They're good blocking out wind, not that great for rain, but mine are old, so I forgive them. Bought one size up as people recommended when they first came out. Drawstring comes in handy. I think I'll be buying a new pair soon.
I'm trying to decide what size of these to get. I'm 5'2, 113 lbs, with somewhat short legs. For some reason God gave me a disproportionally large booty. Generally I wear a size 2. Should I get a size 2 or 4?
I went up a size. Normally I wear a size 12, but those looked painted on, so I got a size 14 (ugh!). They're a little loose in the waist, but the tie takes care of it pretty well.
Overall this is a really nice pant. I'm 5'7" about 130# and got an 8 long. The long is a tad too long but the regular was definitely too short. Normally I wear a size 6 in most brands and have several North Face capris in a 6 but I had to go with the 8 for this pant. They are certainly more stylish than many overly baggy hiking pants out there. For just a hiking pant I would prefer something a tad more stylish, stretchy, and slim-fitting through the legs. But as a backpacking pant they are perfect. The little bit of extra room through the legs allows me to layer fleece long johns underneath. I wore them 5 days straight and have no complaints. Loved that they can be rolled up and secured with a button to make cropped pants. These 3-in-1 pants are all you really need to bring.
I found these pants and fell in love! I always have a hard time finding pants because I am only 5'2 and have an inseam of about 29". I was a little worried that the short might be a little too short, but I'm glad I got them. The length is perfect! The only down side is that they grey color was not available in size 6, which might have have fit a little better. The size 4 restricts my movement a little bit, but overall, they're still great.
Just wore these on a backpacking trip and really like them. I like the length since usually convertible pants are too short. My only two complaints are the width around the thighs could be bigger (I even sized up for these and don't have abnormally big thighs) and the velcro on the back pockets is too exposed and roughed up the waist strap to my pack.
I am 5'10" and have a hard time finding pants that are long enough, but these are great. Per other posts, I did order a size larger than I usually wear, and they fit great. I have hiked for several hours in them and love them! Will definitely be buying another pair!
These are great. I bought them for work because they are wash and wear. No ironing needed and the don't shrink in the dryer. I absolutely love them. Will be great for summer shorts also. I have had several people notice them and ask because they look so comfortable.
I'm a petite, muscular 5'5", 115, long torso. These fit me horribly: big in the waist, tight around the things. I've never had pants be too tight around my thighs before! Length was fine, which probably means they run on the short side, as I often have to hem my pants. And they are by no means low-rise. Other than the fit, I love that they're so all-in-one - shorts are a nice length, conversion to capris is a simple, effective button. Fabric is kind of heavy - not for SoCal deserts, better for fall/springs deserts or high altitude summers. It does look sturdy, though.
Thanks for all the comments about these pants being for long legs! I too need at least a 36 inseam in jeans, so based on comments here I went with these pants. When they came they were long enough that they would do but I really wanted them a little longer so I let out the hem and sewed on some double fold bias tape and the pants look great and are plenty long! So for any other really tall girls out there don't hesitate on these pants and do order a size up I did based again on comments here and they fit perfect! The color coded zippers are very handy and the pants are very comfortable!
I was super excited to find some hiking pants that were long enough (ordered longs) and roomy enough to bend and stretch in ..... until I washed and dried them! Now they're tight where the zippers are, tight around the hips and they shrunk about an inch in length. Nope, I didn't wash in hot water or dry them excessively. If you want your paramount porter pants to stay true to size, don't dry them!
Unfortunately the "short" version were just a tad too long causing lots of mud to accumulate during the hike. Also, I bought them a size larger and yet they tend to run small in the thigh area. However, they are light weight and did well in the rain.
I bought my first pair and now I want a pair in every color available. They are awesome for travel, backpacking and just every day. They wash and dry quickly even by hand and do not wrinkle.
For starters, I Love North Face, unfortunately I have to admit these pants in particular are not the best although they do get the job done for a reasonable price. Having the legs remove is a great convience but I found that the short length is a little short for me... I would prefer for them to zip off closer to the knee. Also I ended up having to wear these in the rain and they are NOT waterproof. They may keep off some light moisture but are not match for real rain. I would also like to point out that these run short so if you normally wear a regular inseam buy the long version. Also I felt they run a bit small so order a size up for more comfortable hiking.
These are great pants. I wore them hiking in Switzerland, and it was so convenient to zip the legs off when I got warm. I'd tried some on in a store and noticed they ran small, so I ordered them two sizes too big; one size probably would have been fine, but they were comfortably roomy without looking sloppy.
I'm 5'10" and ordered the tall size, and they were actually too long! But easy to roll up.
I love these pants! I was unable to get the correct length and have them taken up, but they fit so nicely. Great with the drawstring so if it feels roomy in the mornings you use the string and in the afternoon after eating you can let the string out! They are very durable, the mesh pockets are great and nothing stays wet if you slip in the water. I am a pear shaped girl and bought the size 14 and they are fantastic and give a great shape on. The fit great on my butt without looking terrible and feeling uncomfortable. The pockets are awesome, the zip off section is very easy to do while actually hiking, the 3/4 length is great though I wish it had double buttons on each side, so it doesn't hang loosely on one side. Other than that, these pants are great! BEST hiking convertible pants in the market and I plan to wear them to death and then buy more!!!
(I selected a size too big just to be on the safe side since I am located in regional far north queensland, Australia. The US 14 fits very similar to Aus 12)
She is 5'10" 140lbs and has trouble finding pants that are long enough. The long fit her perfect. She loved the straps to turn them into capris. I personally find that the north face material is a bit heavier than it needs to be.
