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The highly-breathable, four-way stretch Stoic Tour Softshell Pant puts an end to sweltering skin tracks and restricted motion. Stoic’s winter-weight softshell fabric stands up to storms while the 3-D ergonomic fit ensures an effortless, un-inhibited range movement and the Keprotech cuff reinforcements protect the Tour Pant from ski edges, crampons, and nasty rocks. Extremely breathable and ridiculously comfortable, the Tour Pant wants to be your new touring buddy.
Backcountry.com is the exclusive US distributor for Stoic products
Bottom Line: For bluebird tours and socked-in summits.
Is it me or are these the touring version of the BC.com overhangs? Does that mean that they are Polartec Powershield? If so then I'm on board now, 'cause Powershield is second to none and I like having the calf zips as a feature!
similar design and cut to the overhang, but a better fabric than the powershield. the overhang powershield it lighter weight and good for spring summer fall. this tour pant uses a heavy stretch woven material, great for fall winter spring. And as you described a key new feature of zipped cuff, and keprotec ski guard.
I really want to like these, I really do. I like Backcountry.com and their new Stoic line intrigues me...Ill start off saying that buying pants for outdoor adventures (or even jeans/khakis) can sometimes be annoying for me. I'm normally a 34" waist (33 while training hard, 35 while washing down too many burritos with beer) with a 30-32" inseam. But I'm a soccer player so I'm *ahem* more athletic *ahem* in the butt/thighs... This generally means I have to buy size large pants so they fit right in the waist/seat/thighs. But normally a size large is too long for me so I just have to put up with the extra length.
The cut of these pants is weird ~ for me the M is too small and the L is too big. The M feels like a 32"x32" and fit too tight whereas the L's require a belt/suspenders or theyll hang loose on my hips. The L feels like a 36" waist and 32-34" inseam. (I easily can pull them off without unzipping/unbuttoning, they could benefit from some more elastic in the waist). Also these pants are cut long, longer than any other pair of size Large pants that I own. When I wear them with my ski boots or snowboard boots, they bunch like a snowboarder. When I wear 'em with just hiking boots (like I would if I were going snowshoeing) I'm walking all over the heels of the pants.Besides the long length.
My other quibble is the zipper cuff. Great feature, but the flap seems like it won't do much to cover the zipper. It kinda has a flap to cover the zipper, but its only about 3/8" - 1/2" wide and when you stretch the pants over ski/snowboard boots the flap just sticks straight out, exposing the zipper. Ever had a zipper freeze up while you're out on the mountain? I'm curious if that would happen with these. Theres also no wind/weather flap behind the zipper.
I really wanted some softshell pants for skiing/snowshoeing and I really, really wanted to like these but Im afraid Ill have to send em back
They look like great pants. I also have a 34 waist and a 30 inseam for regular clothes. With ski boots the inseam should be fine. the waist and hips are a concern. Thanks for the heads up. I am going to measure before I order.
Is the water resistance is due to DWR or a membrane? I'm suspicious of anything that doesn't have a waterproof rating on it, because "water resistant" generally doesn't mean much.
"Sierra-cement day at Baker" - around here we call that "Cascade Cement" :) I have the Overhang and I can attest to what Jwhitehouse said. I climbed Shuksan this summer (literally attached to Baker ski area mentioned above) and my friends had the H/H Odin Guide pants and the Mountain Hardware Navigation Pant (I think...they change names frequently). I had crappier pants and a true shell. The weather turned on us into a traditional North Cascades suckfest and the only time I was better off then them was when it was squalling. The rest of the time in cold light rain and mist they were fine, and got to carry and worry about one less thing. Experience inspired me to buy the Overhang, and although I haven't had the chance to test them for days on end like that, they have held up to light Cascades precip just fine so far, and that's the "summer" weight version.
How does softshell material really repel water? Check out this article from one of our past Backcountry.com newsletters: http://www.backcountry.com/store/dc/650/Backcountry-Softshell-Jacket-Buyers-Guide.html?cmp_id=EM_SAL1150a3&mv_pc=r105
The softshell used in the Tour Pant falls under the "stretch-woven" category in the article above.
The softshell material we used in the Tour pant is on the very high-end of softshell water repellency when compared to the wide range represented in the outdoor apparel world--i'm speaking from actual experience. I'd take Tour as my only pant for a week-long hut-to-hut tour despite weather conditions--nasty or bluebird, these pants will suffice. I'd wear the Tour for most tours in the Wasatch no matter how nasty the weather, and the same goes for inbounds days. The softshell material isn't optimal for a rainy day at Whislter, or a Sierra-cement day at Baker(they'll saturate and get heavy if you're sitting still on the lift in steady precipitation for long periods), but they'll fend off moisture in sub-40's temps just about as well as a hardshell--especially if you're moving a lot.
And if I could double-capatalize the 'D' in DWR for the Tour Pant I would, because the water-repellent treatment is SO DURABLE.
I dont think there is a membrane most the time soft shells dont (havent seen any that do). There is a DWR and just the material that the shell is made out of make it water resistant.
I just got those on SAC a week ago and tried them on as soon as they got in: Perfect fit and my wife said they're a very good fit. I usually wear 32 size pants and I got a M. They fit perfectly and going with a L would have been way too big for sure, especially that they are stretchable. They seem quite warm for just a softshell due to the micro fleece which is nice for skiing. I just can't wait for the season to start now!!!
I am a snowboarder and it is sometimes difficult to find pants that fit over snowboard boots. Will these stretch to accommodate a size 12 snowboard boot? I would buy the Mediums...
Haven't had a chance to try these out yet, but can comment on the great quality and say that they are damn comfortable -- If it wasn't for the cuffs, I'd probably wear them to bed! The ankle/cuff reinforcements are a nice feature to improve durability -- the material seems very similar to my kevlar kayak spray skirt and could see it holding up very well to abuse. Both the right front and rear pocket have an additional interior pocket -- wouldn't trust putting anything in the front w/o it falling out, but the rear seems like a good place to keep your phone/multi-tool/etc. in place. As others have mentioned, they fit true to size. 32" waist here and the M's fit perfectly.
Only gave 4 stars as I have yet to see these in action so wouldn't feel right giving a perfect 5 and also did notice a few stray threads on some of the stitching. The stitches were in no way flawed, just had some excess hanging off the end so I had to nitpick. Otherwise, couldn't be happier with the purchase!
Since there's still no sizing chart... let's say that theoretically someone had a 33 waist and maybe a 33 inseam. Would either the medium or a large be considered the right proportions for this person?
Just got those on SAC and I think M would be good for ya: I size 32 and am 6'3" tall and M fits me perfectly. They pretty much fit the same as Prana's pants.
i lived in these tour pants for 7 days, toured in them all day, slept in them at night. everything from cold weather and blowing, to sunny and slushy condition down low. i did not even take a pair of 'shell pants'. they have great stretch, so feel great on, and can get over a boot cuff. great weather proofness - wind and snow impervious. and they looked good too, wandering around zermatt i did not look like a ski tron.
One of your posts is BS. http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/Backcountry-Overhang-Pant-Mens/BCC0214M.html Scroll down and you'll see the same picture representing a different pair of pants, which is it?
who the hell is stoic? =) i can't find anything on the net about their products besides BC and explore64. The pants looks great though, how do you think they will do for alpine road biking? They look similar-ly made, to the cutter knickers. from the stitching,zips,buttons pockets and material. Which would be great because those knickers are some of the best there are.
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