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The whole mountain becomes your terrain park when you ride the Scott P4 Alpine Ski. Eclipsed this year only by the massive Stunt, the P4 is the big gun of Scott's backcountry freestyle line, with twin Titanal sheets sandwiching a full wood core. The stiff titanium-aluminum alloy puts serious gnar-charging beef underfoot, but despite its big-mountain capabilities the P4 never feels big or sluggish. Thanks to a nimble sidecut, twin tail, and Scott's early-rising Pro Tip profile, you can take this ski from a straightline chute into tight trees without worry, then rip rock-solid arcs back to the lift on powerful vertical sidewalls. Quick when you need it to be, but battleship stable at speed, the P4 floats through powder, motors through choppy crud, and stomps out big air like a seasoned pro.
Bottom Line: Blast through the backcountry, punish the piste, and send it switch.
My buddies all ski and convinced me to get back into skiing so I bought some Rossi S3's. Not impressed. Then I got some P4's for the pow days. This is an incredible ski. It is so damp that you don't get thrown all over when your busting through chop. Although its a relatively wide underfoot (108mm @ 191cm length), it handles great on groomers and ice, and its been decent for me in the moguls. It really shines in the pow and chop. This skis a little short due to the Pro-Tip geometry so the 191 feels more like a 185 or so.
One of my friend uses this ski as his all-mountain ski because its capable of all types of terrain. To say the least, because of these skis I have spent more days skiing this year than snowboarding.
I am looking for a pair of skis if you have any suggestion let me know. I grew up on skis but broke my leg when i was young so i switched to snowboarding now i want to get back on a pair of skis.Im 19years old 6ft 1in 210lb.
What kind of skiing are you planning on doing (groomers, bumps, powder, trees, park, pipe)? Where will you ski most often (intermountain west, northeast, northwest, coastal, midwest, Canada, Europe)? How agressive of a skier do you think you'll become after re-familiarizing yourself with skiing (did you grow up as a racer or just skiing a couple times a year)? We can't make any recommendations unless you give us information to base that recommendation on.
Got these off SAC in 191s, great flotation on powder days, surprisingly good on the groomers. Twin tips make them ski a bit shorter. I mounted them with center boot over the arrow on the sidewall...seemed to work out pretty well. I still grab the Mantra's for most days, but these are a fun addition to the quiver
Kind of a big mountain, all mountain ski. Not a park ski, not the best on the groomed runs, but rips the pow pretty good I think that is it's strong point, and to me its only strong point.
After spending 3/4 of the winter on 5 different demo skis, a friend put me on his P4's. I was reluctant at first because I didn't want to limit when I could use it because the P4 was a fat ski. I've never been more surprised in my life! This ski rips! It doesn't ski like a big ski at all. Powder, trees, bumps, tight turns etc... I felt like I was 12 years old on my bmx bike ripping down the sidewalk kicking over trashcans! Everywhere I went the P4 shined. Love the 70's Chevy Van topsheet!
I haven't tried this in a tele setup, I'm sure it would be sick though if you can handle the weight. Because of the sandwiched Titanal core it is a little heavier. But its a solid ski. I would say if you plan on skinning extended trip in the backcountry a lighter ski might be a better option. I have some AT bindings mounted on the Scott Punishers which are lighter and have almost as wide tip and tail but they are 90mm underfoot. More of an all mountain type of ski.
I have a pair of super fat powder skis and a pair of park skis but since I bought these last year I never ski anything else. If you are into skiing frontwards and backwards in any conditions on any terrain then these are your ski. The early taper makes the skis super playful and you never have to worry about your edges. The early rise is enough to make you float in pow with out having to deal with reverse camber. They are stiff enough to blast through chopped up terrain but soft enough to do a nose press without having to fight too much. They are really light weight for their size and work great in the park. The width of the ski provides way more stability then the skinny park skis. I would recommend them to anyone.
I got these skis toward the end of last season. I hiked the ridge with them my first run, they were exactly what I was looking for. I had been on a womens powder ski, and as a former racer, they were a bit too soft even for powder. The ski completely changed the way I was getting to the bottom. The Scott P4's have the perfect amount of snap to them, throwing you right into the next turn. These skis, although quite wide, also perform well on groomers if that's the only way to the base. They are very stable at high speeds. Overall they were great in deep powder days on the steeps, groomers and backcountry in June.