These are great pants, they fit well (thank you, TNF for making women's pants with long lengths!) and are fairly cute for hiking pants. I wish the shorts were shorter, they are still that semi-awkward length that most young women wouldn't wear in public, but are fine for the trail. I wish there were ankle zips to let you take the bottom half off quickly. The DWR is great; I was, uh, testing my gear by spilling a glass of water all over myself and it beaded up, didn't even get to see how quick the quick dry was because nothing soaked through! All in all, a good pair of hiking pants.
Pretty well proportioned for the petite figure. The only convertible pants I've found that fit properly because they were actually designed to fit the shorter person. Not too baggy in the legs or too tapered at the ankle. I'm about 5'3" and chose the short length. It's a bit too long but with shoes on, it looks fine--at least the flare at the bottom begins at the knee where it should. When zipped off, the shorts are a great length both in looks and for hiking and outdoor activities--I rock-climbed in mine. The fabric is fast-drying and of substantial weight. These pants make me happy.
These pants fit and look better than any other split pants I tried and I would recommend them for travel and walks that don't require stepping up and climbing - which is what I do a lot. The problem is with the shorts' length. I am 5'8 and weigh125#s, so my thighs are not big but the bottoms of the shorts with the zippers in them cut across the middle of my thigh when going up hills and climbing over boulders. If the shorts were 1- 2" shorter it may not be a problem. A little bit of stretch in the fabric would be nice too.
I am 5'4" and small. These pants are the the best fitting I have found and the pants legs are long enough to cover the boots. They look great on. I also like the look of the shorts when not using the long pants. I have to take off my boots when converting from long pants to shorts on a hike, but that is the only small problem. It would help if there was a small zipper to aid in going over the boot. But other than that, they are light weight and dry quickly. I just bought a second pair and I highly recommend them.
These pants are very flattering for hiking pants. they have a good rise and are just slightly flared at the bottom making them flattering. On the down side, they have minimal pockets - not even one for my small camera, and the part where the pants zip off the shorts is oddly tight, making them not too comfortable for sitting for long periods of time and large steps. wore them 2 days on the Inca Trail
thankfully, before i ordered them, i went to a local store and tried these pants on. the other reviewers are correct---they are very unflattering and i don't think that they seem as well made as some of the other brands i've now checked into. i thought they looked very "mannish" on me and not exactly as comfortable as what i prefer for hiking. still looking for the perfect convertible pant.....
I bought these pants a size too big because well...that's all they had and I love to procrastinate. They turned out fantastic. I had another pair of North Face convertible pants my exact size but I just ended up wearing these the whole time. I'm 5'10'' and I found the length to be perfect despite what the inseam/sizing chart says. They were a little big in the waist but the inside drawstring took care of that. I would suggest getting them a size bigger to give you more room for climbing. They held up great, didn't show any dirt and after 5 days hiking in Peru were surprisingly not as rank as I thought they'd be. Well done North Face.
These pants are exactly what I was looking for. Comfortable, cute & versatile. I'm 5'1" 120 lbs. I normally wear a size 4short, but ordered 6s for extra room. They fit great. Wish I ordered other colors for my trip to Alaska because they got used almost everyday. highly recommend them
These pants are great. I finally found pants that fit without the annoying elastic waistband that so many other pants have. They do, however, run about a size small. I normally wear a 4 regular but had to get a 6 long in these and then use the tie inside the waistband if I wanted them a bit tighter. My boyfriend said they look great on me and the shorts are the exact right length when the pant leg is zipped off. They are extremely comfortable and the legs zip on and off effortlessly. I rotated out 2 pairs on an 8 day trip to the Galapagos islands and mainland Ecuador from boating to hiking to plane rides and they performed perfectly.
These are great pants!! I ordered a petite as I'm 5'1" and I will still have to hem them as they are several inches too long but they look great as shorts and as pants. Fit true to size for me.
I have 3 pairs of hiking pants (Cabelas, Columbia, REI) that I received as gifts but don't wear because the rise is too long and the fit through the thighs and butt are baggy, unflattering and just uncomfortable. Just because I'm hiking & fishing doesn't mean I don't want to look good! North Face seems to understand this. I have been searching for a more modern, low-rise fit and these are the best I've found so far (not perfect but pretty close). Nice, flat fit in the front and flattering through the butt and hip. The waist could be lower but compared to my other hiking pants, I won't complain. Much more like how my jeans fit. These are stylish & comfortable and as close to sexy as hiking pants are gonna get. I generally wear a size 26/27 or 2/4 in pants and the size 2 in Paramount Porters fit great. Until Seven For All Mankind starts making hiking pants, these are the ones I'll buy.
Love these pants. They are true to size and a great fit. Went Climbing and found them still roomy enough while remaining fitted. They seem to be good quality and I think they will last me a long time. One more thing the 3 way style- long, capri or shorts is another added plus!
fabric drys quick and is very durable, doesn't snag even in heavy burr patches. only draw back as with any convertable pant is that the zipper's do not allow a lot of give in the fabric in the thighs if you are climbing.
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I've had to order size 2 of the North Face women's pants online, always paying S & H, as this size is NEVER available in stores. I didn't know so many outdoorsy women wore size 10 and above! This is so true in most clothing I buy, and I have to shop at high end stores just to find my size, paying more for less fabric. It is very frustrating!
I also noticed that for North Face, there is much variation in waist size in inches amongst the pant sizes for women. A size 4 encompasses about a 3-5 inch variation (baggyness), whereas a size 2 has a less of a variation in inches, thus a better fit. Not everyone that shops is overweight, and it sure would be nice if us small, but proportionate and fit women could find clothes without shopping all over the country.
All this said, I love the paramount porter convertible pant - it is finally a great fit, comfortable, durable, and breathes. Just be more cognizant of the sizes you make available in stores, as it's enough to make me not want to make the trip....
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