Hi, Ive got this ski in a 181. Never had skis mounted before. People seem to say that 1cm back is good, is this from the ' ^ ' mark on the sidewall? Does this mean that the center-point of my ski boot should be positioned at this point? Thanks
Shane, that really doesn't help at all. I've never heard the term "core center" before (and I've mounted LOTS of skis), although "chord center" is a typical term for determining where you'd want to mount your bindings (I refer to http://www.telemarktips.com/BindingMt2.html for excellent information on mounting telemark bindings). And what does "+6 from traditional" mean? +6 what? Centimeters? Inches? Fathoms? And what's traditional?
Update: Wow, paint me pink and call me wrong. I just went to mount my P4s and noticed that the ski is marked "core center." I still have no idea what that means, since I've never heard that term before...so I guess my answer is really a question: What the hell is "core center"? Is it the same as chord center?
When they say one back, it means from core center. That's usually about +6 from traditional. But you definitely should take it to your local shop to get them to do it for you, and just tell them were you want to mount them.
i got a chance to ski this ski for a season and i still think it was one of the best all round semi fat (not over 110) skis i have skied. it is on the soft side, but that doesn't limit it too much. it is at home with powder though it can rip through anything.
I always have to take issue with the idea that any more than 5 mm of exposed base on each side of the skin is acceptable--since "Anonymous" didn't specify a ski length, we don't know how wide the ski is--if he's getting the 191, it's 137 at the widest point, and that leaves 8.5 mm of exposed base on each side of a 120 mm skin. With exposure like that, I find that I get more glideback on steep sidehills, which I find unacceptable. But lots of people don't seem to have this problem with base exposure and seem to think that even 10 mm on each side is OK--perhaps I just need to set a mellower traverse.
Well, right on! The Black Diamond GlideLite Nylon STS Skins in 140mm will be perfect for this ski. Nice set up!You could easily go 120 or 130 mm - Mike
These skis ski just like I want a ski to ski, they are are not to wide they have some give to them and the few cm of a false front makes them very easy to ski in powder what ever the angle. They shine when things get steep and speeds get faster they are very satble and have great power transfer.
They come with a stupid sticker, to indicate the spot to mount the buinding, on then ripi that thing off mine was off kilter so I would be suspect of the others. I had mine mounted 1.5cm foward of the cemter of the boot mark on the ski and have been very happy with this set up, it is not to laied back or to far foward.
I'm 5'11" ,180 lb. expert skier/snow boarder. I am 40 years old and come from a background of skiing in Colorado but have lived in Tahoe for a long while and want a ski that floats in both the heavier pow here and just as good in Alta as well as handles the quick turns in trees, crud, ice, a little of the park and some moguls. The Line Bacon's and Armada's seem to be having delam problems and I'm wondering why none of your staff is acknowledging this in any of the reviews I have read so far. If the P4's are a heavier ski, but the more parky type all mountain skis are delaming (maybe a symptom of weight reduction), then does that mean the Gotama or Motherships(because of their burlier side wall would probably be my best bet(other than the park aspect)? Or is there another ski out there? Have Line and Armada addressed that delam problem? Also, please tell me what are the weights of the different skis I have mentioned or am I totally missing the weight specs somewhere? Thanks!
Oh yeahs...I don't get paid ,but as your sizing parameters go I'm a pro ha ha! I am sick aggressive and like to huck. I need to just go test all these out. What has become of skiing??? We got it easy these days:))
I am very happy with my 191s they are great a high speeds and when it is steep and deep. I like a softer ski that I can smear around. I no complaints here I love em.
The p4 is a well liked twin by a lot of people that does very well on groomers because of its two layers of metal in it, it also floats well in pow because of its width. I am not a big fan of the p4 for a couple of reasons, first it is HEAVY because of the metal, the heavieste in this group of skis, also it seems slugist till you get it going, and the main thing i don,t like is that the tips are stiffer then the tails, great for crud but an odd feel when carving. they ski more like an conventional ski then a twin. I lot of people love them, but im not a fan. i
I just spent the past 5 days on these boards. I brought my old skis along incase I didn't like the P4's on groomers. It took me 3-5 runs to get accustomed to the width, but once I dialed that in... these skis screamed. They smooth out inconsistent conditions, float on powder, land drops soft, and love big lazy turns on groomers. They are much more responsive at speed, but they will negotiate technical terrain at slower speeds as you become more familiar with them. They felt 'stiff' in tight bumps, but that could simply be the time of year (and my poor conditioning). They immediately improved my confidence in 'off-piste' conditions and glade skiing. Great ski.
Mounting questionI've seen everything from +5cm, 0, -1cm, to -2.5cm. Haven't found many answers only other people asking the question. Any thoughts? I plan on riding off piste in Europe- no crazy switch landings, just good powder, steep slopes, and crud.
Just go back a few cm.The reason you are seeing the first number out of place is because the recommended mounting position is something like 6 cm back. I found the core center and put mine 2 cm back from exact center of ski. the plus 5 would be pretty close to that if the person was going from the recommended mounting point.
I'm 5'10", 160lbs and riding the 191s mounted on center...these were my first pair of Scotts (I have a pair of punishers now as well) and I absolutely love them. Stable at speed, blast through crud, burly bases...pretty much everything I look for in a ski. For their size they're very nimble and easy to get around in tight situations. Not recommended for hard pack naturally, but if you find yourself on a groomer they can still arc out some impressive carves.
will these carve up icy days inbounds as well as powder and crud? Looking for something a bit floatier than my g3 baron's, but I wan't something that will also carve like gs on icy days at hunter.i'm 5'9 145 and thinking about 181's.should i try gotama's?
Because of the metal in them they carve ice pretty darn good, but it does come at the expense of extra weight, they are some of the heaviest in this group, another ski to look at close to this size is the line prophet 100, it also has metal in it and carves the ice well but is lighter and quicker, goats are good, but either of these other two are better on ice. 181 would be a good size for you, as p4's ski short.Way too heavy for BC skiing look at this ski http://www.backcountry.com/store/KAH0057/Karhu-Storm-BC-Telemark-Ski.html not as wide under foot but plenty wide. Look at Fritschi bindings.I ski the 181 with Fritschis, and while they are heavy I wouldn't consider them "way too heavy" unless you are talking full-day tours or longer. I can't think of anything lighter in the same width, with the same variable-snow performance. -Wasquatch
Tried these out just for fun after turning in a pair of Czars. They did the job, but especially compared to the Czars they were pretty boring. Wide enough to float on pow, but the weight and stiffness took away from their playfulness. Good news is they rip on the groomers, but who cares?
For willie2272186:I saw in an earlier question you said you chose the Line Sir Francis Bacons over these skis. This is exactly the two pairs of skis I am trying to choose between. Could you possibly elaborate on the differences for me. I am 6'1'' 175 and looking to use these as an A/T setup for backcountry touring and deep resort days. Thanks for the help. Any other reccomendations would also be appreciated.
I choose the bacon's for several reasons, first they are fatter, not just in the waist but the tails are only 3mm smaller then the tips, giving them way more float, the flex on the bacons is soft , smooth, and symetrical, where as the p4 is stiffer in the tips then in the tails, also the bacon's are lighter. But the big reason is that to me the p4 felt like just a conventional ski with a raised tail, and i know alot of people like that in a twin tip, But i come from a strong surfing backround and the bacon's have that floaty, loose surfey feel to them, yet still carve on the groomers. There is no way the bacon's are going to charge as hard in big mountain open areas, but they were not built for that, they are more of a fat playful powder ski. If i had to choose another ski other then bacon's it would be momment bibbys or ep pro,s. and possibly surface live lives 2 .
Great powder ski. Very supple rebound out of deep powder turns, but firm enough to fly down the groomer back to the lift. I considered the 181, but am glad I bought the 191 because the effective edge is really only about 181 cm due to the twin-tip design.
What's your height and weight??? I'm also considering the 181's, but again I think they will be too short for me even though I'm only 5'9" @ 165lbs. Thanks.
These skis are a blast in the deep stuff. And they aren't too bad edge to edge on the groomers either. They would be a blast if they were lighter. I don't tour, but i can't see these being fun to lug around unless its deeeeeeep. I have also had problems with bindings ripping out. I've ripped the heel piece out of both skis. at different times. i believe its the ski. but it could be the binding, i am not a ski tech. Go with the longer versions (181+). The 171's just don't have the stability to blast through chop. (could be my crappy skiing)
Has anyone compared this to the Volkl Gotama?...similar dimensions on the 181cm. I've skied the Gotamas for a few years and am on the fence in terms of getting new pair vs. switching to the p4s.
The p4's are quite a bit heavier then the goats and softer, also they don't hold an edge as well on groomers IMO, About half the people i know who demoed p4's did not like them, but i never heard anyone who did not LOVE the goats, IMO stick with the goats or look at the 4frnt vct or line prophet 100 for similar skis to the goats.I happen to feel that the P4's are stiffer than the Goats throughout the middle yet a tad soft on the tip and tail - mk
Awesome Ski in Powder and Crud!! I am 6'5" and an aggressive skier and found the P4 was able to keep up with everything I through at it and more. Instead of my legs telling me it was time to get off the mountain at the end of the day it was the lifties kicking me off. The only down side to these skis is that the are a bit heavy and for those looking for a ski the could use on a day-to-day basis (such as myself) know that they are big skis. Well done Scott
I'm just getting into backcountry and was (expert former ski racer but never done backcountry) and was looking at the P4 and looks like a good fit for my goals. I'm 5'9" and 160 lbs and can't decide between the 171 and 181. What would you recommend? Also, looking for the right A/T binding to go on the ski. Anything that you would recommend? I'm going to be checking off my computer now and if possible could you email to me at jtodd.anderson@LFG.com? Thanks, Todd
Go with the 181 they have extended tips @ tails ( like line,s early taper ) so the running surface is shorter then you would get in a 181 ski also the tips @ tails rise up quite a bit also taking away running surface. plus they flat out ski short. I was looking at these skis last year but ended up getting line bacons instead because there a lot lighter and fatter and flex was better. The p4,s are stiffer in the tips then the tails which i did not like.
I just grabbed a pair of 191 P4s and I have a question on the mounting point. It seems that the verdict is 1-1.5 cm back from boot center?? Whaddya'll think? Please weigh in. I can't wait to mount these suckers and get out!
Great in the powder or what there is of the early season powder. I havent had a chance to hit up the park on them yet but they should be fun. The only complaint is the long transition time from edge to edge on the groomers. They dont like the bumps either. I was double ejected on the moguls but hey they are my powder skis. Cant wait to hit the steep and deep.
I have owned both along with Head Mojo 105's,I now ski these almost always.The Gotama is now chinese made and the quality was left in Germany. This ski rips and turns better than the head but if you like straightlining try the SuperMojo. I am 6'3",220# and ski 191's in all.
I went from the Gotamas to this ski with the intention of getting on something a little beefier. Success! I am 5'3" 120lb female ex-racer and just like others say, its a GS ski for powder. I have it mounted with a Marker Baron, which makes it a bit stiffer. Its heavy for the backcountry, but once you get your ass up there it shines! At the resort it hooks up great for big turns on the groomers; the elevation of the Baron probably helps. It's not my everyday ski for the resort, as it is not that quick in the tight trees. Nonetheless, it has a decent swing weight, so I get by.
I picked up my P4's last year, never having skied a Scott ski in my life, and was totally blown away. What impressed me off the bat was the way you can really whip them around in tight trees, but then open it up and just hammer through a rough run-out like you're on something much straighter, heavier and stiffer. The fact that they carve groomers better than any fat ski since the 4x4 Big is icing on the cake. The "secret" is the metal sandwich that doesn't go all the way out to the tip or tail; soft ends make them forgiving and super floaty, but the Titanal keeps them stiff underfoot. Think "Gotama with a crust-busting extra high gear" and you have the P4 in a nutshell. I think this is probably one of the single best Western skis currently available, and the only reason you don't see more of them is that Scott has limited distribution in the United States.
these are my favorite skis around, granted I dont go for the super fatties, I like the trees and the steep stuff as well as the big air and these do it all so well. the 191s are big and bad take em for a spin and Im sure you will agree
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